Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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Behave, people.

 

[barreness]

Another one for barreness

Can you think of a another historical parallel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk

 

[barreness]

Age of Russian army deaths increasing. Can't believe Russia sent guys in their mid 70's to die in the war.

Pretty flat tbh with what looks like variable data, Ukraine army significantly higher as you'd know

https://fortune.com/2024/05/26/ukra...-45-youngest-troops-exempt-front-line-combat/

 

[barreness]

I'd love to see barreness explain why Russia needs military assistance from Belarus...

They're a vassal state? Why wouldn't you use them, strengthens the alliance and adds to your resources

Why did the US need support from us in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan........

 

[barreness]

Couple of things. First, I think they are morally distancing themselves from Russia here.

Making it clear that this incursion is a military manoeuvre between 2 countries at war, and not part of some attempt to permanently claim part of Russia.

For sure

Second, Russians have been fed the line that they have a great mitary, hence, the, we are fighting NATO schtick to explain to it's people why they haven't won yet. But clearly, it's not NATO in Kursk, it isn't even a very large force. There is no real way for Putin to reconcile these things, Russia is mighty, Ukraine is weak, victory is inevitable. Hard to sell if the weak are stiing on 1000+ square Ks of your territory for ontjs on end, and you cannot kick them out.

I mean; Abrams/leapords/bradleys/atacms/F-16s/patriots(? idk maybe different aa), using NATO satellites/reconnaissance, NATO training.
It's all but a NATO attack, with Ukrainian bodies. Probably why it's been rather successful

Third, it's pretty clear the troops they had guarding that border are woefully not up to the job of fighting experienced Ukrainian units. By reports, they are already rushing units there, that are also under strength and probably inadequate.
They will need to move experienced and capable units there, and all of those are in Ukraine.

Yep

My prediction is, they build strong defences, have Russia waste thousands of troops and dozens of bits of hardware throwing themselves at them, then when it looks like it's getting too got, pull out.

Agreed. Was a bold move, Ukraine still losing ground on the established fronts though so risk/reward

And is Russia going to be able to move those forces back to Ukraine? Or are they going to have to stay?

Bad look for Putin if after kicking Ukraine out, he sends his troops back to Ukraine, and Ukraine just crosses the border again.

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That or the last dash, too early to tell

 

[barreness]

Pretty big score by the Ukranians here

Jamming frequencies is a century old tech by this point. They could gain intelligence about which frequencies the Russian's are targeting but I'd bet they've already figured that out by now.

Frequency jamming is just flooding the airwaves with enough junk that the right signal can't get through, the more targeted you can be the less energy you need though. I doubt this changes anything

 

[barreness]

I'm sure barreness would appreciate this one

Pay that lol

 

[Aussie in exile]

More bad news for Comrade Barreness.

Ukraine sets up military office in Russia as incursion grows

The office has been created "on the territories controlled by Ukraine", says its top military chief.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Saint]

They don't have to claim it as Ukrainian territory. Just declare it the independent republic of Kursk and start charging Russian gas companies for all the gas which passes through their pipelines.

They should be tearing the place up, scorched-earth style. It's the only strategic advantage militarily to what they've done. Otherwise they're just dancing around Russia which everyone knows they'll abandon eventually. Unless they start blowing important infrastructure up, there's no reason for the Russians to hurry in forcing them out.

It's not like the Russian Govt cares about displaced (or dead) civilians

 

[Millky95]

Send in untrained soldiers to use as meat shields to slow the Ukrainian advance (and get a lot of unwanted POWs) and keep the main units still taking centimeters of ground in Ukraine

 

[Visions]

Send in untrained soldiers to use as meat shields to slow the Ukrainian advance (and get a lot of unwanted POWs) and keep the main units still taking centimeters of ground in Ukraine

This is what you get. Russia for the first time actually wanting to instigate a prisoner swap.

The terrorist Putin obviously afraid of the conscript mothers.

 

[Visions]

More bad news for Comrade Barreness.

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Not only that but taking the extra steps as well.

 

[Saint]

If Ukraine are going to continue with this path, they need to keep pushing in Russia, perhaps along the border to the south east and threaten the supply lines and potential encirclement, but this would stretch their defensive lines in enemy territory.

 

[Zidane98]

barreness you were right about the war ending at the negotiating table




Lukashenko now asking Putin to negotiate an end to the war.


Should be a pretty straightforward negotation.


Complete withdrawal from Ukranian territory by Russian forces in exchange for complete withdrawal of Ukranian forces from Russian territory. A guarantee by both sides to not attack each other.


Russia to pay reparations determined by the world court.

Everyone's happy, war over.

 

[Jbudds04v2]

barreness you were right about the war ending at the negotiating table




Lukashenko now asking Putin to negotiate an end to the war.


Should be a pretty straightforward negotation.


Complete withdrawal from Ukranian territory by Russian forces in exchange for complete withdrawal of Ukranian forces from Russian territory. A guarantee by both sides to not attack each other.


Russia to pay reparations determined by the world court.

Everyone's happy, war over.

Well apart from all the families that have lost loved ones...

 

[Zidane98]

Well apart from all the families that have lost loved ones...

Good point. War crimes commission determining appropriate compensation is the only thing that can be done for those families although that does not replace their loved ones unfortunately.

 

[Zidane98]

Rare footage of a Ukranian HIMARS being taken out:

 

[Zidane98]

Words can't even begin to describe the genius that Vladimir Putin is.

 

[wannabejack]

During the war, Putin has removed multiple senior military commanders and officials because of his dissatisfaction with their performance.
Is it time for these military commanders and officials to turn on him, especially the military?

 

[Aussie in exile]

During the war, Putin has removed multiple senior military commanders and officials because of his dissatisfaction with their performance.
Is it time for these military commanders and officials to turn on him, especially the military?

This is all about Putiins ego and its all gome horroblt wrong for him
Putin is a classic case of Little man syndrome, Through out history little men have felt they have been given a raw deal because they are little men.

 

[Mobbs]

According to the FreeKherson channel, the RF has reportedly blown both of these bridges in Koronevo.


Full video is here:

 

[Anzacpaul]

During the war, Putin has removed multiple senior military commanders and officials because of his dissatisfaction with their performance.
Is it time for these military commanders and officials to turn on him, especially the military?

My guess is that he pays his private security very very well, and probably doesn't allow weapons anywhere near him.

Otherwise there's no way a general, headed for their doom, wouldn't have done the right thing by now.

 

[Mobbs]

Ukraine released a couple of videos, one is said to capture the first hour of the Kursk operation, and the other focusses on the surrender of Russian forces.
Added both here but they can also be seen on various Telegram channels, eg [Skadovskii]. Both are a bit under 2 minutes and are very impressive propaganda pieces.

View attachment video_2024-08-16_19-00-58.mp4
View attachment video_2024-08-16_19-02-45.mp4

 

[Wce17]

According to the FreeKherson channel, the RF has reportedly blown both of these bridges in Koronevo.
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Full video is here:

Apparently they have bypassed Koronevo & are fighting in Kolychevka. If they have success there’s gonna be an encirclement

 

[wannabejack]

 

[Mobbs]

Talk abounds of another Russian column of reinforcements getting Himarsed en route to Koronevo.