US Election 2020: President Elect Biden and VP Elect Harris

[Chief]

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US Election 2020: President Biden and VP Harris - The Aftermath

Now we have most of the main players confirmed its time to start the thread on this Pence I assume will be Trumps VP - but I will leave the ? until confirmed https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20210120T09&p0=900&msg=Inauguration+2021&font=sanserif

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

The winner of this election is unlikely to survive their term

 

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[Ants]

Democrats caught red handed spying on Trump, redhanded fabricating evidence used it to try remove an elected president, twice. TRUMP shuts down democracy!

You keep saying this, but a lot of it is just patently untrue. Do you really think lying about it will make people believe you? Because it seems to be your go to tactic.

1. The inspector general's report showed that the FBI were justified in starting their inquiries.
2. The FBI was spying on Russians and other foreign agents. The reasons that the Trump campaign became implicated was because of their communications with said parties. There has been no verification of the right's claims that the Trump campaign itself was targeted.
   1. And on that, Obama went to McConnell and wanted to call out Russian interference in the election before the election. McConnell said no. And Obama respected his wishes, not wanting to appear bipartisan ahead of the election. It would be nice if the right were half so willing to follow norms.
3. I assume one of your "removing an elected president, twice" was the Mueller investigation? You know, the one started by Republican, Trump appointed Rosenberg, which was run by Republican FBI agent Mueller, which was whitewashed by Trump's AG Barr, which never even interviewed anyone in the Trump family, and which in terms of convictions and fines was one of the most successful investigations of its type. That one? Could you explain how exactly this was a Democrat action, given they didn't have any role whatsoever?
4. I assume the other one would be the Ukraine impeachment. Exactly what information in that was fabricated? The original evidence for that came from internal inspector general reports, with additional evidence from testimony from within Trump's administration. The reality is, the evidence was so overwhelming that the white house famously decided to bar witnesses attending, and the Republican Senate wasn't willing to hold an impeachment trial or call witnesses. How was that following democracy?

 

[Ants]

Keep supporting this "Have you stopped beating your wife?" level of gutter journalism. Oh hey look, even left wing sources call this behaviour out:

"When Did You Stop Beating Your Wife?"

"When Did You Stop Beating Your Wife?"

www.huffpost.com

Slight problem with that if you read your own article is it refers to where the question implies a false or unproven allegation. Trump's lies are well documented. I would say asking him why he does it so often and so blatantly is a pretty fair question.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Slight problem with that if you read your own article is it refers to where the question implies a false or unproven allegation. Trump's lies are well documented. I would say asking him why he does it so often and so blatantly is a pretty fair question.

Yes indeed, what the world really needs is more dickhead gotcha journalists.

The Guardian send their thanks, 20 cents have been added to your account.

 

[Maggie5]

It took me 30 seconds to find that that the parent company of that website was purchased by a [redacted] linked company in 2016. JFC.

I fully appreciate that many, many people want Trump to lose. I can forgive you for lying to me. Just stop lying to yourself, m8.

I can see why you wouldn't accept such an organisation/media outlet. Too factual for you.

 

[Ants]

Yes indeed, what the world really needs is more dickhead gotcha journalists.

The Guardian send their thanks, 20 cents have been added to your account.

Lol. Firstly, you posted the article. Secondly, it was Huffington Post, not the guardian. Thirdly, you haven't really explained why this isn't a valid question, just brushed it off.

 

[FireKrakouer]

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I can see why you wouldn't accept such an organisation/media outlet. Too factual for you.

The Columbia Journalism Review describes Media Bias/Fact Check as an amateur attempt at categorizing media bias and Van Zandt as an "armchair media analyst." The Poynter Institute notes, "Media Bias/Fact Check is a widely cited source for news stories and even studies about misinformation, despite the fact that its method is in no way scientific." Alexandra Kitty, in a 2018 book on journalism, described MBFC as an apparent "amateur/civic outfit" and wrote that its founder's only qualification was a degree in communications.

Using fake news to fact check fake news, how meta! Where's ole m8 bourbons to defend his favourite 1990s-looking fact checker?

EasternTiger I think we should establish a series of shell company "fact checkers" and "think tanks" so that we too can engage in the great leftist tradition of spreading BS to the great unwashed!

 

[FireKrakouer]

Lol. Firstly, you posted the article. Secondly, it was Huffington Post, not the guardian. Thirdly, you haven't really explained why this isn't a valid question, just brushed it off.

I was talking about your defense of the YouTube clip from Guardian that spurred this conversation.

 

[darrenmorgan]

I was talking about your defense of the YouTube clip from Guardian that spurred this conversation.

is anyone actually disputing that Trump has lied more than any president in history though? we know it as fact; so what exactly is wrong with asking him that question?

 

[Balls In]

Thirdly, you haven't really explained why this isn't a valid question, just brushed it off.

Journalist goes to a white house press briefing and asks the President of the Unites States der - "what about all the lies", Trump "WTF"? Reporter (who by now is shaking with religious zeal) "You lie all the time, 10,000 lies"...

Is not journalism its activism

 

[Ghost Patrol]

is anyone actually disputing that Trump has lied more than any president in history though? we know it as fact; so what exactly is wrong with asking him that question?

FK is a cheaper version of Eddie Mcguire.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Journalist goes to a white house press briefing and asks the President of the Unites States der - "what about all the lies", Trump "WTF"? Reporter (who by now is shaking with religious zeal) "You lie all the time, 10,000 lies"...

Is not journalism its activism

you think journo's should just ignore when the President of the United States lies just because he's russling ... I am too foolish to read the site rules jimmies?

 

[Balls In]

you think journo's should just ignore when the President of the United States lies just because he's russling ... I am too foolish to read the site rules jimmies?

A genuine question would be "Mr President, on issue X, you said Y, and the facts actually say Z how do you respond (ie you lying campaigner)"? Unlike mouth frothing swamp creature who led with "you are a liar!" " Liar!!" "WHY DO YOU LIE!!"? As if the president is going to even countenance that steaming turd.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

A genuine question would be "Mr President, on issue X, you said Y, and the facts actually say Z how do you respond (ie you lying campaigner)"? Unlike mouth frothing swamp creature who led with "you are a liar!" " Liar!!" "WHY DO YOU LIE!!"? As if the president is going to even countenance that steaming turd.

Plenty have asked genuine questions, such as you pose. He usually responds by calling them fake news.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

A genuine question would be "Mr President, on issue X, you said Y, and the facts actually say Z how do you respond (ie you lying campaigner)"? Unlike mouth frothing swamp creature who led with "you are a liar!" " Liar!!" "WHY DO YOU LIE!!"? As if the president is going to even countenance that steaming turd.

when its up to over 10,000 lies, the pattern is more concerning than the specifics

even Nixon didnt lie to the american people as much as your fat orange god

 

[bourbons]

Using fake news to fact check fake news, how meta! Where's ole m8 bourbons to defend his favourite 1990s-looking fact checker?

EasternTiger I think we should establish a series of shell company "fact checkers" and "think tanks" so that we too can engage in the great leftist tradition of spreading BS to the great unwashed!

Here I am, princess!

The fact that they're amateur might have a bearing if they presented themselves as anything but that, or produced ratings that are consistently wrong. Their method and process is all laid out on their methodology page, all seems fairly reasonable. Anyway the proof is in the pudding as they say - I assume you're still yet to find a rating of theirs that's seriously out of whack? Would have thought that'd be easy - ya know, coz they're fake news amateurs. Surely they've gotten heaps wrong

I'll happily incorporate your and Tiger's new venture into my bias and fact checking pantheon once you've established a track record of accurate ratings. And.... go

 

[campbell]

Plenty have asked genuine questions, such as you pose. He usually responds by calling them fake news.

Or you are nasty.

 

[FireKrakouer]

is anyone actually disputing that Trump has lied more than any president in history though? we know it as fact; so what exactly is wrong with asking him that question?

when its up to over 10,000 lies, the pattern is more concerning than the specifics

even Nixon didnt lie to the american people as much as your fat orange god

"But Wapo says he lies one trumptillion times per day!"

What kind of adult just swallows everything they're told by the most biased of sources? Anyone linking Breitbart or Fox here ad nauseum would be rightfully ridiculed, yet insane talking points from Guardian and that Bezos rag get spammed here unironically by people smart enough to know better.

Inb4 "that fact check site that is ran by one dude on his couch with a laptop states that Wapo and Guardian are 110% perfect, and orange man bad."

 

[Crankyhawk]

Exactly my point, he donated to Trump's opposition. Trump isn't exactly admired by the establishment Reagan / McCain / Bush / Rubio warmongering types The timing of the takeover and it's sudden change in trajectory tells the story for anyone not in denial.

Next you'll say that Bernie and Tulsi must be evil because the establishment went after them too. Since when was it considered a bad thing to be despised by the genocidal swamp?

If you are going to disregard everything anyone else says just because it’s from “the establishment “ there’s no hope talking to you in a serious way.

 

[bourbons]

I will give this a proper response later when I have time to dig a bit further, but there's evidence out there of ballots being sent to deceased people or even pets.

Bet ya don't

I fully accept that at least part of the GOPs reason for opposing mail ballots is an unscrupulous attempt at voter suppression, but that does not mean that they don't have a point regarding election integrity too.

What would you say compromises this particular election more? A few anecdotal errors where ballots have been sent to previously registered dead people (and precisely 1 dog), or the locking/removal of multiple post boxes in swing states?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

"But Wapo says he lies one trumptillion times per day!"

What kind of adult just swallows everything they're told by the most biased of sources? Anyone linking Breitbart or Fox here ad nauseum would be rightfully ridiculed, yet insane talking points from Guardian and that Bezos rag get spammed here unironically by people smart enough to know better.

Inb4 "that fact check site that is ran by one dude on his couch with a laptop states that Wapo and Guardian are 110% perfect, and orange man bad."

you are falling back to "fake news!!!"?

even you, the most devote believer in the trump cult is phoning it in now

at least you can still get around Duterte and Bolsonaro and Erdogan and Putin

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What would you say compromises this particular election more? A few anecdotal errors where ballots have been sent to previously registered dead people (and precisely 1 dog), or the locking/removal of multiple post boxes in swing states?

 

[bourbons]

Why are mailed ballots unverified? I look at how Australia handles postal voting and cannot understand why the same doesn’t happen there.

They're not unverified. Balls In has been grabbing his talking points and language from Donnie's twitter as usual.

Blank ballots are simply not mailed out en masse to all and sundry, as Trump would have you believe. And when they're received, in the vast majority of states (44) they're checked via signatures matches.

Trump and his vice president are making a false distinction. Mail-in ballots are cast in the same way as absentee mail ballots, with the same level of scrutiny such as signature verification in many states.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump misleads on mail ballots, virus vaccine

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was a week of relentless attacks by President Donald Trump and his allies on mail-in voting for the November election, and truth took a beating at every turn.

apnews.com

Staggering levels of misinformation around this lately.

 

[Ants]

As has been pointed out elsewhere, the Republicans are happy to encourage mail voting where its their voters.