Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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Europe - Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

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Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

As usual, a stupid response. You would have to be a totally brainwashed fw to discount any threats the Putin regime might make about using nuclear weapons.

There must be something in the water ? A lot to “childish” behaviour on this forum, dunno if you’re chatting to adults or children

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[Sarcoidevo]

How exciting for all those men between 16 and 75 ..... their families must be so happy and proud

 

[Mobbs]

Should have made a deal ala Georgia in mid 2022, Georgia is still sovereign and hasn't been genocided 16 years later

Abkhazia and Adjara disagree with you.

 

[Mobbs]

There are strong indications that Ukraine has taken control over Krasnooktyabr'skiy in the Kursk region right on the Russian side of the border with Ukraine. Needs further confirmation but the preliminary reports look legit and come from both sides.
[Noel Reports]

Note that the two new incursions into Kursk region are not shown to have been connected, per the map in the link. Every source shows mild differences in the territory. Don't assume any of them are spot-on, including this one. "Control" can mean occupation, or it could only mean within close-range fire (technically called "fire control"), Usually, maps are handy, but the reports tell more than the maps. (and even then they have to be verified).
I bleieve Noel make their own maps, but not fully certain.

 

[Zidane98]

Ukraine would not last a minute in this war if not for its NATO/US backers.

I once heard Ukraine would only last 3 days at a time where it has no support.

How did that go for Putin and his gang of murdering / torturing / raping invading fascists?

 

[Zidane98]

Has he run out of Indian & Nepalese workers to kidnap ?

 

[tricknologist]

"He really means it this time! Ignore all of the other red lines that never actually existed!"

Are the vatniks really falling for Putin's empty threats? Putin can't win the escalation ladder and he knows it.

 

[petrie pie]

I think Russia now knows Nato would smoke it. I don't think they knew that before Ukraine. I suspect they thought of Nato as the decadent West, and that none of them had any backbone.

They expected the threat to energy supplies alone to keep the Wests response getting much more than tut tut, naughty Putin. Then Ukraine, starved of equipment supplies and help capitulates quickly.

Then they sit on Poland's borders and begin the job of undermining their government, promoting pro Russian interests, and working in the West to undermine Poland's position in NATO, and public support for interfering in a dispute between Russia and it's client state, Poland.

This war continues now because Putin is stubborn and doesn't know and is not yet seeking, a way out.

They have known for a long time that their initial victory objective is unobtainable, so they have just changed victory objective to something more achievable.



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Mr barracking for Russia man here just answering some of your untruths they are either or you are too stupid to understand them it is Zelenskyy who keeps this war going he is the stubborn man but why change when you making billions from this war.
Russia will destroy nato this what you idiots do not understand they are mobilising more men than the rest of Nato put together they are on a full war footing.They are also churning out 4 times the armaments Nato including the US are producing and the Russians fully understand war after all they beat the Germans if Adolph had not opened a 2nd front we would all be speaking german now because they have beat the rest of us that includes USA.

 

[petrie pie]

Has he run out of Indian & Nepalese workers to kidnap ?

Keep your head in the sand mate, you are frightened really are you not go on you can admit. Turkiye has more men under arms than Nato does their army is 3 times the size of the US army and they look like they are joining BRICS anyway so you will not be able on count on them.

 

[Millky95]

"He really means it this time! Ignore all of the other red lines that never actually existed!"

Are the vatniks really falling for Putin's empty threats? Putin can't win the escalation ladder and he knows it.

I do picture a world where Putin does order a nuke strike on Ukraine for getting too much western aid

Only for the nuke to explode on the launch pad due to corruption and rots neglecting the maintenance of the missiles and sites

 

[petrie pie]

That is because in Russia it is not a war, it is a "miltary operation".

Neither Russia nor Ukraine are places where democratic rights are respected.

Really you can include the EU and the British and just for Zidane the Americans also just look at their medias.

 

[tricknologist]

Mr barracking for Russia man here just answering some of your untruths they are either or you are too stupid to understand them it is Zelenskyy who keeps this war going he is the stubborn man but why change when you making billions from this war.
Russia will destroy nato this what you idiots do not understand they are mobilising more men than the rest of Nato put together they are on a full war footing.They are also churning out 4 times the armaments Nato including the US are producing and the Russians fully understand war after all they beat the Germans if Adolph had not opened a 2nd front we would all be speaking german now because they have beat the rest of us that includes USA.

Go back to bed, Boris

 

[Zidane98]

Go back to bed, Boris

Or have another vodka.

 

[Zidane98]

Keep your head in the sand mate, you are frightened really are you not go on you can admit. Turkiye has more men under arms than Nato does their army is 3 times the size of the US army and they look like they are joining BRICS anyway so you will not be able on count on them.

Hey man you are so right about Turrkiye. Good to know you absolutely support everything that Turkiye does.



I'm so glad you brought up Turkiye as a win for Russia tovarisch.

 

[Zidane98]

I do picture a world where Putin does order a nuke strike on Ukraine for getting too much western aid

Only for the nuke to explode on the launch pad due to corruption and rots neglecting the maintenance of the missiles and sites

It'll explode on launch, level a city and Putin will claim illuminati / NATO agents were responsible afterwards.

 

[Zidane98]

"He really means it this time! Ignore all of the other red lines that never actually existed!"

Are the vatniks really falling for Putin's empty threats? Putin can't win the escalation ladder and he knows it.

Lukashenko will be thrilled when nuclear fallout is carried over Belarus post explosion.

As would the residents of the Independent People's Republics of Belgorod, Kursk & Bryansk.

That will end well for Putin.

 

[Visions]

Putin himself said recently that if NATO and the US were to supply weapons that can strike into the heartland of Russia, this would change fundamentally the character of the war. Here is what he said:

“If this decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct participation of NATO countries, the US and European countries, in the conflict in Ukraine.Their direct participation, of course, significantly changes the very essence, the very nature of the conflict.”

The biggest red line (the 30th or so in succession) was crossed when Western tanks invaded Russia proper in Kursk, and American HIMARS were fired on Russian towns, along with F16 jets firing missiles at Russian locations in Russia itself.

Striking at the heart of Russian imperialism, the biggest slap in the face for the pride of a nation, you would think would illicit the strongest response imaginable. Yet despite the mother country being under attack for the first time since WW2, Putin instead of destroying the world went into hiding instead as far away from Moscow as possible.

The conflict between Ukraine and Russia was triggered by the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO from the very beginning. Since the liquidation of the Soviet Union, the US has been searching out proxy forces to expand its influence in Ukraine as a stepping stone towards destabilising Russia. All the Orange Revolutions peripheral to Russia were backed by the US in order to instal pro-US puppets which would foment ethnic conflicts within Russia itself.

Cool story bro, any evidence to back that up? Or is it just the vibe?

The nations supplying weapons to Ukraine (US and NATO) have not tread carefully in the past. They have ignored every warning of the Putin regime, and crossed every red line.

They have been constantly upping the ante. For example, Biden said at the start of the war that there would be no NATO tanks sent to Ukraine, because that would mean WW3. Since then, he has sent tanks to Ukraine.

As you said, they have crossed every red line and WWIII hasn’t started, because those red lines are absolute BS. Ain’t going to change now.

 

[Zidane98]

It is absolutely telling that all the tankies in this thread instead of criticizing Vlad for his feeble attempts at nuclear blackmail instead take the line "Putin's serious this time - Ukraine and the west should do what he wants".

Anyone but a pro russian useful idiot would be calling Putin and Russia out for their irrational behavior. whenever Putin is losing his war on Ukraine.

 

[Visions]

Reports a few days ago suggested Ukrainians crossed the border at yet another point a long way NW of the current war zone within Russia in the Khomutovka area. Now they are evacuating towns in the area.

Seems the goal is to stretch Russian forces, who need to be sent to try and stop these attacks.

 

[Saint]

Keep your head in the sand mate, you are frightened really are you not go on you can admit. Turkiye has more men under arms than Nato does their army is 3 times the size of the US army and they look like they are joining BRICS anyway so you will not be able on count on them.

Hahaha, BRICS.

China and Russia are fighting over who's currency is most risky. Half (more than) of the Moscow stock exchange is traded in Yuan and the Yuan is staring at a larger abyss than the Ruble.

B, I and S will be abandoning R and C as quickly as possible. Both the R and C economies are in real trouble at the moment.

Russia might be dragged down by China as much as China might be dragged down by Russia.

 

[dumb]

the largest military, with the longest, sharpest sticks and best rocks?

communism means sharing your ak between 2 people

 

[Zidane98]

Hahaha, BRICS.

China and Russia are fighting over who's currency is most risky. Half (more than) of the Moscow stock exchange is traded in Yuan and the Yuan is staring at a larger abyss than the Ruble.

B, I and S will be abandoning R and C as quickly as possible. Both the R and C economies are in real trouble at the moment.

Russia might be dragged down by China as much as China might be dragged down by Russia.

BRICS is a stunning geopolitical success for Russia.


Look at their results in the BRICS games:




Who needs the Olympic games.

 

[Andre]

Mr barracking for Russia man here just answering some of your untruths they are either or you are too stupid to understand them it is Zelenskyy who keeps this war going he is the stubborn man but why change when you making billions from this war.
Russia will destroy nato this what you idiots do not understand they are mobilising more men than the rest of Nato put together they are on a full war footing.They are also churning out 4 times the armaments Nato including the US are producing and the Russians fully understand war after all they beat the Germans if Adolph had not opened a 2nd front we would all be speaking german now because they have beat the rest of us that includes USA.

LOL. Where is Russia opening this second front? Discounting that NATO, if it actually was NATO at war, could put more boots on the ground, with more armour (and of much better quality than the Russians, noting the Ukrainians aren't getting the latest Bradley's or Abrams yet they still smoke the Russians with them), the primary reason NATO would destroy Russia where as Ukraine hasn't is how the two sides fight. Ukraine (by circumstance) like Russia (by design) are heavily land based militaries. Understandable for Russia as it's threats have always come from the surrounding lands.

The US (/NATO) is built around air supremacy. Look at the Gulf War as the best analogy of what a NATO / Russia war would look like. A ground based force versus one who'd control the skies. With the Gulf War back when the US had a handful of stealth bombers and no stealth fighters. NATO would have hundreds of stealth aircraft hitting airfields, ammo dumps, transport hubs, tank factories, oil depots and storage facilities. They'd also ensure their troops have planes overhead whilst Russians don't, a luxury the Ukrainians would pay any cost for. A true Russia / NATO war would destroy Russia's military completely within months, the only reason NATO has any fear of one now in 2024, is Russia's Nukes (and to a lesser extent chemical and biological weapons). That and they don't want to actually put boots on the ground in Russia and a) face fighting in Russian cities and b) be responsible for rebuilding Russia as a country. The US are great at winning wars, but from after the rebuilding post-WW2 absolutely shit at building peace in countries defeated.

 

[Baldur]

Tankies will never change, in 1956 it was "Stalin is alright mate, its us that is evil", in 2024 replace Stalin with Putin. The thing about Tankies is they are self hating losers. This projection of that self hate onto "The Evil West" is their coping method for how pathetic they are.