Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:


If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.
 
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What resources does Ukraine have that the US needs? Plenty of gas & coal - not what US needs. Iron ore - the US gets that from Canada and if needed Brazil or even Australia. Oil - US has plenty of trading partners for oil. Russia has much more of it and the US have limited their access to world markets.


I don't see anything in particular resource wise that Ukraine can offer the US.

The most important thing the US wants is stability / peace in Europe. This results in steady oil prices rather than wild variations. That's why it is in the interests of the US for Ukraine to achieve peaceful independence. That, and the US signing a deal to protect Ukraine in exchange for giving up its advanced bomber fleet, cruise/ballistic/nukes to Russia.
Ask Zelensky not me, I’m not the one that offered them up 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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I read the plan. It states Ukraine's partners will assist in protection of its resources. Which makes sense as any peace plan that Ukraine makes cannot possibly involve Russia.

I don't see anything in there saying Ukraine is just going to hand over resources to the US unless I've misread.

If I search the text from here:

Additionally, Ukrainian business leaders are reportedly discussing a proposal to grant Trump “investment screening” powers in Ukraine, allowing him to select who can conduct business in the country

It seems to link back to this article:


Which links to a Financial Times article (archive.is it for access):


Not sure what Jello is referring to
 

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If I search the text from here:



It seems to link back to this article:


Which links to a Financial Times article (archive.is it for access):


Not sure what Jello is referring to

Thanks, that's a very concise analysis.
 
What resources does Ukraine have that the US needs? Plenty of gas & coal - not what US needs. Iron ore - the US gets that from Canada and if needed Brazil or even Australia. Oil - US has plenty of trading partners for oil. Russia has much more of it and the US have limited their access to world markets.


I don't see anything in particular resource wise that Ukraine can offer the US.

The most important thing the US wants is stability / peace in Europe. This results in steady oil prices rather than wild variations. That's why it is in the interests of the US for Ukraine to achieve peaceful independence. That, and the US signing a deal to protect Ukraine in exchange for giving up its advanced bomber fleet, cruise/ballistic/nukes to Russia.
Critical metals
 
Critical metals

Really? Lithium - Australia is the biggest producer. In the top 10 there is also Portugal, United States & Canada.

What critical metals does Ukraine have that either Canada or the US itself cannot provide?
 
Really? Lithium - Australia is the biggest producer. In the top 10 there is also Portugal, United States & Canada.

What critical metals does Ukraine have that either Canada or the US itself cannot provide?
You can easily look this up, Ukraine has the largest deposits in Europe. China currently control this market (look at the AVZ Australian owned mine and what China did in Africa to get control of that!). It’s very strategic for the US to get access to vast quantities of these metals.
 
You can easily look this up, Ukraine has the largest deposits in Europe. China currently control this market (look at the AVZ Australian owned mine and what China did in Africa to get control of that!). It’s very strategic for the US to get access to vast quantities of these metals.

I'm sure it is the biggest in Europe. Being in Europe isn't that helpful to the US. Ukraine isn't anywhere near the top 10 producers of any critical metals either. Canada has vastly more reserves, is an ally of the US and located right next door. Australia of course, but distance is an issue. The US itself also has huge reserves.

In any case the US isn't gaining control over these resources. They would be trading them for goods & services.
 
Wow, so the world will end tomorrow, yet again?

Reckon l will be still be here.



No, thats the problem. Most of the people in the world know their word is full of shit, but the supposedly intelligent community such as our elected politicians still fall for the same shtick, look weak, insipid and bow down to them.

Otherwise we wouldn’t get this “escalation” crap going on.

Also no surprise that these weak insipid political characters are losing their appeal within their own constituencies.
You’re adamant that nothing will happen?

💯 confident ?
 


Soviet era engines now appearing on recently fired Russian cruise missiles. Looks like they're disassembling engines from old cruise missiles to power newly manufactured cruise missiles.

T-55's, WW2 artillery, North Korean soldiers, pensioner recruits, old motors. But yeah, Russia's stockpiles of good weapons are endless, so we (the West) are wasting time supporting Ukraine.
 

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