Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 2

[RPCB]

And in 100 years, when Carlton's Premiership drought is 129 years, and Grand Final drought is 125 years, you'll still have your head to head record against Collingwood in Grand Finals.

And in 100 years from now, 158 years after the 1966 Grand Final, Collingwood will still be the first and last club to lose to St Kilda in a Grand Final.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yep.

You're only a 'winner' if you win a Major tournament, and even then you've only usually got a month to saviour the moment, because you'll inevitably lose your crown when the next Major tournament is played (unless it's the British Open, in which case you have bragging rights for 8 to 9 months).

You can win the whole PGA tour without winning one tournament

 

[CCurnow3votes]

You’re twisting the discussion to suit your narrative.

Poster said there’s 3 teams with the same amount of Premiership and how do you separate them? I threw up some alternate suggestions to his, which is grand finals played etc. etc.

On reflection, you can’t seperate them, we’re all on 16… but you’re new to the dais, so I understand you’re still trying to comprehend it.

There’s is one way to separate them!

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Who is burying the spoons?

But of course it's only about this century to suit Pie supporters narrative

Still massive chokers since WWII

You are burying the spoons

But of course it's only about the last 6 decades to suit Blue supporters narrative

Still massive chokers since 1990

 

[Corn Cobbers]

There’s is one way to separate them!

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All I'm seeing is Sydney followed by the "loser group" in presumably a random order

 

[CCurnow3votes]

All I'm seeing is Sydney followed by the "loser group" in presumably a random order

Just stop, breathe and witness the glory & light that is the Carlton Football Club as we inevitably win the whole damn shooting match!

Sydney is but a moon in the beautiful CFC expanding universe!

Collingwood…the space junk.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Just stop, breathe and witness the glory & light that is the Carlton Football Club as we inevitably win the whole damn shooting match!

Sydney is but a moon in the beautiful CFC expanding universe!

Collingwood…the space junk.

Note the lack of wooden spoons in that junk

 

[Arr0w]

You are burying the spoons

Show me

But of course it's only about the last 6 decades to suit Blue supporters narrative

Want to go back 8 decades?

Still massive chokers since 1990

Flag in 95, lost in 99, nice attempt

You dizzy yet?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Show me

Want to go back 8 decades?


Flag in 95, lost in 99, nice attempt

You dizzy yet?

Here we go again

1. "Participant award" = attempt to form a "loser group" and bury spoons
2. 6 decades 8 decades whatevs, we lead the whole thing 1897-2023
3. Since 1990 Carlton has a worse GF record than Collingwood and 5 spoons

You dizzy yet?

 

[Worm4]

I will put my hand up and concede if Collingwood win the flag this year.
The question is, are you prepared to concede if Carlton win the flag this year ?

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Note the lack of wooden spoons in that junk

Ahhh but plenty of cups for your false teeth at night

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Back to footy.

Why don't Collingwood fans rate us?

What are the holes in our list that will take us to an EF exit?

I rate you.
Currently the second best performed team in it. I had question marks about your second stringers but they have stood up and produced this year. You've been able to chalk up wins when not playing your best which is always a good sign. When the Blues are on they make scoring look easy.
I'll back you to finish second from here but come finals time I'd back us if we were to meet at any stage.

 

[Arr0w]

Here we go again

1. "Participant award" = attempt to form a "loser group" and bury spoons
2. 6 decades 8 decades whatevs, we lead the whole thing 1897-2023
3. Since 1990 Carlton has a worse GF record than Collingwood and 5 spoons

You dizzy yet?

You're not good at this are you

 

[Carringbush2010]

But you see Fudgey - you don't get to decide what is the measurement that is relevant for everyone else - I know you have visions of grandeur based on your persona on here - but understand this - the only point I am making is Collingwood posters don't get to set the rules or the measurements or anything else.

No one is 'setting rules', I've just put up facts, you and your blue brethren have bent over backwards to criticize them in a desperate attempt to deflect from those facts.

It's not mandatory, they're just facts of evidence of club performance*, and you've made of them what you have.

* Most would agree that being runner up is evidence of better team performance than finishing bottom.

Spose it's better than sticking your fingers in your ears screaming la la la to yourself, tryna ignore it.

That is the point of difference between your 'participation award' mindset and the real world- flags are what matter and if you think any different that is fine but irrelevant to me.

Well that's subject to opinion innit.

Notice last year the whole footy world (obviously except for yourself) applauded the blose for making it all the way to a prelim.

Seems like it was popular opinion.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Here we go again

1. "Participant award" = attempt to form a "loser group" and bury spoons
2. 6 decades 8 decades whatevs, we lead the whole thing 1897-2023
3. Since 1990 Carlton has a worse GF record than Collingwood and 5 spoons

You dizzy yet?

Yeah the old pick a date in the past that suits my argument plot.

Here's one.
Since 1983.
Collingwood 3:flags, 1 spoon v Carlton 2 flags, 5 spoons.
So for the last 41 years Collingwood has won 50% more flags and 80% less spoons than Carlton. The numbers are damning!

 

[Robertio]

Note the lack of wooden spoons in that junk

 

[Corn Cobbers]

You're not good at this are you

Silenced you pretty quickly so I must be improving

 

[JustaBattler]

No one is 'setting rules', I've just put up facts, you and your blue brethren have bent over backwards to criticize them in a desperate attempt to deflect from those facts.

It's not mandatory, they're just facts of evidence of club performance*, and you've made of them what you have.

* Most would agree that being runner up is evidence of better team performance than finishing bottom.

Spose it's better than sticking your fingers in your ears screaming la la la to yourself, tryna ignore it.

Well that's subject to opinion innit.

Notice last year the whole footy world (obviously except for yourself) applauded the blose for making it all the way to a prelim.

Seems like it was popular opinion.

Winning a flag in a flag-winning competition is the only relevant FACT.

Yes people can go on about this or that or the other statistic, people are want to do all sorts of things - but the only measurement that is relevant in a winner-take-all all game - is who was the winner.

Conversation about 2024 - within the context of which teams is going to 'do better' is speculation and banter - all good and well.

Referencing look back participation awards as some kind of added extra back-up story to the past
Picking and choosing time frames to suit an argument

all that stuff in the context of a winner takes all game- ( and that is what AFL is ) is nuffery - no one can decide on a winner using these frameworks.


Stick with flags won - simple as that - no argument, no comeback - simple.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

Have Carlton won any flags this millennium yet?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Stick with flags won - simple as that - no argument, no comeback - simple.

Yep just talk about flags and BURY THOSE SPOONS

 

[Carringbush2010]

Winning a flag in a flag-winning competition is the only relevant FACT.

Again subject to opinion

Stick with flags won - simple as that - no argument, no comeback - simple.

Yes very simplistic.

Seems you don't have many friends that share your view, see most of the footy world rates a GF played over a wooden spoon.

Most value a bronze medal over no medal etc. the view of rating performances isn't just isolated to the AFL competition.

But you do you, if you wanna ignore facts that measure team performance then go ahead, no one will stop you.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Again subject to opinion

Yes very simplistic.

Seems you don't have many friends that share your view, see most of the footy world rates a GF played over a wooden spoon.

Most value a bronze medal over no medal etc. the view of rating performances isn't just isolated to the AFL competition.

But you do you, if you wanna ignore facts that measure team performance then go ahead, no one will stop you.

Second, third, fourth, last... these words simply wouldn't exist if they didn't matter

Hard work educating these poor sods

 

[Worm4]

Silenced you pretty quickly so I must be improving

you've been silent since Carlton won last Friday.

 

[Arr0w]

Silenced you pretty quickly so I must be improving

No, you just tried to deflect and failed miserably

 

[Corn Cobbers]

No, you just tried to deflect and failed miserably

Feel free to explain how if you're capable without glib smug words and winks