Welcome Welcome to Adelaide: James Peatling - Traded with F3, F4 for F2

[George Kramer]

Yes I did, you mentioned the club not me

lol

 

[Scorpus]

All you need from a ruck is a player that doesn't consistently lose their position.

A guy that doesn't get jumped all over handing the opposition silver service in the midfield, and a guy that can contest marks and/or provide the occasional handball in the chain around the ground.

ROB doesn't badly lose the ruck contests very often. Most often he negates it and comes out even or slightly behind. That's fine.

Some of his around the ground work is bordering on "consistently losing the contest" these days though. He's pretty useless at marking or bringing the ball to ground, especially from kick-outs. Can't use him in a scoring chain unless he's under literally zero pressure.

Not enough to bother spending big capital on improving, but still bad enough that he'd be somewhere in the middle of the to-upgrade list

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

lol

good chat

 

[AFC979810]

Reckon you’re undervaluing all their rucks who were far better than ROB

I don't really think their ruckman were far better than ROB.

Brisbane had Clark Keating. A serviceable ruckman. Definitely on ROB's level.

I will give ya the 2007 - 2011 Geelong Cats as Ottens was very important. However their recent flag - Stanley wasn't anything better than ROB.

Hawthorn - Had Renouf and Campbell early. Then had Hale and McEvoy (as a 2nd Ruck).

Richmond had Nankervis. Meh. Was not top 10 in Richmonds B&F in any of the flag years.

With the exception of Otten (who was really a 2nd ruck / forward) I genuinely dont really think that replacing any of these Ruckman with ROB would have changed the outcome of these teams destiny.

 

[AFC979810]

All you need from a ruck is a player that doesn't consistently lose their position.

A guy that doesn't get jumped all over handing the opposition silver service in the midfield, and a guy that can contest marks and/or provide the occasional handball in the chain around the ground.

ROB doesn't badly lose the ruck contests very often. Most often he negates it and comes out even or slightly behind. That's fine.

Some of his around the ground work is bordering on "consistently losing the contest" these days though. He's pretty useless at marking or bringing the ball to ground, especially from kick-outs. Can't use him in a scoring chain unless he's under literally zero pressure.

Not enough to bother spending big capital on improving, but still bad enough that he'd be somewhere in the middle of the to-upgrade list

I think this is one of the first times we agree. Cheers to you Scorpus.

 

[AFC979810]

Reckon you’re undervaluing all their rucks who were far better than ROB

And further to this. Just did a quick google - to get thoughts of external peoples views of ROB.

Who is the AFL's best big man? Young guns lead challenge

The top 10 ruckmen in the game

www.nine.com.au

Ranking the top 10 ruckmen of the 2023 AFL season

We're up to the big men of the game, with some breakout seasons shaking up the top few names.

www.zerohanger.com

The AFL's most efficient ruckmen of 2024 revealed

Some of this year’s leading big men could shape the finals race. Here’s why👇

www.zerohanger.com

2024 SI AFL Player Ratings | Player Rankings

Get ahead of the game with Stats Insider's 2024 AFL Player Ratings. Discover comprehensive player rankings and stats to inform your footy predictions.

www.statsinsider.com.au

A whole lot of press and stats and external articles suggesting ROB is nowhere as bad as you think he is....

He isn't a great ruckman, but he is a perfectly adequate AFL standard ruckman.

 

[Mutineer]

Pity we don't have rookie spot open where I think the ideal spot is for a developing young ruck.

Flynn Penry would have been the ideal rookie ruckman for us in this draft, every chance he goes undrafted due to his injury forced late start to the season and only the one appearance for VC at the Nationals this year. Really got motoring late in the season for Geelong Grammar in the APS system and for the GWV Rebels including a very good CTL finals series.

I suspect Flynn will be offered another year at the GWV Rebels as an overager if he goes undrafted similar to a couple of former "handy" Rebels ruck prospects Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

28

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

and Lloyd Meek....now both established AFL lead rucks. If as I anticipate Flynn has a good preseason staying injury free he could set the CTL on fire and be a leading 2025 MSD prospect like quite a few rucks before him.

 

[Mutineer]

And further to this. Just did a quick google - to get thoughts of external peoples views of ROB.

Who is the AFL's best big man? Young guns lead challenge

The top 10 ruckmen in the game

www.nine.com.au

Ranking the top 10 ruckmen of the 2023 AFL season

We're up to the big men of the game, with some breakout seasons shaking up the top few names.

www.zerohanger.com

The AFL's most efficient ruckmen of 2024 revealed

Some of this year’s leading big men could shape the finals race. Here’s why👇

www.zerohanger.com

2024 SI AFL Player Ratings | Player Rankings

Get ahead of the game with Stats Insider's 2024 AFL Player Ratings. Discover comprehensive player rankings and stats to inform your footy predictions.

www.statsinsider.com.au

A whole lot of press and stats and external articles suggesting ROB is nowhere as bad as you think he is....

He isn't a great ruckman, but he is a perfectly adequate AFL standard ruckman.

We do need better back up than Strachan but who just doesn't have the endurance after years and years of preseasons with us.

 

[ams4crows]

So Peatling! Will be good addition, I like his leg tatts!


Can we maybe take the ruck and list spots discussion some place else, please?

 

[George Kramer]

I don't really think their ruckman were far better than ROB.

Brisbane had Clark Keating. A serviceable ruckman. Definitely on ROB's level.

I will give ya the 2007 - 2011 Geelong Cats as Ottens was very important. However their recent flag - Stanley wasn't anything better than ROB.

Hawthorn - Had Renouf and Campbell early. Then had Hale and McEvoy (as a 2nd Ruck).

Richmond had Nankervis. Meh. Was not top 10 in Richmonds B&F in any of the flag years.

With the exception of Otten (who was really a 2nd ruck / forward) I genuinely dont really think that replacing any of these Ruckman with ROB would have changed the outcome of these teams destiny.

We agree to disagree then because I rate them all better than ROB, but I can’t remember Campbell and think you’re undervaluing Keating and Nankervis.

 

[George Kramer]

And further to this. Just did a quick google - to get thoughts of external peoples views of ROB.

Who is the AFL's best big man? Young guns lead challenge

The top 10 ruckmen in the game

www.nine.com.au

Ranking the top 10 ruckmen of the 2023 AFL season

We're up to the big men of the game, with some breakout seasons shaking up the top few names.

www.zerohanger.com

The AFL's most efficient ruckmen of 2024 revealed

Some of this year’s leading big men could shape the finals race. Here’s why👇

www.zerohanger.com

2024 SI AFL Player Ratings | Player Rankings

Get ahead of the game with Stats Insider's 2024 AFL Player Ratings. Discover comprehensive player rankings and stats to inform your footy predictions.

www.statsinsider.com.au

A whole lot of press and stats and external articles suggesting ROB is nowhere as bad as you think he is....

He isn't a great ruckman, but he is a perfectly adequate AFL standard ruckman.

Just one who gets dropped annually, imagine if we had a suitable replacement, we wouldn’t have played ROB anywhere near as much

 

[AFC979810]

We do need better back up than Strachan but who just doesn't have the endurance after years and years of preseasons with us.

I slightly disagree. Don't think he is a world beater, but dont think he has been given a fair crack.

I think this board is a little hard on Strachan. Only 7 games of AFL. I remember he showed a bit against Ryder at St Kilda in 2021 or 2022 (can't remember).

Bloke was absolutely crucified for his performances against Nank and Grundy.

Either way not too fussed. Don't think we are challenging for a flag in 2025 - and if magically do it wont be because our ruck game is strong.

 

[AFC979810]

Just one who gets dropped annually, imagine if we had a suitable replacement, we wouldn’t have played ROB anywhere near as much

It just shows how bad the other ruckman are.

We agree to disagree then because I rate them all better than ROB, but I can’t remember Campbell and think you’re undervaluing Keating and Nankervis.

I remember after winning the flag - Dimma tried Nankervis as a forward because he thought Soldo and another ruckman (I am forgetting which one) were better options.

You probably dont remember Campbell because he was so shit.

And honestly - Clark Keatinge was average at best. ROB is a far better ruckman.

 

[jackster83]

We do need better back up than Strachan but who just doesn't have the endurance after years and years of preseasons with us.

The club disagrees. They are perfectly happy with Strachan.

 

[Mutineer]

The club disagrees. They are perfectly happy with Strachan.

I seriously doubt that, didn't take to long for them to bin that experiment again....get back to me if he gets an extension beyond 2025 when he's out of contract again.

 

[FR0GGY]

Many on this board disagree.

The dynasty teams of Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn and Richmond all agree - Just get an AFL capable ruckman and build up the more important positions.

We calling clark keating and Brad ottens mediocre?
Edit just seen you’ve covered them.

 

[AFC979810]

I seriously doubt that, didn't take to long for them to bin that experiment again....get back to me if he gets an extension beyond 2025 when he's out of contract again.

In fairness to Jackster - the club is perfectly happy with Strachan. If they weren't they would have sorted it this offseason.

Actions speak louder than words. If ROB goes down our options are Strachan or TMurray until the midseason draft.

 

[AFC979810]

We calling clark keating and Brad ottens mediocre?

Clark Keating absolutely. You think Clark Keating was a great ruckman? Didnt sniff the top 10 of Brisbanes B&F during that 4 year stretch of Brisbane's dominance. Keating had 3 seasons in his entire career where he played more than 15 games and only one of those was a premiership season.

Keating was an average plodder. Good enough to be in the top half of AFL ruckman (like ROB) and nothing more.

Brad Ottens definitely not. But he was also a 2nd Ruckman and played a chunk of his time up forward. In 2007 he kicked 21 goals, 16 behinds. He is the one exception to the dynasty rule. The rest - ROB stacks up against.

 

[Mutineer]

In fairness to Jackster - the club is perfectly happy with Strachan. If they weren't they would have sorted it this offseason.

Actions speak louder than words. If ROB goes down our options are Strachan or TMurray until the midseason draft.

Given he was contracted would have left them only one option....pay him out. Happy maybe not quite the right word.

 

[AFC979810]

Given he was contracted would have left them only one option....pay him out. Happy maybe not quite the right word.

But seriously - that shouldn't be a big issue.

We haven't made the finals in 7 years. If we are even slightly competent - we would have so much salary cap flexibility it isnt even funny.

What do you think Strachan would be paid? Surely - it wouldn't be much at all to pay him out if we didnt want him.

 

[Kenny Dee]

Really hope Peatling can come in and be that ruckman we so desperately need

 

[AFC979810]

Really hope Peatling can come in and be that ruckman we so desperately need

But how does he compare to Clark Keating?

 

[FR0GGY]

But how does he compare to Clark Keating?

Hopefully more of a Kent.

 

[Cromulant]

Hopefully more of a Kent.

Kent Keating ??

 

[FR0GGY]

Kent Keating ??

Clark campaigner