List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

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List Mgmt. - Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[richoatthedisco]

It is all explained earlier in the discussion.

If we are trading these well paid guys out, then obviously it leaves us with a pile of cap space. It makes perfect sense to me to use part of that cap space to get extra value in picks.

Nobody is going to moan about Bolton staying at the club on his current deal. He is worth that and more. But if you get an offer you can't refuse, take it. And if we were offered 7 & 14 for Bolton in a straight swap, but 7, 10 & 14 if we pay some salary, then pay the salary, take the extra pick. At the point we are releasing our best, most valuable and highest paid player then we are rebuilding. So you find every way you can within reason to get picks. Especially when there seems to be a draft full of talent throughout the first round and beyond. Cats paid about $1.6m in salary to get pick 7. So even $400k of Bolton's salary for 4 years should get us an extra pick. And it helps Fremantle. Which hinders any of our main rivals who may be contending.

So if we are going that way, I am all for it. But of course you are not doing anything without getting good value in return, especially when we have the whip hand.

Cats also got Bowes, who is playing first team football for them.

7, 10 and 14 is the opening to negotiations for a superstar on a long contract like Bolton. "Get us pick 2 or 3 ya campaigners, throw in a future first, and a second," is the counter. "You want us to pay some of his contract? Then it's pick 2, pick 10 and a future first. Or **** off and never win a flag you purple losers."

 

[guruisatiger]

I reckon our 2nd if it's first pick of night 2 will become a F1

Hopefully there is a significant slider that slides right through the first round. Someone every club wants.let the bidding war begin
Imagine if pick 21 which will probably be 24 or 25
Becomes a top 12 pick in 2025
Lara cane will be on suicidal watch

 

[Noidnadroj]

24 to 28 is far too old to build around. We need to build around the 21 - 25 year olds as they are the age group that will mostly make up the next crack at the finals. Let's say that we hypothetically nail this draft, it would be 3 years until we start to see consistent fruits.

This may all change however. If next year we have normal levels of injuries and more than 2 players play every game we can start to actually learn and implement a game plan. Then our needs may differ.

Disagree. Elite youngsters are impacting in year one, and certainly in year two. Scheezel won the B&F year one and is dominant again year 2. Wardlaw impacting year 2. McKercher is getting 30+ most weeks in year one. Windsor is doing great things and hasn’t missed a game.

Then from 2022 draft there’s Weddle, Ashcroft, Mackenzie, Michalanney etc…

So if we take let’s say 5 x top-30 picks this year and 3 x top-30 picks next year, we will
get immediate impact from 2 x players in 2025 and another one from 2025 draft to bring to 3 in total by 2026. That’s being conservative.

We are mistaken if we think we need half a dozen elite stars. We don’t. 2-3 is enough.


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[tiger_tough]

I reckon our 2nd if it's first pick of night 2 will become a F1

yeah gotta hold onto that one if possible and see who comes calling

 

[Coach_Required]

yeah gotta hold onto that one if possible and see who comes calling

Hands up if you'd like this season to end tomorrow so we can get into the all-important draft.

 

[tigs2010]

Hands up if you'd like this season to end tomorrow so we can get into the all-important draft.

Absolutely

 

[Bojangles17]

It is all explained earlier in the discussion.

If we are trading these well paid guys out, then obviously it leaves us with a pile of cap space. It makes perfect sense to me to use part of that cap space to get extra value in picks.

Nobody is going to moan about Bolton staying at the club on his current deal. He is worth that and more. But if you get an offer you can't refuse, take it. And if we were offered 7 & 14 for Bolton in a straight swap, but 7, 10 & 14 if we pay some salary, then pay the salary, take the extra pick. At the point we are releasing our best, most valuable and highest paid player then we are rebuilding. So you find every way you can within reason to get picks. Especially when there seems to be a draft full of talent throughout the first round and beyond. Cats paid about $1.6m in salary to get pick 7. So even $400k of Bolton's salary for 4 years should get us an extra pick. And it helps Fremantle. Which hinders any of our main rivals who may be contending.

So if we are going that way, I am all for it. But of course you are not doing anything without getting good value in return, especially when we have the whip hand.

Well there’s only so much currency they have and I’d want that for Bolton regardless ,,,,in any case I’d prefer to keep

 

[SplintWhisky]

Disagree. Elite youngsters are impacting in year one, and certainly in year two. Scheezel won the B&F year one and is dominant again year 2. Wardlaw impacting year 2. McKercher is getting 30+ most weeks in year one. Windsor is doing great things and hasn’t missed a game.

Then from 2022 draft there’s Weddle, Ashcroft, Mackenzie, Michalanney etc…

So if we take let’s say 5 x top-30 picks this year and 3 x top-30 picks next year, we will
get immediate impact from 2 x players in 2025 and another one from 2025 draft to bring to 3 in total by 2026. That’s being conservative.

We are mistaken if we think we need half a dozen elite stars. We don’t. 2-3 is enough.


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We need a star spine. Always think you set yourself up for long success with it. We need 3-4 players who will step in to those open positions of forward and back and 1 or 2 more mids.

 

[tigs2010]

We need a star spine. Always think you set yourself up for long success with it. We need 3-4 players who will step in to those open positions of forward and back and 1 or 2 more mids.

Hopefully Gibcus becomes 1. Pick #1 has to be another.

It's likely going to take 3 drafts to get what the bulk of what we need (06, 07 & 09 did the trick last time). Hopefully it's 3 in a row this time to speed it up a tad.

 

[Karp3_dm]

Hopefully Gibcus becomes 1. Pick #1 has to be another.

It's likely going to take 3 drafts to get what the bulk of what we need (06, 07 & 09 did the trick last time). Hopefully it's 3 in a row this time to speed it up a tad.

What do you think we get for Dan Rioli?

I’m almost certain he’s going Suns.. reckon Cal Toomey knows he’s going too but out of respect won’t say it yet

 

[guruisatiger]

We need a star spine. Always think you set yourself up for long success with it. We need 3-4 players who will step in to those open positions of forward and back and 1 or 2 more mids.

Steel Mac Andrew from the Suns
Steel leek aleer from the giants

 

[tigs2010]

What do you think we get for Dan Rioli?

I’m almost certain he’s going Suns.. reckon Cal Toomey knows he’s going too but out of respect won’t say it yet

Here I was just thinking we will have 1, hope Baker chooses Freo and get 14, 15 from Brissy, 21 & 22 for Graham (if he's going to get $700k) and you drop this bomb on me

Would have to be 8 & 20 but starting to lose a lot of players

 

[richoplzbreed]

BOLTONS MANAGER CAME OUT THE DAY AFTER EDDIE MCSIXCHINS NEPO BABY FORGOT TO DO HIS HOMEWORK AND PULĹED OLD MATE CLICKBATE MCLURES TRICK OF CLAIMING A RICHMOND GUN IS LEAVING. THE CHATTER WAS PARROTTED LAST WEEK BECAUSE CERTAIN TIGERS FANS LOVE TAKING THE BAIT AND FUELLING THE FIRE. BOLTONS MANAGER SHUT IT DOWN A 2ND TIME IN A MATTER OF 6 WEEKS YET 1/3 OF THE HYPTHETICAL TRADE SCENARIOS HERE INVOLVE BOLTON..... WTF DO PEOPLE WANT? HIM TO KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR AND TUCK THEM IN AT NIGHT REASSURING THEM PERSONALLY THAT HE'S STAYING?

FMD BAKER & DAN RIOLI HAVEN'T SAID BOO SO ARE FAIR GAME BUT BOLTON? THERE'S GONNA BE SOME DARK DREARY 100 POINT THUMPINGS ON THE HORIZON AND THE ONLY HIGHLIGHTS WILL BE SEEING IMPROVEMENTS FROM KIDS AND SOME BOLTON MAGIC. DUNNO WHY SO MANY WANT HIM GONE? PLUS HIS MRS IS KNOCKED UP AGAIN SO 50/50 COULD BE ANOTHER BOY

 

[Karp3_dm]

Here I was just thinking we will have 1, hope Baker chooses Freo and get 14, 15 from Brissy, 21 & 22 for Graham (if he's going to get $700k) and you drop this bomb on me

Would have to be 8 & 20 but starting to lose a lot of players

Did you watch gettable? Toomey sneakily mentions Rioli on the sly

Reckon he knows more than he’s letting up

Suns gonna go hard for him no doubt and I reckon he goes.
8 and 20 the minimum we should be asking cos they want him so badly and heavily contracted

 

[docko911]

Here I was just thinking we will have 1, hope Baker chooses Freo and get 14, 15 from Brissy, 21 & 22 for Graham (if he's going to get $700k) and you drop this bomb on me

Would have to be 8 & 20 but starting to lose a lot of players

If we’re going crazy it should be Rioli + 21 for picks 8 & 9.

Picks 20 + 21 = 1790 points which is a higher value than pick 6 so irrespective of where GC and the Dogs finish it is in their interest to give up both their firsts and take a second back. Of course if those picks decrease in value if one or both of them make finals we could look at giving back less or nothing.

Baker then chooses West Coast as expected. Harley Reid chooses Richmond.

We fulfil the prophecy and trade Baker + Pick 1 + Pick 8 + Pick 9 + Pick 15 for Reid + Pick 3 + Pick 23.

We get that round 2 Graham compensation.

Get Reid, gun mid at pick 3 and two more decent players at 22 and 23.

Rebuild completed!

 

[Karp3_dm]

If we’re going crazy it should be Rioli + 21 for picks 8 & 9.

Picks 20 + 21 = 1790 points which is a higher value than pick 6 so irrespective of where GC and the Dogs finish it is in their interest to give up both their firsts and take a second back. Of course if those picks decrease in value if one or both of them make finals we could look at giving back less or nothing.

Baker then chooses West Coast as expected. Harley Reid chooses Richmond.

We fulfil the prophecy and trade Baker + Pick 1 + Pick 8 + Pick 9 + Pick 15 for Reid + Pick 3 + Pick 23.

We get that round 2 Graham compensation.

Get Reid, gun mid at pick 3 and two more decent players at 22 and 23.

Rebuild completed!

 

[voorhees]

Hands up if you'd like this season to end tomorrow so we can get into the all-important draft.

so excited... the draft is going to be our most exciting for some time..
but the trade period will be our porno.
If we can nail it or atleast make a significant dent, then draft day will be the all important c#m shot..
please nail it Richmond!

 

[prodigy]

Damn. I had 7 pages to read and I was already up to yesterday's posts. I thought some big news dropped, I'll never learn.

This thread seriously cooks when we suck.

 

[Bird Man]

Damn. I had 7 pages to read and I was already up to yesterday's posts. I thought some big news dropped, I'll never learn.

This thread seriously cooks when we suck.

 

[tora tora tora]

Cats also got Bowes, who is playing first team football for them.

7, 10 and 14 is the opening to negotiations for a superstar on a long contract like Bolton. "Get us pick 2 or 3 ya campaigners, throw in a future first, and a second," is the counter. "You want us to pay some of his contract? Then it's pick 2, pick 10 and a future first. Or **** off and never win a flag you purple losers."

Suns scenario is an Academy pumping out a lot of young players. They seem to then pay every player a lot. So they end up with Chol, Bowes as overpaid depth.

Suns don't need a player from Geelong, just cap space problem solved.

I think the Giants end up in the same list management problem. Excess talented highly paid players.

Don't think Freo have similar structural cap problems.

Treacy or Amiss'd be handy but, picks, I imagine, from the WA clubs.

 

[THE_GUN]

Mitch Cleary reckons JGTI is worth $650-700k per year as a free agent and that Eagles have some interest.

That'd probably get us a band 3 compo.

I mentioned the eagles as most likely fit for Graham 2 months ago and the waters were muddied with Baker to Eagles
If Baker selects the dorkers then Graham is more likely then

That would most likely be the best scenario for Richmond

 

[tora tora tora]

Steel Mac Andrew from the Suns
Steel leek aleer from the giants

and Cadman

 

[Bojangles17]

We need a star spine. Always think you set yourself up for long success with it. We need 3-4 players who will step in to those open positions of forward and back and 1 or 2 more mids.

They’re the difference makers , in addition to a star mid , we need a Nate caddy type key forward . That’s what gets you to next base on your way back to contending

 

[Bojangles17]

Suns scenario is an Academy pumping out a lot of young players. They seem to then pay every player a lot. So they end up with Chol, Bowes as overpaid depth.

Suns don't need a player from Geelong, just cap space problem solved.

I think the Giants end up in the same list management problem. Excess talented highly paid players.

Don't think Freo have similar structural cap problems.

Treacy or Amiss'd be handy but, picks, I imagine, from the WA clubs.

Zero chance freo would release those key forwards , Erasmus would def be a chance to be thrown into the mix , is he any good ? He gets respectable numbers at state league but so does sonsie and dow

 

[Bojangles17]

so excited... the draft is going to be our most exciting for some time..
but the trade period will be our porno.
If we can nail it or atleast make a significant dent, then draft day will be the all important c#m shot..
please nail it Richmond!

All the bs aside , its pivotal to our next 5years get it right and our journey starts again , the tiger army is holding its breath , nail it tigers