Preview 2023 Rd 10 Carlton vs Collingwood Sunday May 21 3:20PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in ...


IN: Jordan Boyd
OUT: Alex Cincotta

SUB: Hewett

Ed Curnow has been elevated to the starting 22, while George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

has been confirmed as starting sub.

AFL team news: Boyd back, sub confirmed

Carlton has named its Round 10 team for the clash with Collingwood.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Sam Docherty	Lewis Young	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Mitch McGovern	Jacob Weitering	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Oliver Hollands
Half-forwards:	Ed Curnow	Harry McKay	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Corey Durdin	Charlie Curnow	Jesse Motlop
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Matthew Cottrell	Matthew Kennedy
	Matthew Owies
Sub:	George Hewett
Emergencies:	Alex Cincotta	Tom De Koning	Zac Fisher

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

I watched the flogpies win yesterday, and the biggest surprise of all is that Big Cox has surprisingly turned into a decent footballer.

I am toying with the idea of suggesting playing H in the ruck against Cox. He is roughly the same height, is far more athletic, faster, and has better endurance. H goes wherever Cox goes, negating his marking around the ground/in the goalsquare and then drags him deep into our F50 when the time is right. Pitto can play virtual 2nd ruck/decoy forward. We lose almost nothing by not playing H forward, as his goal kicking confidence is shot to pieces anyway.

People will say H is not good in the ruck. Neither is Cox, but Cox is a pressence around the ground, and H is even more of a threat/better footballer. H is a pretty good defensive player for his size, way better than Cox, who wouldn't have a clue. It might even instill some much needed confidence into big Harry.

It's a radical thought, but I reckon it could just possibly work.

Thoughts folks?

**** YEAH! Great suggestion BB. I really like it, but of course this will never see the light of day.

 

[Benaly28]

The main change id like to see is Kemp in and Gov forward.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Wayne Harmes was asked if he had any advice for our coach and team.

Drop punts. Forget the other stuff.

Keep the plan simple.
Cited Saad kick 60 meters to Charlie who goaled.

Kick the ball FORWARDS. (Thankyou Wayne) None of this backwards sideways stupid stuff (more or less sic)
Watch 198o's videos to remember how simple and good footy can be.

Nice. And Wayne would know.

Harmesey is such a legend, my favourite player, along with the Dominator when I was a kid. Great advice too.

 

[Jimmae]

He was shocking but I wouldn't go that far

When LOB is awful he goes missing, has a couple of miskicks and you don't see him for the day. You may as well have 17 on the park.

At worst Acres was still getting involved in the play. He just couldn't do anything with it

I have more faith in someone who's present but screwing up repeatedly than someone almost completely absent.

The problem I see more than anything with O'Brien is that he's so wide he gets missed in the periphery of players when they're not angled towards the left side of the ground, or they'd hit him up on the switch pretty often.

When he does cut in further, he winds up getting dropped... and he's always seemingly out there playing as the far side switch on the forward wing... the instructions are genuinely bad, and he's been getting them from coaches for years.

Away from that, he's not the strongest physical presence in the modern wing role, but he doesn't avoid the contest. Play him off half-forward and wing swapping with Walsh and you get value out of him. Just tell people to look for him and he'll work into form with 4+ inside 50s a game. He plays off touch and his first couple will tend to be out of whack in his first few games at the level.

His ability to kick flat at pace and kick a 50m goal on the run is sorely lacking from too many in the 22.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Cox is all knees and would be loathe to risk big H against him.

True, I mean how would we go without our Coleman medallist? He is really such a weapon for us up forward, Lol.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

The problem I see more than anything with O'Brien is that he's so wide he gets missed in the periphery of players when they're not angled towards the left side of the ground, or they'd hit him up on the switch pretty often.

When he does cut in further, he winds up getting dropped... and he's always seemingly out there playing as the far side switch on the forward wing... the instructions are genuinely bad, and he's been getting them from coaches for years.

Away from that, he's not the strongest physical presence in the modern wing role, but he doesn't avoid the contest. Play him off half-forward and wing swapping with Walsh and you get value out of him. Just tell people to look for him and he'll work into form with 4+ inside 50s a game. He plays off touch and his first couple will tend to be out of whack in his first few games at the level.

His ability to kick flat at pace and kick a 50m goal on the run is sorely lacking from too many in the 22.

Good post Jim, actually I do agree with all that. But of course, nobody else will.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

**** YEAH! Great suggestion BB. I really like it, but of course this will never see the light of day.

I also think it has merits, but a big no for Pitto, bring in TDK and watch his currency fly.......

 

[BlueBayou]

Cox is all knees and would be loathe to risk big H against him.

So you prefer H contribute nothing but shaky shots at goal, and getting thumped in the back of the head is a better risk than actually playing a mans game like a man?

Why wouldn't H just go at Cox (who is a bully, but mentally weak showpony) and give him an actual football lesson from a player who negates his only physical attribute of being 11ft tall, and actually make Cox defend, around the ground and in F50? Run the big giraffe off his legs.

Imagine the confusion in the Filth box and on Cox's face when H takes the first bounce instead of Pitto.

One of the aphorisms in foooty is 'don't get beaten by what you know'. We know the Flogpies are weak in this area, (Except if Cox is allowed to do as he pleases like on Sunday) and if we can take advantage of it, and perhaps throw their match planning into dissaray for a while, why not?

AND...it might just work

 

[BlueBayou]

I also think it has merits, but a big no for Pitto, bring in TDK and watch his currency fly.......

I'm not convinced TDK has any currency. He seems to be too meek to be a first ruck, too flaky to be a CHF. He reminds me of a baby giraffe, all clumsy arms and legs.

Maybe experiment with playing him as intercept defender, and allow Brackets to play up forward?

We have nothing to loose by chucking the magnets up in the air and see where they land. (within reason, of course, motts to FB could be problematic... )

 

[SurreyBlue]

I didn’t want to post much this week, but I just can’t help myself. I’ve somewhat cooled a little, not much, but here is m2c.

We need to stop focusing on 3 things.
1. Cripps isn’t our only midfield clearance player. Stop tapping the ball his way all the time. The opposition are just holding him out of the contests and feeding on the loose ball. Use the others ffs.
2. Saad isn’t the only player that can or must run the ball out of our backline. Use Docherty, Cinc, Kemp. Break it up.
3. Kick it to Charlie in the forward line at all costs. He is triple teamed and we still kick it to him.
This is our game plan. WTF.

Let’s do this for this game.
1. Docherty to go back. We need his calmness, leadership and disposal back there. Assists Saad.
2. Cripps, Cerra and Walsh starting midfield. Kennedy and Dow to be rotations. Let’s get serious with some run and carry through there and put our best at the coal face.
3. Cincotta to play wing instead of Acres. Acres will kill us with his disposal under the magpie pressure. I’m already sweating just thinking about this.
4. Charlie to play high forward with JSoS rotation and McKay deep for 90% of the time. JSoS needs to be the third wheel between the 2 for most of the time. Our players kicking into F50 need to honour the lead up player.
5. Cottrell to play defensive half forward with 2 smalls - Owies and Durdin. Motlop to be rotation off the bench. 1 of these 2 must always be in the F50 in close proximity to McKay. Stop clearing them all out, they just don’t get back there quick enough.
6. Young to play deep back and Weitering further up. Need to release Weitering.
7. McGovern needs a rocket - back or forward, same old. Replace with Kemp, who shouldn’t have been dropped.

Newman Young Kemp
Docherty Weitering Saad
Cincotta Cripps Hollands
Cottrell Charlie Durdin
Owies McKay JSoS
Pittonet Cerra Walsh
Kennedy Dow Motlop TdK
Sub: Martin

You can work out who is being left out.

Team overall needs to run and create the shorter kick option. We need our players to create space for each other and gives the kicker the option of the shorter leads, by running and spreading. This has been one of our issues, we stand still and don’t offer multiple leads or space. Use the wide side of the ground and open the space. This isn’t the game where we run and handball at all costs. That’s playing into Collingwood’s manic pressure game plan.

 

[Mondyboy]

A lot of people seem to have a 'feeling' about this game but I'm just not feeling that feel.

We don't seem to bounce back like other teams after a bad run. We just continue doing the same thing hoping to 'grow', 'play our way', 'look like us', and get nourished.

It's starting feel (and sound) like the Bolton days all over again.

This.

Aside from maybe Owies (yes, Owies) no-one in that side has the mental fortitude to fight back. They’ll keep trying, but they’ll happily accept mediocrity by saying their improving incrementally.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[windows1]

Changes for next week makes no difference whatsoever.

It’s in their heads.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

I suspect (don’t ‘know’ obviosuly) that there is an enormous amount of fear and imposter syndrome with our team.

I’m very aware of psych advice in these matters. It’s a variant of ‘exposure therapy’. They need to (in their minds) play it all out. Ok so what. You’re not that good. So what? You lose every game. So what? You don’t DIE.

That can work. Diminish the fear around the outcome they’re so worried about.

Then

Switch to making it enjoyable to look to the challenge. Make it fun. Be the lion. Not the gazelle.

 

[Benaly28]

Harmesey is such a legend, my favourite player, along with the Dominator when I was a kid. Great advice too.

Same here.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[windows1]

I see GWS won contested ball by +6, and lost by 65.

Seems like something Voss would be hanging his hat on in similar circumstances (which will probably be this time next week).

I’ve come to the conclusion contested ball is the most useless stat if you can’t kick the ball, other sides are happy for us to win the clearances so we just give it back to them.

When Collingwood get clearances they are out the front gate and flying. Causing havoc.

When we get them it’s handballs out the back and long high bombs.

Massive diff.

 

[windows1]

Reckon he might have a ginger haired running machine within touching distance of him all Sunday afternoon. Matt C doesn't need to do that push and shove rubbish - just try and make him accountable for every possession.

I’d bring Boyd in and make him play on him.

 

[Blue Reaper]

Did he mention anything about 'nourishment' ?

This is all the nourishment needed this week ….

 

[Sector 7G]

When Collingwood get clearances they are out the front gate and flying. Causing havoc.

When we get them it’s handballs out the back and long high bombs.

Massive diff.

They need to not count clearances that result in a turnover. Maybe meters gained from clearance. Raw clearance numbers are not a good measure

 

[Benga]

The problem I see more than anything with O'Brien is that he's so wide he gets missed in the periphery of players when they're not angled towards the left side of the ground, or they'd hit him up on the switch pretty often.

When he does cut in further, he winds up getting dropped... and he's always seemingly out there playing as the far side switch on the forward wing... the instructions are genuinely bad, and he's been getting them from coaches for years.

Away from that, he's not the strongest physical presence in the modern wing role, but he doesn't avoid the contest. Play him off half-forward and wing swapping with Walsh and you get value out of him. Just tell people to look for him and he'll work into form with 4+ inside 50s a game. He plays off touch and his first couple will tend to be out of whack in his first few games at the level.

His ability to kick flat at pace and kick a 50m goal on the run is sorely lacking from too many in the 22.

O’Brien has kicked 16 career goals from 60 games.

I’ll be generous and say a third of those are from 50 on the run, which leaves 5.3 goals.

I’ll again be generous and round that up to 6. So 10%.

So (roughly) twice a year.

I’ve never once, watched a game and thought to myself “gee wiz, if only we had O’Brien out there to bang a goal from 50 on the run, we might have won that”.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Using Harry in the ruck to follow Cox around? Ffs.

Harry is playing well up forward and literally the only thing letting him down is his goal kicking. Keep him where he is, work on his routine all week and allow him to play through this rough patch of form.

He shits me to tears at the best of times but he is a Coleman Medallist for a reason, one of our biggest weapons and if we are to persist with this game style very important to our winning chances. We lack avenues to goal as it is.

Leave the crash and bash to Pitto or give TDK a game.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

The main change id like to see is Kemp in and Gov forward.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Still not sure on Gov up forward, I remember how woeful he was for years up there and he wasn’t even competing with Charlie back then.

I do want to see Kemp in the McGovern role. Allow him to peel off and intercept, and show some offensive flair. He has it in him but I feel he is asked to play quite negative.

 

[TJohn]

Had to put up with Meth head oldest son against the Dogs last week. Youngest son (Pie) not a Meth head just walked in and asked how much we’re goin’ down by this week. Deep Breath. C’mon Carlton.

 

[Gethelred]

Given their form relative to ours, there is every reason for them to go into this game anticipating victory. They possess matchwinners on every line; their midfield replete with options, youthful excuberance and experienced grunt; the defense precise, talented and dangerous; the forward line multifaceted and broad.

We have a fair bit to prove, but then we had a fair bit to prove in the first half last week.

I'm left wondering a bit how admin will react to the pressure that is slowly being brought to bear. Bolton's admin survived for an awful long time without success, but Teague got whacked in his second season. If results don't turn and/or the onfield doesn't see improvement, one takes leave to ponder the time left on the ticking clock, before the ruminations cease to be underground and hypothetical.

Voss needs to produce something. We almost beat them twice last year, and there's no reason Sunday couldn't be that close, or the result reversed. But win or lose, we need to show more than two goals across three terms this weekend.

 

[Wickzki]

Good post Jim, actually I do agree with all that. But of course, nobody else will.

I agree with it too. Teammates lose confidence in him super quickly so it doesn't help that he's as wide as he is. Almost guarantees he's an after thought in their minds even if he's working hard off the ball (those clicks he works up are not a joke)..

I really like the suggestion of playing him half forward. He has the skill set to do so without forcing a square peg in a round hole or taking someone out of their best position (e.g. my and others suggesting Saad given our HB depth) and it would essentially force him into the play substantially more than the wide winger role does.

Good post Jimmae

 

[Blue1980]

Given their form relative to ours, there is every reason for them to go into this game anticipating victory. They possess matchwinners on every line; their midfield replete with options, youthful excuberance and experienced grunt; the defense precise, talented and dangerous; the forward line multifaceted and broad.

We have a fair bit to prove, but then we had a fair bit to prove in the first half last week.

I'm left wondering a bit how admin will react to the pressure that is slowly being brought to bear. Bolton's admin survived for an awful long time without success, but Teague got whacked in his second season. If results don't turn and/or the onfield doesn't see improvement, one takes leave to ponder the time left on the ticking clock, before the ruminations cease to be underground and hypothetical.

Voss needs to produce something. We almost beat them twice last year, and there's no reason Sunday couldn't be that close, or the result reverse. But win or lose, we need to show more than two goals across three terms this weekend.

Bolton got 3.5 years and Teague 2.5, not radically different.

I did think Teague was a bit hard done by at the time, we had a new coach bump under him, like we had one under Voss.

We never looked like we had a coherent plan under Teague, we have at times with Voss, I can see what we are trying to do, it’s just not working at the moment, and think isn’t going to work (this slow stodgy, heavily contested game plan).

 

[BlueBayou]

Using Harry in the ruck to follow Cox around? Ffs.

Harry is playing well up forward and literally the only thing letting him down is his goal kicking. Keep him where he is, work on his routine all week and allow him to play through this rough patch of form.

He shits me to tears at the best of times but he is a Coleman Medallist for a reason, one of our biggest weapons and if we are to persist with this game style very important to our winning chances. We lack avenues to goal as it is.

Leave the crash and bash to Pitto or give TDK a game.

'the only thing letting him down is his goal kicking'... err which is the point of him playing forward, right? Kicking the thing between the big sticks is the point of the game. This is the same logic as ' the only thing stopping us being on top is not winning'..... FFS

Harry is not playing well up forward, he is playing well when he roams up the ground and takes marks down the line, chases and harrasses....sort of like a ruckman...

Coleman medalist with 50ish goals for the year, not exactly Peter Hudson is he? How many for this year? About 7 or 8?, I'd guess.

Change is needed, tactical advantage is needed, a different look and gameplan are needed. This is but one suggestion.