What's going on with Carlton's list

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Wellingham would be the 4th best midfielder at Carlton. He was number 8 or 9 at Collingwood; Ball a handy replacement in 2013.

Happy for Carlton to place their full focus on beating us next year, we'll focus on the top 4 again.

mmmmmm really?

 

[chunkylover53]

Wellingham would be the 4th best midfielder at Carlton. He was number 8 or 9 at Collingwood; Ball a handy replacement in 2013.

Happy for Carlton to place their full focus on beating us next year, we'll focus on the top 4 again.

Shouldn't you be focussing on continuing your 'dynasty'?

 

[budgiejk]

Thomas & Sidebottom for a start. Shaw spends a bit of time running off a wing too, as does the underrated Ben Johnson.

Come on.... Shaw doesn't play midfield and Benny Johnson, please....

 

[Collingwoodity]

what have they been doing? playing xbox?

Malthouse was playing goldeneye - he had been looking up judd's ass for a KPF

 

[chunkylover53]

Malthouse was playing goldeneye - he had been looking up judd's arse for a KPF

Terrible, terrible call. My 11 year old brother can come up with better tripe than that.

 

[mediumsizered]

Thomas & Sidebottom for a start. Shaw spends a bit of time running off a wing too, as does the underrated Ben Johnson.

Gee Rohan, if you are going to put forward an argument, make sure you actually get your facts right. Shaw is no more a midfielder than what Harry 'Obama' O'Brien is & Johnson wouldn't have seen the midfield since Malthouse's early days at Collingwood.

 

[Essendonia]

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas the Bay.

My issue is that I - being a non-Carlton supporter relativey unacquainted with its depth players - could not see where significant internal improvement would come from after 2011. Basically, I saw 2011 as Carlton at its peak - which, mind you, was able to be competitive against some of the best teams and perhaps deserved to knock off WC.

The key questions are:
1. Is there significant/substantial development in the list?
2. Is the development able to be realised whilst Judd (29)/Scotland(32)/Waite(29)/Carrazzo(28)/Simpson(28) are still performing?

If the answer to 2 is yes, then you should be pushing for top 6, you would think, after an aberration year of injury.
If the answer to 2 is no, then when is the best window - ie, will you be in a position to challenge in 4+ years when you'll have Murphy(29)/Gibbs(27)/Kreuz(27)/Betts(/Walker(30)/Jamison(30)/Betts(29)?

It seems as though the best players are either peaking or about to peak, but there are doubts about the support staff.

 

[Kramer1]

Malthouse was playing goldeneye - he had been looking up judd's arse for a KPF

Will be disappointed...nothing up there but sunshine.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Terrible, terrible call. My 11 year old brother can come up with better tripe than that.

Who?...chunkylover54?

Ahhh...You meant to say that your 11 year old brother eats and throws up better edible offal from the stomachs of various farm animals than that?

 

[Collingwoodity]

Will be disappointed...nothing up there but sunshine.

But surely Carlton fans must be slightly distressed that they didn't pick up a kpf?

They were into lynch and cloke?

 

[Kramer1]

But surely Carlton fans must be slightly distressed that they didn't pick up a kpf?

They were into lynch and cloke?

Why? Cloke always a long shot...not wise to emotionally invest in long shots. Lynch would be handy no doubt, certainly not a must have at the reported price.

Lynch looks likely to cost you a 24 yo CHF who has shown (albeit rarely) that he can play the game...and we should be distressed?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Not sure Carlton realise trade week has started. Did they get the email?

 

[forwardflanker]

Carlton clearly feel that their list as it stands doesn't need any improving. . The decisions made in the last few seasons are going to send the blues back to the stone age. Say hi to Footscray when you arrive

 

[blueboy25]

Carlton clearly feel that their list as it stands doesn't need any improving. . The decisions made in the last few seasons are going to send the blues back to the stone age. Say hi to Footscray when you arrive

All lists need improving but it seems Carlton are happy to use the draft this year instead of trading for club discards like Knights or Chaplin.

Why aren't Collingwood trading for a Ruckman that could step straight in if Jolly goes down? Lynch can't ruck full time, Dawes is gone and Wood is rubbish.

 

[AM]

Not sure Carlton realise trade week has started. Did they get the email?

They're saving-up so they can get Pendlebury in a year or two,

 

[blueboy25]

Why? Cloke always a long shot...not wise to emotionally invest in long shots. Lynch would be handy no doubt, certainly not a must have at the reported price.

Lynch looks likely to cost you a 24 yo CHF who has shown (albeit rarely) that he can play the game...and we should be distressed?

Plus Cloke's demands have sent Wellingham out the door

 

[bombermick]

West Coast - Wellingham wanted to go home to Perth otherwise he would stay at collingwood, not sure what you wanted Carlton to of here?
Hawks - Lake may not last the 2 years on his contract and he only wanted to go to hawthorn.
Sydney - Tippett - Can't match what sydney are offering and he didn't want to come to melbourne.

Suggest a bold move that Carlton can look at.

You don't have to do those deals, but there's plenty of other options in fixing your KPF issues.

Dawes - No world-beater, but he'd bring the ball to ground for Betts and Garlett.
Hansen- Again no champ, but would be a good foil for Waite.
Gumby - Carlton don't seem keen, which is fair enough already dealing with Waite. But you have to try something, or you'll fall further behind the top teams.

 

[Alphanumeric]

Carlton best 10 mids / smalls are - Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo, Gibbs, Yarran, Betts, Simpson, Scotland, Robinson, Garlett.
I don't see an age issue there. Top shelf.
Carlton's best 10 talls KPP are - Jamison, Kreuzer, Waite, Henderson, Hampson, Laidler, Casboult, Watson, Mitchell and McInness
Add youngsters and depth like Bootsma, Buckley, Rowe, Lucas, Ball, Davies, Touey, Duigan, Warnock, Walker and the list is young and top 4 material.

That's all good and well, but which of the current top 4 sides do they replace?? Crows maybe?? Hawks, Swans, Pies will finish top 4, WCE should replace the Crows.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Plus Cloke's demands have sent Wellingham out the door

A price most Pies fans think worth paying.

 

[BlueJet]

Carlton clearly feel that their list as it stands doesn't need any improving. . The decisions made in the last few seasons are going to send the blues back to the stone age. Say hi to Footscray when you arrive

Funny that when we do trade we're apparently looking for a quick fix, yet when we hold onto our picks and develop our own kids we aren't trying to improve.

 

[Monkey King]

You don't have to do those deals, but there's plenty of other options in fixing your KPF issues.

And the best option would be get the KPP's we have fit and healthy and teach Casboult to kick straight

 

[Monkey King]

Carlton clearly feel that their list as it stands doesn't need any improving. .

They'll improve it through the draft Lots of improvement to come from within the list still. I know you make statements contradicting that, but aren't much prepared to back that up with anything but empty rhetoric.

 

[You Heard Me]

Pendlebury, Swan, Beams, Sidebottom, Thomas, Ball all better than Wellingham.
Judd, Murphy, Carrazzo, Robinson, Simspson, Scotland also

Blues do need a KPF if Casboult and Mitchell don't come on. Waite injury prone, not sold re Hampson.

 

[Fadge]

Can you name the 8 players in front of Wellingham in the midfield?

I have pendles, swan, beams and possibly ball.

Definitely Pendlebury, Swan, Beams, Thomas, Ball and Sidebottom. That's six.

Wellingham and Blair are the next two, either order. So there's an argument he was either number 7 or 8.

He is 24 and not sure he's had a Top 10 finish in our best and fairest?

 

[Fadge]

Shouldn't you be focussing on continuing your 'dynasty'?

Since Carlton last made the top 4, Collingwood have made it on 7 separate occasions.

We're only just starting, plenty of depth and quality in our list, and we have the results to prove it.