US Election 2020: President Elect Biden and VP Elect Harris

[Chief]

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US Election 2020: President Biden and VP Harris - The Aftermath

Now we have most of the main players confirmed its time to start the thread on this Pence I assume will be Trumps VP - but I will leave the ? until confirmed https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20210120T09&p0=900&msg=Inauguration+2021&font=sanserif

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[Balls In]

But again, there is zero way Trump is the answer to that problem, and I don’t know why you associate him with your support of Gabbard but dislike AOC, who’s much more in the same wheelhouse as Gabbard.

You have to look past dems vs republican for a second. The US has had a toxic bipartisan foreign policy since Reagan. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama had the west continually emboiled in war in the middle east and oversaw the loss of manufacturing to China at the behest of Wall Street. Trump was the first president to try to break that cabal by withdrawing from the middle east, brokering peace deals and entering a full blown trade war with China which saw manufacturing starting to return to the US.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Using fake news to fact check fake news, how meta! Where's ole m8 bourbons to defend his favourite 1990s-looking fact checker?

EasternTiger I think we should establish a series of shell company "fact checkers" and "think tanks" so that we too can engage in the great leftist tradition of spreading BS to the great unwashed!

Couple of empty vessels = shell company

 

[Crankyhawk]

The issue with AOC is that she's a radical left socialist who's ideology most American centrists will immediately recognise as being very bad for America. Calling Kamala a smart AOC just reinforces that the radical left is in charge of the democrats.

Oh another question do you call Medicare (Australian version) radical left? I think the yanks call it socialism and anathema

 

[EasternTiger]

Personally, I'm quite fed up with the heteronormative behaviour of zebras. It may be time to simply cancel them altogether.

I'm more of a Rhino man myself. You know where you stand with the Rhino.

Zebras are a bit flakey.

What do you think of young Harris mate? She was apparently a tremendous prosecutor, and locked up half the city regardless of whether they were guilty or not.

Maybe her and Biden can knock off the old Lethal Weapon line "We're back, we're bad, you're black, I'm mad" and use it as a campaign slogan.

 

[Maggie5]

Using fake news to fact check fake news, how meta! Where's ole m8 bourbons to defend his favourite 1990s-looking fact checker?

EasternTiger I think we should establish a series of shell company "fact checkers" and "think tanks" so that we too can engage in the great leftist tradition of spreading BS to the great unwashed!

You haven't changed at all.

 

[Poor Form]

Oh another question do you call Medicare (Australian version) radical left? I think the yanks call it socialism and anathema

I think they have no semblance of attempting to emulate our medicare system I believe their idea of medicare for all is very different to ours and our system whilst I would argue the best public health system in the world (far as I've seen) has some structural problems.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Maybe her and Biden can knock off the old Lethal Weapon line "We're back, we're bad, you're black, I'm mad" and use it as a campaign slogan.

The irony of BLM donations being diverted to these two luminaries of modern slavery (prison labour) is off the charts. Defund Kamala!

You haven't changed at all.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

 

[spinynorman]

You have to look past dems vs republican for a second. The US has had a toxic bipartisan foreign policy since Reagan. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama had the west continually emboiled in war in the middle east and oversaw the loss of manufacturing to China at the behest of Wall Street.

I am looking past Democrats vs Republicans, they're two parties overwhelmingly in the pocket of capital, the Democrats only marginally less than Republicans. Trump has not broken that Republican tradition, hence why he's still getting large swathes of support from the billionaire class.

Trump was the first president to try to break that cabal by withdrawing from the middle east, brokering peace deals and entering a full blown trade war with China which saw manufacturing starting to return to the US.

He didn't really though. Trump deserves some credit for firing a warmonger like John Bolton, but deserves criticism for hiring Bolton in the first place. The murder of civilians in Somalia by the American war machine has escalated substantially and the only key industry America perpetually leads in is the killing one, with its unerring support of the genocide the Saudis are committing against Yemenis. That's without even touching on the destabilisation and coups carried out on South and Central American democracies.

AOC wants good paying jobs for ordinary Americans, and is reliably anti-war. She has a degree majoring in international relations and economics, is hated by Wall Street and the political establishment. Why do you dislike her and mock the background bartending (which very clearly puts her outside the regular "election by patronage" cycle), and support a billionaire who is as disconnected from the common people as pretty much any other politician, who you rightfully disdain?

 

[Ants]

They will rightfully characterise Kamala as someone who will say or do whatever progresses her political career. Anything the democrat establishment tells her to. Honestly do your self a favour and watch Tulsi destroy her (and the whole dem establishment) with the exact same line of debate. Should have forever ended her career prospects as President except Bidens nurses parachuted her into the ticket knowing Kamala will take over from Biden soon enough. She's deep swamp.

tulsi gabbard and kamala you tube msnbc - Search Videos

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Um, did you watch the video you posted? How did Tulsi "destroy her"?

But I do like how you are arguing both that Harris is a pawn of the establishment (yourself in the quote above) and a radical left socialist (below). In other words, she's both a moderate and a radical, based on whatever you want to throw at her in the moment.

The issue with AOC is that she's a radical left socialist who's ideology most American centrists will immediately recognise as being very bad for America. Calling Kamala a smart AOC just reinforces that the radical left is in charge of the democrats.

 

[spinynorman]

Um, did you watch the video you posted? How did Tulsi "destroy her"?

It was the major talking point for Harris of that debate and her polling subsequently collapsed and never recovered. She got destroyed.

But I do like how you are arguing both that Harris is a pawn of the establishment (yourself in the quote above) and a radical left socialist (below). In other words, she's both a moderate and a

But agreed.

 

[Ants]

It was the major talking point for Harris of that debate and her polling subsequently collapsed and never recovered. She got destroyed.

But agreed.

Ironic then given the video is titled "Kamala Harris rips Tulsi Gabbard s Fox News appearances".
I've got to say, on that exchange I think Haris won it.

 

[EasternTiger]

The irony of BLM donations being diverted to these two luminaries of modern slavery (prison labour) is off the charts. Defund Kamala!

Top Cop Kamala racked up convictions in the era of mass incarceration.

If Biden/Harris wins it may be worth loading up on companies using prison industrial complex labour.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Indeed.

If you were a Richmond supporter you'd almost be perfect.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Ironic then given the video is titled "Kamala Harris rips Tulsi Gabbard s Fox News appearances".
I've got to say, on that exchange I think Haris won it.

Omg

 

[Ants]

I think they have no semblance of attempting to emulate our medicare system I believe their idea of medicare for all is very different to ours and our system whilst I would argue the best public health system in the world (far as I've seen) has some structural problems.

Out of curiosity, which country do you think has the best public health system in the world?

As to how US M4A compares to Australia's, it depends on exactly who is proposing it since they put up different suggested systems. Some are a bit more left of ours (less private provision), but not too many.

And of course, that would put them to the right of the UK's NHS, the French system, etc. We're much more of a hybrid system than those countries.

 

[bourbons]

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What do you think of young Harris mate? She was apparently a tremendous prosecutor, and locked up half the city regardless of whether they were guilty or not.
...

Certainly screams 'radical left'

 

[The Passenger]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Definitely nothing broken in the US. What's the inside word on Donnie's double ton celebration? He is not far off the nervous 190's.



Inb4

 

[WA ROO]

Arguably the most dangerous leading since Hitler.

Yay hyperbole

 

[Crankyhawk]

Yay hyperbole

Hyperbole is the essence of bigfooty politics

 

[Poor Form]

Out of curiosity, which country do you think has the best public health system in the world?

As to how US M4A compares to Australia's, it depends on exactly who is proposing it since they put up different suggested systems. Some are a bit more left of ours (less private provision), but not too many.

And of course, that would put them to the right of the UK's NHS, the French system, etc. We're much more of a hybrid system than those countries.

Of the ones I understand (to some extent) I think ours is the best, both in terms of delivery and of managing cost. Sure universal free healthcare would be great but we see even here how it gets abused and it can become unsustainable, I think we've struck a very good balance with some room to improve the cost side without compromising the delivery.

I'm a fan of the Greek system also, as I have had some exposure to it pretty much in the middle of their economic woes and the service speed and costs were fantastic even for their lower median income, for us it was peanuts. They have socially funded, business/union funded and private healthcare mix. It's probably quite sustainable in a country that isn't taking only 20% of estimated tax revenue it should be.

 

[Ants]

Of the ones I understand (to some extent) I think ours is the best, both in terms of delivery and of managing cost. Sure universal free healthcare would be great but we see even here how it gets abused and it can become unsustainable, I think we've struck a very good balance with some room to improve the cost side without compromising the delivery.

I'm a fan of the Greek system also, as I have had some exposure to it pretty much in the middle of their economic woes and the service speed and costs were fantastic even for their lower median income, for us it was peanuts. They have socially funded, business/union funded and private healthcare mix. It's probably quite sustainable in a country that isn't taking only 20% of estimated tax revenue it should be.

I don't know the Greek system at all.

On Australia's, I agree ours is amongst the best; I saw a ranking recently which had us in the top 5 internationally. Although I would point out we do have universal free healthcare. Nobody in Australia is required to use the private system, and you're fully covered, although of course we have waiting lists in the public system.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I don't know the Greek system at all.

On Australia's, I agree ours is amongst the best; I saw a ranking recently which had us in the top 5 internationally. Although I would point out we do have universal free healthcare. Nobody in Australia is required to use the private system, and you're fully covered, although of course we have waiting lists in the public system.

Not quite universally free we exclude international students and non residents (appropriately)

 

[bourbons]

Top Cop Kamala racked up convictions in the era of mass incarceration.

If Biden/Harris wins it may be worth loading up on companies using prison industrial complex labour.

More radical leftism!

 

[Bomberboyokay]

 

[Bomberboyokay]

It’s the Trump Administration that has deployed secret police forces to the nation’s streets, bundling peaceful protesters into unmarked cars and detaining people without charge. It is Trump who continues to claim amazing success in the COVID-19 pandemic, despite America leading the world in new infections and deaths. Trump is the one who has funnelled millions into his own businesses and filled his Government with unqualified loyalists prepared to do anything the President wishes.

It’s the Republican Party that has recruited 50,000 election poll watchers, to prevent a wave of voter fraud that the President’s own commission found does not exist. It is America whose GDP is in free-fall and America where up to 23 million families face eviction as early as next month. And it is Trump who has suggested delaying the election, called the process "rigged" and refused to say that he will accept the results.

When these matters happen in distant lands, we often shake our head at what seems incomprehensibly open corruption and political belligerence. Yet this is happening all at the same time, in the nation whose democracy has led the free world for over a century. When viewed in totality, it is clear that America’s democracy is on the brink of collapse and that this November the U.S. faces its most dangerous moment since the Civil War.

In June, the Transition Integrity Project – a bipartisan group of over a hundred political veterans and experts – held "war games" to consider several possible scenarios for November’s election. The group’s assessment determined a 'high degree of likelihood’ that the election will result in legal and political chaos — almost certainly causing widespread protest and bloodshed in the streets.

Trump is doing everything within his power to muddy the waters, pour scorn on the process and deprive voters of their franchise in a naked attempt to retain power. It looks increasingly unlikely that a free and fair election will take place — or that it will produce a result clear enough to be accepted by all.

Trump's America: A ripe example of democracy in decay

Democracy appears to be on the brink of collapse in America, right now.

independentaustralia.net

 

[Maggie5]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Then do me a favour and don't reply to my posts as I can't put you on ignore sadly.