List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Tigerturbulance]

Just checked the port thread to see what they made of the Soldo trade,
this comment from one of them sums up their over whelming feeling

'We've Soldo the farm'


People have been winging on here about nothing happening all week, well

 

[Profop]

Can’t believe Blair and the team have been focussing on this instead of contributing to puff pieces for the website

Sure we got an amazing trade return but it’s at the cost of thousands upon thousands of memberships

 

[tiger_tough]

The funny thing is I don't think there is a huge difference between Sweet and Soldo. Sweet is going to cost them pick 50, Soldo has cost them 2 x 2nd rounders, a 4th rounder and a downgrade of their 3 rounder.

 

[tigs2010]

My god - you guys are easily impressed. How could anyone be stoked to get a future 4th round pick? With priority & compo picks to be added its likely something in the 80's. Most teams have stopped picking at that point anyway - a Future 4th is only going to be useful for us if we expect to be cutting 6 or more players next year

2022 - 4th was last round with only 6 picks & 59 kids selected
2021 - 4th was last round with only 13 picks 65 kids selected,
2020 - 4th was last round with only 8 picks, 59 kids selected

a Port future 4th is no better than our 5th round pick, as they likely go top 4 again

You really will find anything to whinge about. It's incredible.

 

[tigerfan1961]

Loved reading the outrage at the poor deal we got for Soldo, before details had been confirmed, only to find out that we've turned Soldo & 50 into 2024 Freo R2 and Port R4, and 41 & 49 this year.

Had we held him to his contract and he walked as a free agent next year we'd have likely received a single end of R2 pick as compensation.

This is why you back Blair to do his job at trade period he invariably gets good returns on deals where we hold the leverage.

EXACTLY!!! He’s damn good at what he’s employed for. But still not good enough for some people

 

[tiger_tough]

My god - you guys are easily impressed. How could anyone be stoked to get a future 4th round pick? With priority & compo picks to be added its likely something in the 80's. Most teams have stopped picking at that point anyway - a Future 4th is only going to be useful for us if we expect to be cutting 6 or more players next year

2022 - 4th was last round with only 6 picks & 59 kids selected
2021 - 4th was last round with only 13 picks 65 kids selected,
2020 - 4th was last round with only 8 picks, 59 kids selected

a Port future 4th is no better than our 5th round pick, as they likely go top 4 again

The 4th round pick will be going to Hawks as part of the Kosi deal.

 

[Orange crush]

I’m not soldo on the Ivan trade ….

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I think the club will be hell bent on getting enough points in that 2024 draft to make an attractive swap for a late 1st round pick with a club who needs points. Then that should allow us to trade our two first round selections for a key forward. It looks as though our picks this year may end up at around 30 35 and 42 so I would not be shocked if we try to swap one of those for a pick in the 2024 draft to boost our ability to make an offer for a rd 1 pick in that draft.

 

[sawyer]

Honestly feel like we reamed them, an early third pick, upgrade (from 50 to 49), Freo future second which prob will be around 25 and a future 4th, that’s a lot for soldo.. as much as I love him, it’s alot, Freos future second feels like a lot

 

[Drunken Wookie]

My god - you guys are easily impressed. How could anyone be stoked to get a future 4th round pick? With priority & compo picks to be added its likely something in the 80's. Most teams have stopped picking at that point anyway - a Future 4th is only going to be useful for us if we expect to be cutting 6 or more players next year

2022 - 4th was last round with only 6 picks & 59 kids selected
2021 - 4th was last round with only 13 picks 65 kids selected,
2020 - 4th was last round with only 8 picks, 59 kids selected

a Port future 4th is no better than our 5th round pick, as they likely go top 4 again

It's probably the best we could hope for really or he walks next year and we get bupkis. Would've liked 25 but extracting a teams only first round pick is always tough unless we're talking absolute stars involved. CCJ trade was nuts in hindsight.

 

[tigland]

My god - you guys are easily impressed. How could anyone be stoked to get a future 4th round pick? With priority & compo picks to be added its likely something in the 80's. Most teams have stopped picking at that point anyway - a Future 4th is only going to be useful for us if we expect to be cutting 6 or more players next year

2022 - 4th was last round with only 6 picks & 59 kids selected
2021 - 4th was last round with only 13 picks 65 kids selected,
2020 - 4th was last round with only 8 picks, 59 kids selected

a Port future 4th is no better than our 5th round pick, as they likely go top 4 again

yeah should have demanded Rozee and Butters as well

 

[Wooden Robot]

You live in fantasy land mate. Port would never offer those players as part of a trade for Soldo. Total lunacy.

Why not just demand Butters or Rozee too???
Lord was never going to be part of any deal and Duursma is only going one place.
The rest of us understand what went down.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Let’s make this a bit more factually accurate shall we.

Firstly, the Kosi deal hasn’t happened. Not sure why you’re using that as evidence for anything. If they wanted a second round pick and we were prepared to give it the trade would have been done.

I get you want to continually lay the boots in, but maybe wait until it’s actually happened before using it as a basis for any argument.

Second, the Soldo to Port knowledge was known before Trade Period. It didn’t come as any bit of a surprise.

Thirdly, without seeing the full deal for Soldo (main part of Freo F2 or Port’s F2) what else could you possibly get? A player? Players have to agree to come to football club. Geelong asked the question on Lord and got rebuffed. Georgiades just signed a four year deal. Marshall? Why would he agree with Free Agency around the corner and a better pay packet?

So do you hold out for something better that’s unlikely to come along? If the deal meets your requirements why not do it? Port weren’t offering this deal originally with BZT and Ratagolea needing to be moved. Seems as if Duursma to Bombers have unlocked it with a F2 not going to Bombers for BZT.

Hawthorn only want picks for Kosi.

We only had x amount of picks to offer, so they know what we can only offer x,y,z etc.

If we then trade a player asset into 2 picks, then by default we have more picks the hawks believe they can get us to part with for Kosi.

Therefore, the club should have been hell keen to get this deal done early in the trade period & before making a Soldo deal as it strengthened their dealings with Hawthorn to trade at that time. By doing Soldo first, it has only increased the bounty pool the Hawks will target for Kosi.

To confirm for Soldo we got...

Pick 41, 2023

-Dockers F2 / around 33-35

-a pick upgrade from 49 to 50

- a 4th round pick that is likely a amongst the last few picks in the draft

So basically its pick 35 + 41. The 2nd being the Dockers is definitely a better outcome tho.

 

[prodigy]

Can’t believe Blair and the team have been focussing on this instead of contributing to puff pieces for the website

Sure we got an amazing trade return but it’s at the cost of thousands upon thousands of memberships

Yeah because I'm sure that 15 minutes they would have spent on that puff piece would have jeopardised the whole process.
Give me a spell.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Honestly feel like we reamed them, an early third pick, upgrade (from 50 to 49), Freo future second which prob will be around 25 and a future 4th, that’s a lot for soldo.. as much as I love him, it’s alot, Freos future second feels like a lot

Aaaaaaand.... RJK Tiger and maybe one or two others now owe the club a huge apology for decrying Soldo's 3 year contract off the ACL.

 

[TigerPaul71]

Can’t believe Blair and the team have been focussing on this instead of contributing to puff pieces for the website

Sure we got an amazing trade return but it’s at the cost of thousands upon thousands of memberships

Don't be a member then,
you guy's are sook's
we are not winning the premiership next year
we haven't played a lot of kids,
we haven't got many picks.
it all comes in roundabouts
Jesus, what do you expect!!!

 

[Grockadoc]

I'm disappointed to lose Soldo. When Nank inevitably gets injured or suspended, it leaves us bare in the ruck with only Ryan to come in.

 

[TiggerMan22]

To me its less about the return, but more about how much we barely tried to push them harder for more, or use it as leverage to try and demand Ollie Lord from them

Ports 2nd rounder next year could be in the 40's. Pick 41 & 43 for example doesn't sound like a deal i would have accepted for a premiership, 27 year old ruckman who the club had vowed was required and Port don't have the assets for a week ago.

Well, turns out Port did have the assets all along - 2 picks in the 40's, lmao - we look like idiots for saying that now.

I would have taken Duursma or Lord over the future 2nd rounder for sure.

Are you in the trade room? How tf do you know what we asked for? You're literally just seeing media releases, mate.

I highly doubt this was Ports first offer. They wouldn't have started with both those picks, they would've probably tried their hand with just offering #41.
Ports second rounder next year could be in the early #20s. What's your point? This is the risk of trading for futures.

Grundy got traded for #46 and a future 2nd ffs. We got equal value for Soldo as Dees got for Grundy.
Point me to a trade for a ruck a 2nd option ruck that the team got better value for.

It really doesn't matter what you would've taken. Duursma is going to Essendon and Port don't want to lose Lord. I would rather have Butters than a 2nd rounder but thats not how trading works.

 

[Tigerturbulance]

Can’t believe Blair and the team have been focussing on this instead of contributing to puff pieces for the website

Sure we got an amazing trade return but it’s at the cost of thousands upon thousands of memberships

 

[prodigy]

Hawthorn only want picks for Kosi.

We only had x amount of picks to offer, so they know what we can only offer x,y,z etc.

If we then trade a player asset into 2 picks, then by default we have more picks the hawks believe they can get us to part with for Kosi.

Therefore, the club should have been hell keen to get this deal done early in the trade period & before making a Soldo deal as it strengthened their dealings with Hawthorn to trade at that time. By doing Soldo first, it has only increased the bounty pool the Hawks will target for Kosi.

To confirm for Soldo we got...

Pick 41, 2023

-Dockers F2 / around 33-35

-a pick upgrade from 49 to 50

- a 4th round pick that is likely a amongst the last few picks in the draft

So basically its pick 35 + 41. The 2nd being the Dockers is definitely a better outcome tho.

In what world is Dockers future second going to be around 33-35?
Did you mean 23-25?

 

[RJK Tiger]

Why not just demand Butters or Rozee too???
Lord was never going to be part of any deal and Duursma is only going one place.
The rest of us understand what went down.

Duursma went to Essendon, because Essendon convinced him to go to Essendon.

Ollie Lord was targeted by Geelong no less than 6 days ago. Soldo requested a trade 24 hours ago. The club said "you dont have the assets" then accepted the assets. Cuck much?

Should not the club at least ****ing try to get something better ?

 

[Stylo]

Moving on from a 31 year old ruckman for 2 picks in the 40's makes sense - not sure if trading our 27 year old one was though

The prime age for your list to compete is having blokes in the 25-29 year old range. They are considered " peak selling ages" as they bring immediate, low risk results.

just want to point out that Nank will be 29y.o. for majority of the 2024 season - within your own definition of 'prime age' - not sure where you pulled 31 from.

 

[tiger_tough]

Mackie has been holding out for a week and a half for the sake of a future 4th round pick. What a campaigner.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Moving on from a 31 year old ruckman for 2 picks in the 40's makes sense - not sure if trading our 27 year old one was though

The prime age for your list to compete is having blokes in the 25-29 year old range. They are considered " peak selling ages" as they bring immediate, low risk results.

With Soldo out we are now down to just Baker, Bolton, Graham, Hopper, Taranto & Dan Rioli as blokes who will be in that age bracket by Round 1 2024. None of which are bigger bodied players. We are now relying on a pretty battered Lynch & Nank to provide all the big bodied contested & enforcer work, which i think was the main reason the club saw Soldo as so essential. 2 picks in the 40's isn't much of a needle mover.

Add to that the pretty embarrassing "Port don't have the assets for a Soldo deal" comments a week ago ....come on guys, is this the "Tiger of Ol" you remember?

If age is all that matters to you we can go pick up some delisted players in that age bracket.

Soldo was in that bracket but he's not elite.

 

[tigland]

Hawthorn only want picks for Kosi.

We only had x amount of picks to offer, so they know what we can only offer x,y,z etc.

If we then trade a player asset into 2 picks, then by default we have more picks the hawks believe they can get us to part with for Kosi.

Therefore, the club should have been hell keen to get this deal done early in the trade period & before making a Soldo deal as it strengthened their dealings with Hawthorn to trade at that time. By doing Soldo first, it has only increased the bounty pool the Hawks will target for Kosi.

To confirm for Soldo we got...

Pick 41, 2023

-Dockers F2 / around 33-35

-a pick upgrade from 49 to 50

- a 4th round pick that is likely a amongst the last few picks in the draft

So basically its pick 35 + 41. The 2nd being the Dockers is definitely a better outcome tho.

dockers future will be 33-35?