Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Roylion]

You call it abandoning the game, I call it abandoning Fitzroy. No excuses.

Please.

Fitzroy didn't have an on-field presence in any league for 12 years (between 1997-2008) and were effectively in recess, while the club was rebuilt to a position where it could once again field teams. There was an attempt in 1999 to sponsor the Coburg Lions in the VFA-VFL (and for two years Coburg was known as the Coburg-Fitzroy Lions). After Fitzroy's expulsion from the AFL, many Fitzroy supporters did abandon the game and at the very least the AFL. For them there was nothing to follow. Some reluctantly followed other AFL clubs (about 800-odd Fitzroy members / supporters took out a membership of North Melbourne in the years following 1996 and about 3,000 joined the Brisbane Lions in 1997).

So again, the reason why Fitzroy and the WAFL lost support was because they became part of lower tier comps.

The WAFL clubs didn't go into recess for 12 years.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Of coarse the VFL was better everyone knows that, the supporters couldn't wait to join, when I lived over there in the early 80's, every person I met followed a VFL side.

What do you call follow? I follow Man united in the EPL, but I don’t really follow them. More of if I can choose any team to win it would be them.
I grew up in WA abd the WAFL was king. We watched the winners on Sunday night which was 1 hr of highlights of the VFL. I followed Richmond in the 70’s, no idea why. Followed Essendon in the 80’s because Leon Baker played for them. Became an Eagle the day they joined.
I think we had a minor interest in a VFL club at best. You have to remember the VFL grand final was the only game broadcast and radio broadcasts were always turned off at half time in the VFL so they could broadcast the WAFL.
Barrack is probably a better word than follow I think.
How many of all those people you met and you said everyone follow that same VFL side or follow the Eagles or Dockers now?

 

[LoungeLizard]

What do you call follow? I follow Man united in the EPL, but I don’t really follow them. More of if I can choose any team to win it would be them.
I grew up in WA abd the WAFL was king. We watched the winners on Sunday night which was 1 hr of highlights of the VFL. I followed Richmond in the 70’s, no idea why. Followed Essendon in the 80’s because Leon Baker played for them. Became an Eagle the day they joined.
I think we had a minor interest in a VFL club at best. You have to remember the VFL grand final was the only game broadcast and radio broadcasts were always turned off at half time in the VFL so they could broadcast the WAFL.
Barrack is probably a better word than follow I think.
How many of all those people you met and you said everyone follow that same VFL side or follow the Eagles or Dockers now?

I can only go on what they told me, like if I said I followed Collingwood, they would say, "I follow such and such"

The difference being, no-one I knew in Vic followed a WAFL team.

 

[sr36]

If that’s true, then how could anyone deny Vic bias? If it’s still the VFL, then bias is baked into the foundation. I mean, come on, the AFL commission is just the VFL commission renamed. Of course they’re going to be biased. Most of these people and their families support Vic clubs.

It's a league of 18 clubs that started in Victoria with less clubs and has since expanded. These clubs are competing against each other with their biggest rivalries being against their closest neighbour who they're competing against.

It's

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I can only go on what they told me, like if I said I followed Collingwood, they would say, "I follow such and such"

The difference being, no-one I knew in Vic followed a WAFL team.

Yes we all know the VFL was the strongest of the 3 big leagues. And I have no doubt no Vics followed the WAFL or the SANFL.
But like I said it was minor interest. But like supporting you local amateur club interest.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I can only go on what they told me, like if I said I followed Collingwood, they would say, "I follow such and such"

The difference being, no-one I knew in Vic followed a WAFL team.

Let me put it another way. In the 70’s early 80’s which is when I grew up if you asked anyone who they follow in football the answer would be a WAFL club, unless you followed up with another question asking do you follow any club in the VFL then you would not know.
Now I understand that a Victorian living in WA night answer a VFL club.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Yes we all know the VFL was the strongest of the 3 big leagues. And I have no doubt no Vics followed the WAFL or the SANFL.
But like I said it was minor interest. But like supporting you local amateur club interest.

No, I follow my local team 1st, Collingwood 2nd.

I played footy with them, bled for them, I didn't play for Collingwood, it's just a team I support.

 

[Colonial]

It's bias as a by product of A/ the expansion of an original league and B/ The fact that the biggest footy market is vic.

It's not a deliberate conspiracy as some would have you believe.

No conspiracy, it’s bloody blatant with regard to the media

 

[JackOutback]

And how would you achieve that without detriment to the foundation clubs?

So your position is literally if the choice is between disadvantaging a non-Victorian club or a Victorian club, you disadvantage the non-Victorian club. And also want to claim Vicbias isn’t a thing?

 

[LoungeLizard]

The Gifs are back.

 

[sr36]

Can we kick North out of the comp immediately.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Can we kick North out of the comp immediately.

Haha, did the pies army turn up? Should be a guaranteed full house with their supporter base. How many show up?

 

[jannissary]

Can we kick North out of the comp immediately.

/thread

 

[Coolangatta]

Can we kick North out of the comp immediately.

Agreed, can’t even win from 54pts up.

 

[sr36]

No conspiracy, it’s bloody blatant with regard to the media

I don't understand why people include the media in this sort of discussion. Do you think the AFL own or should control the media?

Of course the media focus more on the Vic teams. The companies covering AFL are for profit and the big Vic teams generate more interest in what is far and away the biggest sector of the AFL viewer market.

 

[Colonial]

I don't understand why people include the media in this sort of discussion. Do you think the AFL own or should control the media?

Of course the media focus more on the Vic teams. The companies covering AFL are for profit and the big Vic teams generate more interest in what is far and away the biggest sector of the AFL viewer market.

All part and parcel of the whole story.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I don't understand why people include the media in this sort of discussion. Do you think the AFL own or should control the media?

Of course the media focus more on the Vic teams. The companies covering AFL are for profit and the big Vic teams generate more interest in what is far and away the biggest sector of the AFL viewer market.

Of course the AFL own the media, there is no independent footy media anymore. How do you think that happened? That means the only story the media can tell is the one the AFL want told.

 

[sr36]

Of course the AFL own the media, there is no independent footy media anymore. How do you think that happened? That means the only story the media can tell is the one the AFL want told.

Oh dear. You do think the AFL own the media companies they sell rights to probably also the various footy shows. Just as you think the AFL have the power to just choose to kick clubs out of the comp...

It sums up much of this thread.

 

[Demons09]

Can we kick North out of the comp immediately.

What about the umpires if we expect our footballers to be professionals why aren’t the umps.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Oh dear. You do think the AFL own the media companies they sell rights to probably also the various footy shows. Just as you think the AFL have the power to just choose to kick clubs out of the comp...

It sums up much of this thread.

The AFL have partnered with these companies. They did so upon an agreement that the brand cannot be criticised.
I have never said the AFL have the power to kick clubs out, others may have.
But you seriously have been living in a cave if you believe the football media is independent.
All media staff are simply puppets of AFL house.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Of course the AFL own the media, there is no independent footy media anymore. How do you think that happened? That means the only story the media can tell is the one the AFL want told.

Come on mate, do you really think the AFL tells the media to be biased toward Vic sides?

The media know which side the bread is buttered.

 

[LoungeLizard]

The AFL have partnered with these companies. They did so upon an agreement that the brand cannot be criticised.
I have never said the AFL have the power to kick clubs out, others may have.
But you seriously have been living in a cave if you believe the football media is independent.
All media staff are simply puppets of AFL house.

So by media do you mean TV and Radio?

Because I hardly ever watch footy on TV, the radio is more biased toward non-Vics, so what's the go?

They tell the TV to be Vicbias, then tell radio to be non-Vic bias?

Very confusing.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Come on mate, do you really think the AFL tells the media to be biased toward Vic sides?

The media know which side the bread is buttered.

No I am not saying that, it’s the sane all over the country. The media tell the fans what the AFL want told.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

So by media do you mean TV and Radio?

Because I hardly ever watch footy on TV, the radio is more biased toward non-Vics, so what's the go?

They tell the TV to be Vicbias, then tell radio to be non-Vic bias?

Very confusing.

I have come in on the back of another debate between posters. My point is only that there is no independent media and that the media do what they are told by AFL house.
As for bias I am not saying that at all.
I am saying the media are puppets.

 

[LoungeLizard]

I have come in on the back of another debate between posters. My point is only that there is no independent media and that the media do what they are told by AFL house.
As for bias I am not saying that at all.
I am saying the media are puppets.

Seriously mate, you think 7 pay $2.5billion and then let the AFL tell them what to do?