Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

[Gethelred]

This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:

Europe - Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

This is the thread for the geopolitics, history and framework around the Russia-Ukraine conflict. If you want to discuss the events of the war, head over to this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/war-in-ukraine-thread-4-thread-rules-updated.1376293/page-146

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If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[Zidane98]

China's now getting oil from Iran





Snubbing Russian oil due to uninsureable shadow tanker fleet.

Putin trying to seize bank deposits of $13,300 or greater but is getting push back from Duma representatives. Guess he'll throw out any Duma members from windows that don't support this.


Yet Putin reckons everything is going great.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Don't they have no MiGs left, and probably even fewer MiG parts? Surprised they wouldn't be learning the F-16's

I think Ukraine needs bodies at the front lines. F16 maintenance can be done by NATO contractors.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Top Ukrainian official warns Russia has 'hatred' for foreign fighters like captured Australian Oscar Jenkins

Kyiv warns Russia has 'hatred' for foreign fighters like Oscar Jenkins

Russia has "a deep-seated hatred" of foreign fighters like Oscar Jenkins, a top Ukrainian official has warned, as DFAT investigates reports Vladimir Putin's soldiers have killed the captured Australian.

www.abc.net.au

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

Calling Oscar Jenkins a hero is incredibly stupid

 

[Jbudds04v2]

Calling Oscar Jenkins a hero is incredibly stupid

Why? Is anyone serving in an army a hero? Or are you saying that Oscar Jenkins is a specific case?

 

[Mobbs]

Mobbs is there anything to this that you've heard?

Just similar report - apparently hackers!

On SM-A146P using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

Why? Is anyone serving in an army a hero? Or are you saying that Oscar Jenkins is a specific case?

as a specific case

 

[Mobbs]

Recent footage of a new "shotgun drone". Other sources refer to it as a "Winchester" drone.

I'm not sold that this is in service yet - these could be test runs imo.



I went looking for the original TG post the guy is examining: [Lesia UA Foundation]

 

[Mobbs]

Learning about the North Korean presence in Kursk oblast, from the Ukrainian soldiers who captured a couple of them.

 

[Mobbs]

Ukrainian youtuber responding to the disinformation attempting to paste the California bushfires to a Ukrainian thing.

 

[Couch Coach]

 

[Zidane98]

Recent footage of a new "shotgun drone". Other sources refer to it as a "Winchester" drone.

I'm not sold that this is in service yet - these could be test runs imo.



I went looking for the original TG post the guy is examining: [Lesia UA Foundation]

Wouldn't mind one of these for deer hunting!

 

[Couch Coach]

 

[RonSon]

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Funny, because if you look at her twitter there is a LOT of Ruzzian propaganda.

 

[IlovethePies]

I think Ukraine needs bodies at the front lines. F16 maintenance can be done by NATO contractors.

Yeah, more cannon fodder to sacrifice for oligarchs' profits.
Zelensky agrees, but he is too scared to lower the conscription age because he might be overthrown if he does.

 

[IlovethePies]

UK and France seeking to get troops on the ground in Ukraine, in a "peace keeping" role, after any potential negotiated settlement with Russia.

As if Russia would accept NATO troops on its border, after starting a war to prevent this from happening!!

Such is the desperation now of the NATO powers. They have invested already a huge amount in terms of military spending and training for the Ukrainian army in the war against Russia. They want a return for their investment.

They are panicking because no one knows whether Trump will maintain the same levels of US military aid. He has already threatened to remove it if they don't up their military spending to 5% of GDP (currently it is about 2.5% ).

If the war ends with Ukraine occupying less territory than before, and the Putin government intact, they will have not achieved any of their aims whatsoever.

Therefore they are making insane proposals to get their troops into Ukraine, for the purposes of escalating the war. They are on a path to catastrophe.

 

[Visions]

Now if only Ukraine didn't have to guard the Belarus and Transnistria borders and could move those soldiers elsewhere....

 

[Couch Coach]

 

[Aussie in exile]

UK and France seeking to get troops on the ground in Ukraine, in a "peace keeping" role, after any potential negotiated settlement with Russia.

As if Russia would accept NATO troops on its border, after starting a war to prevent this from happening!!

Such is the desperation now of the NATO powers. They have invested already a huge amount in terms of military spending and training for the Ukrainian army in the war against Russia. They want a return for their investment.

They are panicking because no one knows whether Trump will maintain the same levels of US military aid. He has already threatened to remove it if they don't up their military spending to 5% of GDP (currently it is about 2.5% ).

If the war ends with Ukraine occupying less territory than before, and the Putin government intact, they will have not achieved any of their aims whatsoever.

Therefore they are making insane proposals to get their troops into Ukraine, for the purposes of escalating the war. They are on a path to catastrophe.

They won't be needed if Russian troops return to their own country.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Yeah, more cannon fodder to sacrifice for oligarchs' profits.
Zelensky agrees, but he is too scared to lower the conscription age because he might be overthrown if he does.

Remind me of how many Russian troops Little Legs Putin has sent to Ukraine for cannon and all because he suffers from Little man syndrome.

 

[Zidane98]

UK and France seeking to get troops on the ground in Ukraine, in a "peace keeping" role, after any potential negotiated settlement with Russia.

As if Russia would accept NATO troops on its border, after starting a war to prevent this from happening!!

Such is the desperation now of the NATO powers. They have invested already a huge amount in terms of military spending and training for the Ukrainian army in the war against Russia. They want a return for their investment.

They are panicking because no one knows whether Trump will maintain the same levels of US military aid. He has already threatened to remove it if they don't up their military spending to 5% of GDP (currently it is about 2.5% ).

If the war ends with Ukraine occupying less territory than before, and the Putin government intact, they will have not achieved any of their aims whatsoever.

Therefore they are making insane proposals to get their troops into Ukraine, for the purposes of escalating the war. They are on a path to catastrophe.

This is the time you end your NATO nonsense about Ukraine.


Russia, including your mate Dugin, have always declared they believe Ukraine to be a personal possession of theirs.


Any state or organisation that supports Ukraine's right to peace and independence are the enemy in Russia's view.


This is why your nation's soldiers have been found to systematically torture, mutilate, abuse and murder Ukranians within Ukraine and also within the Russian federation simply because they refused to live under a puppet Russian state that Russia incorrectly believes is theirs.


I also hope you don't have more than $13,000 in your Russian bank account or if you have you've moved the money to a safe spot. Otherwise Putin is emptying those accounts to fund his absolutely delusional fascist attempt at recreating a new Russian empire. Let's call it USSR 2.0 lite.

 

[Zidane98]

Must really annoy iateallthepies when 50 year old technology hand me down F-16 jets are able to shoot down $100 million worth of fascist Russian cruise missiles fired at civilian infrastructure in Ukraine:

 

[Zidane98]

More targets that had to be destroyed because of NATO




I wonder how our Russian apologists will react to these statements made by Tusk

 

[Zidane98]

Funny, because if you look at her twitter there is a LOT of Ruzzian propaganda.

Hey, she is nothing but an Ordinary Russian Citizen.

 

[wannabejack]

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I also hope you don't have more than $13,000 in your Russian bank account or if you have you've moved the money to a safe spot. Otherwise Putin is emptying those accounts to fund his absolutely delusional fascist attempt at recreating a new Russian empire. Let's call it USSR 2.0 lite.

All good. iateallthepies is good with money.
He’s closed his russian account, exchanged his russian rubles for US dollars and opened a Swiss account.