List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2022

[HedgeFund]

He was good in 2021 but hardly got a game this year even with Frost out. The arrival of Blanck means he is no longer required.

…and if Blanck does an ACL in January….?

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

…and if Blanck does an ACL in January….?

Don't worry I'm sure we have another key forward on the list who we can throw back .

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

…and if Blanck does an ACL in January….?

Frost

 

[HedgeFund]

Frost

Seriously - you’ve just shown us all you have no idea about managing a list of 42 AFL players.

 

[Brishawk]

His lack of delisting would suggest so. Fairly clear that he’s viewed as being as relevant to our future as Howe, Shiels and Phillips based on his senior games this year.

I fear you are going early on this one. But time will tell.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I fear you are going early on this one. But time will tell.

Hard to see how he gets a game next year based on the present defensive make up. If Jeka continues his upward trajectory down there (still not as convinced on him as others) and Blanck locks down the FB position then even Frost is going to have a hard time muscling his way back into the back 6 let alone Hartigan. Hartigan played 10 games at BH and only 3 at Hawthorn - I think it’s fairly clear where Sam sees him in the pecking order. People tried to spin the injury card for Phillips with his senior absence this year despite his volume of VFL games this year and he was subsequently dealisted.

I think Sam was sending a fairly clear message on that quintet of players (Hartigan, Shiel, Howe, Hartigan and Phillips) who were getting walk up starts almost under Clarko - 3 of them are now gone.

 

[wahawk]

I don’t want to get into an argument with hedgefund but it don’t look like he got 3 yrs

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Three clicks and you can get to the thread welcoming Kyle. We signed him for 3 years. It’s true.

One Google search and he’s listed on the AFL website as being a free agent in 2022. Want to apologise to TylerDurden for being a snide campaigner now?

Every 2022 free agent revealed, your club's crunch re-signings

www.afl.com.au

AFL releases updated list of free agents for 2022

All the restricted and unrestricted free agents.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Turly]

Yes

Name the bags that were kicked on him.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Correct

Incorrect.

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[jenniferHAWKinS]

Seriously - you’ve just shown us all you have no idea about managing a list of 42 AFL players.

I am not a list manager and don’t pretend to be but I know Hartigan won’t get a game next year. Frost is back up. Even Jeka was and will be used as a key defender before Hartigan. If we get injuries to key defenders next year we can always get one in the mid season draft like Blanck this year.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Hartigan was an average stopgap battler.

Our list is in a better place when players of his calibre aren't getting games.

 

[Brishawk]

A deal that long, without any clauses dialled in, for a player that wasn’t likely in demand was a bit much.

I fear you are going early on this one. But time will tell.

This is what I was suggesting you were going early on. Not whether or not hartigan was going to get a game. If we do retain him, the reasons are unlikely to be apparent before trade week, I’d suggest.

 

[tommyk72]

Given Hartigan is only 30, any chance he has a good preseason, gets clear of injuries, and adds value? He looked terrible in the VFL games I saw, but he's still young.

 

[tommyk72]

Given Hartigan is only 30, any chance he has a good preseason, gets clear of injuries, and adds value? He looked terrible in the VFL games I saw, but he's still young.

...ish.

 

[eldorado]

There is also the possibility, albeit slim, that another club has expressed a willingness in preliminary talks to trade a late pick for Hartigan as a depth defender, one which might be useful in points for Hawthorn for picking up Jerome Lawrence .

As I said, slim, but remember, many players are not delisted until after trade week.

 

[SammyC]

I can’t see him going on contracted or not. Surely it’s just respectful to not lump him in with the delistings if he is retiring?

I thought he was solid last year but time to move on.

 

[daniel23]

I don't mind hartigan, he is ok depth in a tough postition and seems genuinely interested in helping the younger defenders . What happens through the trade period is probably what decides his future though.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

This is what the preseason take on Hawthorn’s 2021 was, for those making out like Hartigan was a problem.

“The Hawks were considered elite in the defensive end, ranking 5th for not conceding scores per entries. Sam Frost

8

Sam Frost

Age

31

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

191.6

3star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

191.6

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

, Kyle Hartigan

28

Kyle Hartigan

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.3

3star

MG

111.0

2star

D

9.3

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

111.0

2star

D

18.2

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.4

5star

T

0.6

3star

and Blake Hardwick

15

Blake Hardwick

Age

27

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.1

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

264.7

4star

D

13.8

3star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.7

3star

MG

264.7

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

4star

collectively were outmarked only five times.”

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

This is what the preseason take on Hawthorn’s 2021 was, for those making out like Hartigan was a problem.

“The Hawks were considered elite in the defensive end, ranking 5th for not conceding scores per entries. Sam Frost, Kyle Hartigan and Blake Hardwick collectively were outmarked only five times.”

A simular article by Harvey also said " I’ve known Tommy for a long time and I thought he got a lot of his strengths back in pre-season and we could see those, it was just really unfortunate luck that he went down with injury but we're looking forward for big things from him next year.”

Next minute his delisted, so i am not so sure about these reports.

 

[Jazzfan]

It felt like Hartigan barely played at Box Hill and often travelled with the team this year.

I know the soft cap is increasing 500k next year, but watching pre-game this year, it certainly felt like Sam had lots of trust in Hartigan as pseudo assistant coach.

Wouldn't shock me if he's being kept on the list primarily a development coach, with that not coming out of the soft cap.

Decision might be made closer to the trade period depending on what we do and if we need to delist someone else.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

A simular article by Harvey also said " I’ve known Tommy for a long time and I thought he got a lot of his strengths back in pre-season and we could see those, it was just really unfortunate luck that he went down with injury but we're looking forward for big things from him next year.”

Next minute his delisted, so i am not so sure about these reports.

You realize one is statistical data from Champion data and the other is a filtered opinion reported for members, yeah?

Thats honestly one of the silliest comparisons I’ve read on this board, and you’ve somehow got a bunch of people buying it.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

You realize one is statistical data from Champion data and the other is a filtered opinion reported for members, yeah?

Thats honestly one of the silliest comparisons I’ve read on this board, and you’ve somehow got a bunch of people buying it.

Statts can be manipulated mate, an do not always show the full picture. An beside a year makes a big difference especially in your 30's.

Some would rate coaches in the know over some app also.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Statts can be manipulated mate, an do not always show the full picture. An beside a year makes a big difference especially in your 30's.

Some would rate coaches in the know over some app also.

Why the hell would Champion Data or the Herald Sun manipulate stats in Hawthorn’s favor?

You think the coaches are being completely honest when they write a paragraph for the club to publish publicly? Wtf.

 

[wahawk]

Statts can be manipulated mate, an do not always show the full picture. An beside a year makes a big difference especially in your 30's.

Some would rate coaches in the know over some app also.

Pretty hard to manipulate a stat where 3 certain players were out marked just 5 times in an entire season.