Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Is Harley Reid, more highly rated than Jack Watts was in his draft year?

Who picks a third tall forward at pick 1? I mean seriously.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I clearly remember the hype around Jack Watts.
The masses get led very easily, you don’t have to look too far back through history to see that.
It’s almost as if Harley Reid is destined for 5 Brownlows, 10 all Australians, and will get 20 more possessions a game than any other kid drafted this year, if you believe the hype.
Personally I call bullshit.

 

[bzparkes]

I clearly remember the hype around Jack Watts.
The masses get led very easily, you don’t have to look too far back through history to see that.
It’s almost as if Harley Reid is destined for 5 Brownlows, 10 all Australians, and will get 20 more possessions a game than any other kid drafted this year, if you believe the hype.
Personally I call bullshit.

What hype?

Unsurprising that you don't remember that the 'hype' for Watts didn't come until after he won the Larke medal. He wasn't on the radar much before that.

Melbourne told Naitanui the night before the draft they were taking him at pick 1, for example.

That year, it was expected NN & Rich would go 1 & 2.

If you'd paid any attention to anything(which you obviously don't), you'd know that Reid's been expected to go at no.1 in the draft this year since the middle of last year and he's only reinforced his standing with his performances this year.

Stupid comparison.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I clearly remember the hype around Jack Watts.
The masses get led very easily, you don’t have to look too far back through history to see that.
It’s almost as if Harley Reid is destined for 5 Brownlows, 10 all Australians, and will get 20 more possessions a game than any other kid drafted this year, if you believe the hype.
Personally I call bullshit.

Bullshit at what? What exactly are you calling BS on?

 

[Coasters7]

I clearly remember the hype around Jack Watts.
The masses get led very easily, you don’t have to look too far back through history to see that.
It’s almost as if Harley Reid is destined for 5 Brownlows, 10 all Australians, and will get 20 more possessions a game than any other kid drafted this year, if you believe the hype.
Personally I call bullshit.

The hype is still justified though, even if it is only half of the process. Jack Watts may have been a decent player had he gone to a better environment that wasn’t the Melbourne basket case with huge expectation to be the saviour.

Reid could definitely end up in the same boat as there is already a lot of expectation and hope being put on his shoulders. But imo he has that campaigner in him that’s says he’s not going to let himself fail. Jack Watts was always a bit soft.

 

[archiemoses]

Reid can play forward, back, midfield. He has flair, skills and plenty of campaigner.

We could ease him in off half back in first year, with stints in the middle.

Move him forward in games we need a spark.

He has it all. If we don't say his name out with pick 1, it will be remembered in history forever.

We can get Curtin in 2 years when he asks out of North.

 

[Deepthroat]

I’m genuinely surprised JHF doesnt come into the Reid comparisons more regularly.

A lot of similar things said before he was drafted.

SNAPSHOT: "A midfielder with next to no weaknesses whose power bodes well for tough ball winning and impressive aerial marking, as well as damaging scoreboard impact."

Regarded by many as premier talent of the 2021 draft class, Jason Horne-Francis is one of the most complete prospects in recent memory. The South Australian midfielder entered the season with lofty expectations having already made his League debut as a 17-year-old. The pick of the bunch at every level he’s played at, Horne-Francis took his game to new heights this season with South Adelaide. A model of consistency throughout the campaign in a variety of roles, Horne-Francis shone on Preliminary Final night, booting three goals (and three behinds) from 24 disposals (18 contested) and 11 clearances to claim best on ground honours.

His side was beaten, but attention in the aftermath focused on the sensational teenager's blistering showing at Adelaide Oval. It was the performance which saw him firm as the likely favoured target of North Melbourne with pick number one. Named captain of the South Australian Under 19 team, Horne-Francis’ League commitments restricted him to just one match in the tricolours - against Western Australia in Perth. However, he was awarded All-Australian honours and was crowned South Australia’s MVP when he captained his state at the Under 16 National Championships in 2019.

STRENGTHS:

• Contested ball
• Defensive effort
• Scoreboard impact
• Explosiveness
• Physicality
• Competitiveness
• Overhead marking

IMPROVEMENT:

• Kicking consistency
• Outside game

Horne-Francis is very capable of winning a game off his own boot and at 184cm, he is a medium-sized midfielder who packs a punch. The 18-year-old plays with physicality, imposing himself on the contest and the opposition through his repeat efforts at ground level. The midfielder enjoys the rough, in-and-under side of the game where his natural aggression shines through. He hunts the footy, tackles with intent and hits the ball at speed. His tackling technique is particularly terrific, pinning the arms and bringing the opponent to ground with ferocity. This, along with his smothering closing speed makes for an intimidating combination. Not one to back down or shy away from the tough stuff, he is a natural contested ball winner who proved himself on the inside at SANFL League level by winning 18 contested possessions in the preliminary final. He has showed an ability to burst away from congestion, shrug off would-be tacklers and stream forward with intent.

The South Adelaide prospect, who has spent the year working after finishing his schooling last year, compliments his hard edge with an ability to push forward, where his overhead marking has been a staple. He is damaging one-on-one and can fly from just about anywhere in a pack. Horne-Francis is the type of player who will send opposition defences into a frenzy when sent forward, not dissimilar to the aura which surrounds Richmond Dustin Martinwhen the Tigers throw him into attack. The teenager has booted 20 goals in 29 league matches, including a couple of hauls of three. He is clever in the forward-50, has a very natural goal sense and, importantly, is prepared to back himself in and pull the trigger when within range. Not one to just rest inside 50, Horne-Francis is also capable of working high up the ground and using his speed on the way back.

Although he didn’t fully test at the South Australian draft combine, Horne-Francis possesses a sound athletic profile without an obvious weakness. He has the acceleration and sustained speed to be able to break away from a contest, the leap to worry opposition defenders, and the endurance required to become an elite midfielder at the highest level. Horne-Francis is efficient by foot, measuring out his targets and hitting them with the appropriate level of depth. He has terrific special awareness at stoppages and his midfield craft is already well developed. The guidance of Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Broadbent and Joel Cross at South Adelaide will undoubtedly have had a sizeable impact on the fundamentals of his game over the past couple of seasons.

Horne-Francis plays with a certain swagger and presence of mind. It’s far from arrogance, but rather a sense of supreme confidence in his skillset and ability to take it up to seasoned players at League level. Horne-Francis has displayed remarkable consistency for a player of his age, consistently featuring among South’s best performers in 2021. Throughout the year, he averaged 16 disposals, four marks, four tackles, three clearances and a tick under a goal per game in 20 matches. He is a remarkably well-rounded prospect with no standout area of improvement. At times, his kicking can be inconsistent in the sense he invites pressure on occassion with short passes, or can blaze away long from a contest. However, Horne-Francis’ skills are above average for an inside-leaning midfielder and are expected to translate well at the next level

 

[PremiershipNo4]

What hype?

Unsurprising that you don't remember that the 'hype' for Watts didn't come until after he won the Larke medal. He wasn't on the radar much before that.

Melbourne told Naitanui the night before the draft they were taking him at pick 1, for example.

That year, it was expected NN & Rich would go 1 & 2.

If you'd paid any attention to anything(which you obviously don't), you'd know that Reid's been expected to go at no.1 in the draft this year since the middle of last year and he's only reinforced his standing with his performances this year.

Stupid comparison.

What hype?
You lost me on the 1st 2 words

 

[bzparkes]

What hype?
You lost me on the 1st 2 words

Should've read the rest, then you'd have known I was talking about Watts.

 

[BartBart]

Reid can play forward, back, midfield. He has flair, skills and plenty of campaigner.

We could ease him in off half back in first year, with stints in the middle.

Move him forward in games we need a spark.

He has it all. If we don't say his name out with pick 1, it will be remembered in history forever.

We can get Curtin in 2 years when he asks out of North.

I remember when we hoped Simon Black might request to come home.

I think Perth people are generally more open to having to travel or move due to us being so far from everywhere anyway.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I remember when we hoped Simon Black might request to come home.

I think Perth people are generally more open to having to travel or move due to us being so far from everywhere anyway.

And to think. We took 3 players before Simon black in that draft. Brownlow, norm smith, hall of famer. How did we miss that?

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[Rowan18]

And to think. We took 3 players before Simon black in that draft. Brownlow, norm smith, hall of famer. How did we miss that?

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Rowan Jones was a pretty good pickup

 

[Flarn Rarn]

I clearly remember the hype around Jack Watts.
The masses get led very easily, you don’t have to look too far back through history to see that.
It’s almost as if Harley Reid is destined for 5 Brownlows, 10 all Australians, and will get 20 more possessions a game than any other kid drafted this year, if you believe the hype.
Personally I call bullshit.

There was plenty of hype around Jack Watts, but I remember desperately hoping that Melbourne would take him and leave Naitanui to us. Despite the media attention he got there were plenty who didn't rate him as a runaway number 1. Reid is different in that sense.

 

[sey666]

Harley Reid ≠Kerr
Harley Reid ≠ Judd
Harley Reid ≠ Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

Harley Reid ≠ De Goey
Harley Reid ≠ JHF
........
At this rate in a few days time

Harley Reid = The A5

 

[EagleMan87]

Well, I was gonna say he's got a bit of Leigh Matthews about him...

 

[The Passenger]

And to think. We took 3 players before Simon black in that draft. Brownlow, norm smith, hall of famer. How did we miss that?

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Especially when Black was an U/18 All-Australian (at least according to his Wiki*).

You can play the "Look who Club X drafted just after us in Year Y" to the cows come home and for the most part it doesn't make much sense because there are a lot of variables in determining the success someone is going to have...

But overlooking Black was definitely a big red cross on our part.

* EDIT: confirmed Simon BLACK » WA Football Hall of Fame

 

[BartBart]

And to think. We took 3 players before Simon black in that draft. Brownlow, norm smith, hall of famer. How did we miss that?

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J.Crabb, C.Chambers, R.Jones.

Hats off to Brisbane getting him at 31.

 

[BartBart]

There was plenty of hype around Jack Watts, but I remember desperately hoping that Melbourne would take him and leave Naitanui to us. Despite the media attention he got there were plenty who didn't rate him as a runaway number 1. Reid is different in that sense.

You would remember the run down tackle video of Naitanui before the draft.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Harley = Bock
Curtain= Gunston

 

[Farang83150]

I REALLY want us to take Reid at 1 , it's almost to the point where I mainly want it for the Vic melts and to shove it so kn far up Lyon and cornes fwd pass that they can't walk properly for a year.

 

[DJMac]

What hype?

Unsurprising that you don't remember that the 'hype' for Watts didn't come until after he won the Larke medal. He wasn't on the radar much before that.

Melbourne told Naitanui the night before the draft they were taking him at pick 1, for example.

That year, it was expected NN & Rich would go 1 & 2.

If you'd paid any attention to anything(which you obviously don't), you'd know that Reid's been expected to go at no.1 in the draft this year since the middle of last year and he's only reinforced his standing with his performances this year.

Stupid comparison.

Agreed.

That season the media said the bottom teams were playing for the Naitinui Cup.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

I’m genuinely surprised JHF doesnt come into the Reid comparisons more regularly.

A lot of similar things said before he was drafted.

SNAPSHOT: "A midfielder with next to no weaknesses whose power bodes well for tough ball winning and impressive aerial marking, as well as damaging scoreboard impact."

Regarded by many as premier talent of the 2021 draft class, Jason Horne-Francis is one of the most complete prospects in recent memory. The South Australian midfielder entered the season with lofty expectations having already made his League debut as a 17-year-old. The pick of the bunch at every level he’s played at, Horne-Francis took his game to new heights this season with South Adelaide. A model of consistency throughout the campaign in a variety of roles, Horne-Francis shone on Preliminary Final night, booting three goals (and three behinds) from 24 disposals (18 contested) and 11 clearances to claim best on ground honours.

His side was beaten, but attention in the aftermath focused on the sensational teenager's blistering showing at Adelaide Oval. It was the performance which saw him firm as the likely favoured target of North Melbourne with pick number one. Named captain of the South Australian Under 19 team, Horne-Francis’ League commitments restricted him to just one match in the tricolours - against Western Australia in Perth. However, he was awarded All-Australian honours and was crowned South Australia’s MVP when he captained his state at the Under 16 National Championships in 2019.

STRENGTHS:

• Contested ball
• Defensive effort
• Scoreboard impact
• Explosiveness
• Physicality
• Competitiveness
• Overhead marking

IMPROVEMENT:

• Kicking consistency
• Outside game

Horne-Francis is very capable of winning a game off his own boot and at 184cm, he is a medium-sized midfielder who packs a punch. The 18-year-old plays with physicality, imposing himself on the contest and the opposition through his repeat efforts at ground level. The midfielder enjoys the rough, in-and-under side of the game where his natural aggression shines through. He hunts the footy, tackles with intent and hits the ball at speed. His tackling technique is particularly terrific, pinning the arms and bringing the opponent to ground with ferocity. This, along with his smothering closing speed makes for an intimidating combination. Not one to back down or shy away from the tough stuff, he is a natural contested ball winner who proved himself on the inside at SANFL League level by winning 18 contested possessions in the preliminary final. He has showed an ability to burst away from congestion, shrug off would-be tacklers and stream forward with intent.

The South Adelaide prospect, who has spent the year working after finishing his schooling last year, compliments his hard edge with an ability to push forward, where his overhead marking has been a staple. He is damaging one-on-one and can fly from just about anywhere in a pack. Horne-Francis is the type of player who will send opposition defences into a frenzy when sent forward, not dissimilar to the aura which surrounds Richmond Dustin Martinwhen the Tigers throw him into attack. The teenager has booted 20 goals in 29 league matches, including a couple of hauls of three. He is clever in the forward-50, has a very natural goal sense and, importantly, is prepared to back himself in and pull the trigger when within range. Not one to just rest inside 50, Horne-Francis is also capable of working high up the ground and using his speed on the way back.

Although he didn’t fully test at the South Australian draft combine, Horne-Francis possesses a sound athletic profile without an obvious weakness. He has the acceleration and sustained speed to be able to break away from a contest, the leap to worry opposition defenders, and the endurance required to become an elite midfielder at the highest level. Horne-Francis is efficient by foot, measuring out his targets and hitting them with the appropriate level of depth. He has terrific special awareness at stoppages and his midfield craft is already well developed. The guidance of Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Broadbent and Joel Cross at South Adelaide will undoubtedly have had a sizeable impact on the fundamentals of his game over the past couple of seasons.

Horne-Francis plays with a certain swagger and presence of mind. It’s far from arrogance, but rather a sense of supreme confidence in his skillset and ability to take it up to seasoned players at League level. Horne-Francis has displayed remarkable consistency for a player of his age, consistently featuring among South’s best performers in 2021. Throughout the year, he averaged 16 disposals, four marks, four tackles, three clearances and a tick under a goal per game in 20 matches. He is a remarkably well-rounded prospect with no standout area of improvement. At times, his kicking can be inconsistent in the sense he invites pressure on occassion with short passes, or can blaze away long from a contest. However, Horne-Francis’ skills are above average for an inside-leaning midfielder and are expected to translate well at the next level

Horne Francis is an out and out star.If Reid is as good as him I’ll be wrapt!!

 

[Bacchus]

Agreed.

That season the media said the bottom teams were playing for the Naitinui Cup.

Melbourne went for the local boy and came a big second best with all time classic draft blunder.

 

[BartBart]

Melbourne went for the local boy and came a big second best with all time classic draft blunder.

It wasn't just because he was local - it was also because he was considered the safe pick & being private school helped.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

Watts casually wrecked the champs in 2008, turkey slapped the draft camp and was looking the complete Riewoldt package for a big key forward - elite pace, kicking and floating around marking everything with ease as a bottom aged kid.

Who knew he would be an average/solid flanker at the elite level in one of the worst terms possible to go through development programs with.