West Coasters Flag Prospects 2020

[Jez1974]

Except they have screwed their rebuild. 4 years out of finals and they only have 2 x top 10 picks on their list. They won’t win the spoon in 25 but still need to replace 15 players in drafts with an expansion team coming.

How can they possibly get the youth actually winning a flag in 6 seasons if the bulk of them aren’t on the list yet? Even if their recruiting and development massively improve in 2025, they will need a miracle for the build to not be impacted by Tassie and maybe cost them the few extra pieces they will need.

Time will tell

 

[Jez1974]

Time will tell

Reid ginbey hough long Dewar hewett mmmm, this year's draft and some still think Chesser!!

 

[Purple Suit]

Reid ginbey hough long Dewar hewett mmmm, this year's draft and some still think Chesser!!

Long, Dewar, Hewett are still Chesser level at the moment. Time will tell.

 

[Jez1974]

You don’t know that!!


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He has been!!!

 

[Jez1974]

Long, Dewar, Hewett are still Chesser level at the moment. Time will tell.

Disagree with that. He is well below!!!

 

[Jez1974]

Long, Dewar, Hewett are still Chesser level at the moment. Time will tell.

They have only been there for one season and already showing more

 

[The 747]

Typo in thread title, did the OP mean 2030?

 

[Jez1974]

Typo in thread title, did the OP mean no check when initially posted, but 2030?

No check when initially posted, but any year ending in a 0!!!

 

[Mr Meow]

No check when initially posted, but any year ending in a 0!!!

It should be the Tim Kelly toast thread.

I think he stopped a Geelong slip down the ladder 2018-2019, then we sent him home and converted him into Jeremy Cameron for a flag - the missing piece to that squad. One who again has kept Geelong being in that contending space.

Kelly has also been decent enough for West Coast, albeit not near his 2019 best.

 

[Jez1974]

It should be the Tim Kelly toast thread.

I think he stopped a Geelong slip down the ladder 2018-2019, then we sent him home and converted him into Jeremy Cameron for a flag - the missing piece to that squad. One who again has kept Geelong being in that contending space.

Kelly has also been decent enough for West Coast, albeit not near his 2019 best.

Wrong thread!!!

 

[Mr Meow]

Wrong thread!!!

I'm gonna toast him anyway. He was a huge part of West Coast's flag prospects when he went over there. He did indirectly result in a premiership. Legend.

 

[Jez1974]

I'm gonna toast him anyway. He was a huge part of West Coast's flag prospects when he went over there. He did indirectly result in a premiership. Legend.

Totally agree with that. He has stood tall for the coasters

 

[Purple Suit]

Typo in thread title, did the OP mean 2030?

It has morphed into that. My guess is they have a 5% chance of winning the flag in 2030. Won’t be able to turn it around that quick if it has taken them 4 years to get their current list once it tanked.

Other teams with current better lists will be primed by then too & Tassie will impact the finish.

 

[sr36]

It has morphed into that. My guess is they have a 5% chance of winning the flag in 2030. Won’t be able to turn it around that quick if it has taken them 4 years to get their current list once it tanked.

Other teams with current better lists will be primed by then too & Tassie will impact the finish.

That's what I thought about Hawthorn who are already back up. Good clubs find a way. Adding Baker and they'll probably get Warner. When a good club starts adding players, they're probably not far away.

 

[Purple Suit]

That's what I thought about Hawthorn who are already back up. Good clubs find a way. Adding Baker and they'll probably get Warner. When a good club starts adding players, they're probably not far away.

Good clubs find a way till they don't, just ask Essendon and Carlton fans. Richmond were a good club, had a 35 year break and became a good club again. Hawks are an exception but they really need to put more than half a season together first and have coaches work on them before they have made it.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Good clubs find a way till they don't, just ask Essendon and Carlton fans. Richmond were a good club, had a 35 year break and became a good club again. Hawks are an exception but they really need to put more than half a season together first and have coaches work on them before they have made it.

Were they ever that good though? Pretty easy to chalk up flags in 6/10/12 team league.

They've won a combined 3 in 70 years since the league rebranded as the AFL.

 

[Freomaniac]

Judging WCE by your club's methods isn't the greatest way to predict future success.

More than half the list has been turned over already and significant effort has been put into improving the off-field stuff.

Youth isn't the be all and end all, Collingwood won a flag 2 years ago with the oldest list ever(or was it Geelong the year before? I forget).

Youth gets massively overrated on BF, the only thing that matters is the quality of your list overall.

How a club gets there is the interesting part.

I agree to a degree that youth is overrated to a degree .

Teams go through rebuilds when they have an ageing squad and have to bite the bullet and accept spending 5 years in a row of not expecting finals.

But that 1st draft in a rebuilding period is always interesting. You are getting at least 5 or 6 or 7 kids in that national draft. Not to mention a few more in the rookie draft.

That 1st bunch of 18-20 year Olds you collect will be 23-25 year Olds 5 years later. Those blokes are likely a part of your teams best 23 to eventually make finals.

Yeah you might trade a 3rd or 4th rounder to trade in a 23 or 24 or 25 year old from another club or even use a late pick to get a mature ager thats 23 to 25 year old that has never played AFL.

But you mentioned my club. My team drafted and traded lots of players from 2016 to 2020. Lots of kids drafted. Some people were traded in. Some players worked out, some didn't.

Yeah freos 2016-21 rebuild was flawed but we got some good kids.

But saying that.... I have said this before and will say it again. Despite the heart break of missing out of the 2023 and 2024 finals, I will savour that 2022 Elim final win.

19 of those players in that 2022 Elim final got their 1st ever finals win. It was a very young squad at the time. 7 blokes aged 21 or under.

Only 2 blokes from that 2015 finals win vs the swans made it to that 2022 Elim final win. One was a 37 year old David Mundy and a 31 year old Michael Walters. I could of added a then 30 year old Nathan Fyfe but he was injured but played next week vs the magpies in that 2022 semi final.

 

[Freomaniac]

Incorrect, not one first rounder was offered in 2018 for him, & never forget he sat under the W.A clubs noses for years & you never wanted him until you saw what he did for us.....Anyway onto the actual topic, I think the Eagles have the right to be seen as a top two prospect, the concern for me would be Barrass, his drop in form at the end of the year really seemed to inhibit McGovern’s output & the overall strength of the back half, if he can return to the 2018 version I think you’re right up to the Tigers level.

As far as Tim Kelly is concerned. I have mentioned this many times.

Yeah pick 24 in that 2017 draft. No one was gonna use a top 20 pick on a 22 or 23 year old.

Yeah he had an excellent season in his draft year. He averaged 28 disposals a game in the 2017 WAFL season.

So why didn't either Western Australian club look at him in the 2016 draft? He only averaged 20 disposals a game.

And why not take him in the 2015 draft? Again he didn't stand out as he again averaged 20 disposals a game in the WAFL