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I see the definition moving on a shifting continuum.The definition of fringe and extremist is too broad for this to be a worthwhile debate. Plenty that was once considered fringe and extremist is now considered consensus and vice versa. This fact alone makes this discussion illogical. the topic needs to be about a more specific set of views.
Well yes but current woke views were also seen as racist and conservative back in 1990. The current woke views are a blip that will eventually be reversed just like the public support for Marxist views regarding workers ownership of production were eventually reversed.I see the definition moving on a shifting continuum.
There's a lot of 2023 progressives that will be conservatives in 2063 while maintaining their current social views. You could start a thread on robot/human marriages to gauge who will fall behind.
Well yes but current woke views were also seen as racist and conservative back in 1990. The current woke views are a blip that will eventually be reversed just like the public support for Marxist views regarding workers ownership of production were eventually reversed.
'Woke' started in black America. 'Stay woke' as a common saying i.e. remain aware of racial injustice and inequalities.Well yes but current woke views were also seen as racist and conservative back in 1990.
Im not refering to the ideas between the origins of the term though. Im referring to many of the ideas being put foward now. We can call them woke like many do or something else. It really doesnt matter what its called. Its just a label. But its the ideas that exist among many who call themselves progressives today including many on this board that Im referring to. The label is irrelevant.'Woke' started in black America. 'Stay woke' as a common saying i.e. remain aware of racial injustice and inequalities.
I'd be interested to hear how you summise that the origins are racist and conservative.
Off the top of my head, a "current woke view" that would be considered racist in 90s would be organisations such as BLM demanding a return to forms of racial segregation. Black only areas on college campuses, entrance to uni and employment based on race, that sorta thing. Seeds is right. Surely unis are places for people to come together and experience diversity!'Woke' started in black America. 'Stay woke' as a common saying i.e. remain aware of racial injustice and inequalities.
I'd be interested to hear how you summise that the origins are racist and conservative.
Does that exist?Off the top of my head, a "current woke view" that would be considered racist in 90s would be organisations such as BLM demanding a return to forms of racial segregation.
The anti-woke mindset is based in white supremacy. It's surprising that so many people just parrot along with it.
Sorry boss I'll reel it in. I'm sad that I got banned from the Trump thread though for reading a bible verse IIRC
Giving a leg up to disadvantaged groups is one thing. Physically segregating people based on race at college facilities (or memorial day events, as one nuffy professor was demanding IIRC) is surely not something that MLK style progressives would be thrilled about. I realise he died in the 60s and we're talking about the 90s, but his brand of activism did not die with him. A uniter rather than a divider mate.Does that exist?
'Positive discrimination' stretches back further if you consider Indigenous American university placements.
Very, very disingenuous to lump it in with the 'racial segregation' that formed the backbone of conservative ideology for much of the 20th century.
Ok peeps, the rules.
Only discuss the why, coz the whether or not is not up for debate. No ifs buts or maybes - the less intelligent gravitate towards fringe extremism.
If you debate that less intelligent people do not gravitate towards the fringes I'll report you to the mods.
Anyway here's a similar thread, apparently you're welcome to contribute but most not question the whether, only discuss the why.
Society/Culture - Why do less intelligent people gravitate to conservative/right wing ideology.
The Daily Mail article reports upon a study by Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario, Canada. (another Canadian Academic Psychologist but without a youtube presence). He looked at data from 2 UK studies testing child development. The subjects were (a) 4,267 boys and 4,537...www.bigfooty.com
Why ?This is a 'why', extremism at both ends influence those who share similar views and are arguably less intelligent (because they're easily influenced as a result of narrow mindedness).
Best avoid twitter (and fb, youtube etc.) if you seek reality.
You are right about extremism, I know a very decent hard working young man doing an apprenticeship , level headed decent in his thirties, but try to talk about a certain subject he believes in he has no room in his nice bloke manner to even listen to another argument. He is extreme, to me!I'd describe an extreme leftie as someone who has violent tendencies because of their world views, like an antifa thug or similar (don't know if they exist in oz, which is not pertinent to the discussion anyway i;e 'in australia'). Not someone who has progressive views wearing a t shirt with a protest theme.
' I’m starting to think they are heaps rarer than extreme righties.' Whole heartedly agree, this is hardly news or surprising.
Extreme is extreme, not someone with empathetic world views who smokes weed and has dreadlocks.
Why do you think that?The anti-woke mindset is based in white supremacy. It's surprising that so many people just parrot along with it.
Why do you think that?
Language is fluid, and the meaning of 'woke' has shifted. It's parodied now.That's where it started.
Language is fluid, and the meaning of 'woke' has shifted. It's parodied now.
I don't see any relationship between anti-wokes and Nazis. Woke is viewed as LW extremism that the majority oppose, much in the same way that the majority don't think favourably of those who picket soldiers funerals or abortion clinics.
That article has a very optimistic take, which doesn't surprise me in the least.Not all white supremacists are Nazis. Regardless, do you think there are any woke Nazis?
There's plenty of articles on this, if you cared enough to look.
The Misuse of "Woke" Under White Supremacy
The use of the phrase "woke" has strayed far from its roots and has been co-opted by conservatives and mainstream culture to discredit calls for accountability and justice.the-ard.com
That article has a very optimistic take, which doesn't surprise me in the least.
How prevalent is white supremacy?White supremacy isn't necessarily mainstream. Anti-woke is more like cultural appropriation.
How prevalent is white supremacy?
I'll take a wild guess that 5% of the population care either way about wokeness.
"woke" is just shorthand for "decent person with a social conscience with the motivation to publicly stand up to injustice".'Woke' started in black America. 'Stay woke' as a common saying i.e. remain aware of racial injustice and inequalities.
I'd be interested to hear how you summise that the origins are racist and conservative.