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Will Clayton Oliver join the Adelaide Crows?

  • Clayton Oliver WILL be traded to the Adelaide Crows

    Votes: 56 33.3%

  • Clayton Oliver will be traded, but NOT to the Adelaide Crows

    Votes: 31 18.5%

  • Clayton Oliver will not be traded

    Votes: 81 48.2%
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adelaidecrows said:
Nah, Melbourne want picks. They dont want our players excluding McAdam. Remember, they are the ones who put Clarry on the market to begin with. We have just been linked. We will just have to give them picks. The only question is how many. If we need to trade a player out it will be to another team for them to then trade that pick to Melbourne. Melbourne have no salary cap to want expensive players from us.
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i agree their target is reid and i know they also want lynch not fog or thil

the only risk is if they cant get lynch thry may ask for fog on top of everything else, we say no and offer gollant as steak knives

but better still offer elliott as steak knives
 
crow2crow said:
do you honestly think anyone puts their head in the hole like he does without taking drugs these days? we need to decide how bad we want a flag. drug use is rife in AFL and they dont take stopping it seriously. ffs he sounds like he's stoned whenever i've heard him talk.

heavy illicit drug taking created the best music ever written not just rock/pop but also classical

it got west coast 4 premierships and it will go on and on... its a big moment for us.

ps im anti drugs but this is just the facts if you want to win
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To be clear I am saying If Oliver has had 2 drug strikes and Dees are aware of this - quite possibly he reason they are letting a top 10 player in the league go - would you still want him? One further strike and he is suspended from the game (not sure of exact punishments)

we would be absolutely stupid to offer 1m/year for multiple years for a player on his last chance. Do you not agree?
 
hippyhippy said:
Well at this stage... I think Oliver definitely won't be at MFC next year... that seems certain at this stage. The silence is kinda giving away the story. MFC aren't even bothering to give a half arsed fluff statement saying he's a contracted required player etc. It must be pretty broken if the can't even give a f***... The question remains whether or not we can land him.

Feels similar to that while stringer saga...
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Stringer had a major reported issue when leaving Bullies with how do I best say it….”family dynamics” with home visits involved. Serious stuff. And had never achieved anything relative to Oliver,

my concern is (1) why the real reasons for the fall out, (2) what don’t we know (eg possible drug strikes)
 

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To be clear I am saying If Oliver has had 2 drug strikes and Dees are aware of this - quite possibly he reason they are letting a top 10 player in the league go - would you still want him? One further strike and he is suspended from the game (not sure of exact punishments)

we would be absolutely stupid to offer 1m/year for multiple years for a player on his last chance. Do you not agree?
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totally agree
but my point is how many other players have been suddenly banned from the game for three strikes? any?

there was the keefe/thomas but that was bit different and long time ago with drug use spiralling since then.
 
NYRB said:
Id probably say Oliver would be higher than that just purely because he is in the peak of his powers and the Carey trade was more of a 'hope' for something good for a year or two.

Oliver elevates the Crows to premiership chances straight away.

Right now id say its about 50:50 if the Crows make the Finals next year. (without Oliver)
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Don’t be silly. Carey was the goat who needed a fresh start and had just had a year off to heal his shoulder

The expectations were through the roof and into a new galaxy
 
Large 1 said:
This board reminds me a lonely guy who has just been hit up by a “Victorian secret model” on Tinder.

Sure it is most likely a catfish who will fleece us of our savings, but we are willing to forget that in the slight chance we could have a hot date with a beautiful woman who is contacting us because our picture of a slightly overweight middle-aged man is actually “her thing”.
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best post extremely funny
 
Golumless said:
I think you move Pedlar on long before you consider Fogarty. Ditto Michalanny. Nothing against either, however we live and die on our forward line in this window regardless what occurs with Oliver and forward lines are driven by their key forwards. It also leaves open to move Thilthorpe to ruck, if we're infatuated with the idea of having the next Grundy.

Really, the only untradable players would be Thilthorpe, Rankine, Dawson, Rachele and Fogarty.

As much as he has a contract lasting until free agency, a standout option if this comes down to moving a top-tier kid on would be Soligo.
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none of them

high picks and fringe players only or its no deal
 
Newspapers this morning- select passages from long article

www.theage.com.au

Demons fans are flabbergasted, but here’s why Melbourne would at least consider trading Oliver

Clayton Oliver is one of the best players in the AFL, and he’s contracted for seven years, why would his name even be being considered as a potential trade?
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au

Demons fans are flabbergasted, but here’s why Melbourne would at least consider trading Oliver​


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Oliver had a tough year enduring his first real longer-term injury. He was forced to miss 10 games with a hamstring and made his frustrations about that clear. He enjoyed a good relationship with former Demons fitness boss Darren Burgess during his time at Melbourne, but Burgess has since moved to Adelaide.

Club sources and those familiar with Oliver’s situation who do not wish to comment publicly because of the sensitivity of discussions, said Adelaide was the main club (but there are others) now seriously exploring the possibility of being able to secure Oliver. What would it take in a trade sense? Can we afford his contract? Do we want him?

The Crows were inevitably going to be a club tied to a possible Oliver deal because their player, Shane McAdam, had already asked for a trade to the Demons, but there are others. They are also linked because of Burgess, who has worked with Oliver.
Conceivably, a trade that had as its nucleus the Crows’ first draft pick, which is currently nine, and McAdam - and then other draft picks involved - could develop into an offer that could tempt Melbourne. But it would only tempt Melbourne if they could in turn use it tempt West Coast to trade pick one. A big if. Or even if North Melbourne were prepared to trade pick two. Another big if.
Also, if it is accepted that Melbourne have not just had enough of Oliver and want him out regardless - and Melbourne has said that is not the case - then they would have to look at a deal like that.
Then Oliver has to agree. He only signed his seven-year deal last year so is well within his rights to say too bad I am staying put.






Quite whether Oliver and his army are here to stay or will be anywhere but here today is precisely the question. Not the one Elvis Costello asked but certainly the one Demons fans are asking.

The first message arrived in the inbox quickly, and to the point. “Say it ain’t so.”

The next came moments later: “Surely Clarry is going nowhere.”

Clayton Oliver’s army of Demon fans were flabbergasted. The idea that the club could even countenance trading one of the best players in the competition was breathtaking. But they are, and they should be.

Melbourne’s response to the question about Oliver’s future is a dead bat. Unofficially other clubs say they are not hearing the same thing and there might be edges to that dead bat.

Clubs believe Oliver is available for a trade. Some believe he will only be traded if the deal is right, others believe Melbourne are heading down a path where it will be unlikely Oliver will remain.

The first and most obvious question is why? Why would Melbourne wish to part with one of the best players in the competition?

Primarily, there is a deep frustration at Melbourne at the moment. They are frustrated with Oliver and his professionalism. They are also deeply frustrated that they feel they let a flag slip this year. This has prompted introspection about the list and the football program and added pragmatism and ruthlessness to their decision-making.


That ruthlessness means they are more open to consider the previously unthinkable.
Oliver signed a seven-year deal last year worth more than $7 million. Since then, they have gone out of the finals again in straights.
The Luke Jackson trade to Freo last year and the Dockers subsequent poor season has left the Demons with an unexpectedly early draft pick this year. (You will recall part of the Jackson trade was that Melbourne received the Dockers’ first pick in this year’s draft. That has turned out to be the valuable pick five as things stand).

Melbourne wonder if part of an Oliver trade - a top-10 pick - could be paired with pick five to turn it into an elite player in the draft.
Harley Reid has emerged this year not only as the certain No. 1 draft pick but one who looks like a generational player.
It has also become clear that Reid would prefer to stay in Victoria if he could. West Coast, with the first pick in the draft, are also aware that the state of their list is such that multiple very good picks in the draft might benefit them as much as one excellent pick who is a flight risk and could leave in a few years.

So, Reid is a tantalising possibility if the Demons could manufacture at least one other top 10 draft pick to pair with pick five to tempt the Eagles.

Now that doesn’t mean you immediately start throwing out your best players. And the Demons insist that is not what they are doing with Oliver.
But there is also a reason why Oliver’s name has come up as opposed to other high-value Melbourne players. Questions have been raised over some of his off-field behaviour.
Oliver had a tough year enduring his first real longer-term injury. He was forced to miss 10 games with a hamstring and made his frustrations about that clear. He enjoyed a good relationship with former Demons fitness boss Darren Burgess during his time at Melbourne, but Burgess has since moved to Adelaide.

Club sources and those familiar with Oliver’s situation who do not wish to comment publicly because of the sensitivity of discussions, said Adelaide was the main club (but there are others) now seriously exploring the possibility of being able to secure Oliver. What would it take in a trade sense? Can we afford his contract? Do we want him?

Some clubs have sounded out their senior players whether Oliver would be a good fit for them. Players invariably know more than the clubs do about different opposition players from having played with and against them as juniors and then AFL level and having seen them socially.
The Crows were inevitably going to be a club tied to a possible Oliver deal because their player, Shane McAdam, had already asked for a trade to the Demons, but there are others. They are also linked because of Burgess, who has worked with Oliver.
Conceivably, a trade that had as its nucleus the Crows’ first draft pick, which is currently nine, and McAdam - and then other draft picks involved - could develop into an offer that could tempt Melbourne. But it would only tempt Melbourne if they could in turn use it tempt West Coast to trade pick one. A big if. Or even if North Melbourne were prepared to trade pick two. Another big if.
Also, if it is accepted that Melbourne have not just had enough of Oliver and want him out regardless - and Melbourne has said that is not the case - then they would have to look at a deal like that.
Then Oliver has to agree. He only signed his seven-year deal last year so is well within his rights to say too bad I am staying put.

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Melbourne and Clayton Oliver at the crossroads​

All anyone connected with the discussions will say behind cupped hands is that that is what all parties are doing - exploring it.
Now if you are Melbourne and you can trade Oliver effectively for Reid and some more draft picks, remove more than $1 million a year from your salary cap for the next six years while in the first three of those years you would be paying a kid the mandated AFL salary, you would have to consider it.
Bear in mind the Demons will also trade Brodie Grundy to Sydney, James Jordon will move to the Swans as a free agent and James Harmes also wants a trade. So, suddenly, the Demons could open up more than $2 million in salary cap space next year, which creates opportunities for a free-agency plunge next off season.
There is logic to all of this, but it is only logical if you divorce yourself from romance and get your head around the idea that it is counter-intuitively a good thing to trade one of the best players in the competition.
 

probably already posted. not quite through 80 pages of Oliver stuff in the last day or 2…

Is Clayton Oliver being hung out as trade bait by Melbourne as a shock tactic to make him realise he is not as untouchable as he thinks?
Or have they realised he will never change after more than a season of rumblings about his off-field behaviour and are actually prepared to follow through?

The AFL’s clubs are split on that question, with some saying if the Demons are prepared to flick him their boards would want countless hours of due diligence before even considering a trade.

So, which clubs might consider a trade – and what would they give up?


ADELAIDE​

The Crows are already in talks with the Demons over Shane McAdam’s attempt to don the red and blue next season, so why not expand the discussions further.

The Herald Sun understands they are interested, but would need to put in a huge amount of due diligence.

Would a new environment in a new state give Oliver the scope to get back to his best, potentially reuniting with high performance boss Darren Burgess?

The Crows would need to give up their prized pick 9 but importantly have three picks inside the top 24. If you were to throw in McAdam as part of any deal, either Darcy Fogarty or Riley Thilthorpe could also be in the trade mix. On the evidence of 2023, Adelaide looks one really good mid away from being in the premiership mix.
 

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The reality has sunk in for Melbourne and superstar onballer Clayton Oliver.
As brilliant as the midfielder has been over his first eight seasons, Oliver is not an indispensable commodity to the red and blue.
The suggestion on Tuesday that he could be traded over the next fortnight sent shockwaves through the AFL industry.
Surely, Melbourne fans all groaned, the club wouldn’t boot out one of the best five players in the competition? A four-time best-and-fairest winner.
One of Melbourne’s greatest ever players and he has only reached the halfway point of his career.
But here is the brutal truth facing the club and its sublime onballer.
In the 10 games without him this season between rounds 11 and 21, Melbourne still won seven of them.
And while the Demons will say publicly they do not want to trade him, their ears will be most certainly open when clubs start to meet next week if this hasn’t been ironed out across the weekend.
It is Melbourne’s Dusty moment. A similar point in time to when the Tigers paused on a new deal for Dustin Martin when he went up to the GWS Giants for a look around in 2013.

Perhaps this line-in-the-sand moment will be something of an awakening for Oliver. Jesse Hogan switched clubs twice before the penny dropped for the key forward.

Melbourne seems to be taking a hard stance on its playing ranks as it strives to overcome the disappointment of straight sets finals exit over the past two seasons, and achieve its premiership potential.

The sweet spot is now, but the club is at risk of wasting it. Jake Lever said it himself amid the devastation in the rooms after the semi-final loss to Carlton.

The Dees have blown it two years in a row playing a style which stacks up. Contest and defence. Tick tick.

But Oliver has been inconsistent with his attitude at times, and the club has decided not to look the other way. It needs him all-in on the standards which drive the club.

He is, after all, one of its top-two highest-paid players, along with Christian Petracca.

The smoke and mirrors around Oliver’s off-field lifestyle are hard to decipher, and the Demons won’t talk about it. They are not returning calls.

Over the past 48 hours they have told other clubs they do not want to trade him.

But what if the Saints or the Bombers or the Cats put a couple of first-round draft picks on the table and a tall who needs some opportunity?

The food for thought is, at least behind the scenes, real to a point.

Melbourne may not rule out a trade, but this fire that is burning at the moment could be a good thing in the long-term.

Melbourne is ripping the Band-Aid off its Oliver issue.

It is no secret there are some significant improvements he can make in his professionalism and commitment to the game.

His manager, Nick Gieschen, was there from the start of the journey when Oliver once had McDonald’s for breakfast before the last game he played before he was drafted.

The deal he signed in June last year was one of the biggest in the game’s history. But Oliver needs to live up to his end of the bargain now.

And while he has been an excellent teammate at times, and has played some incredible football, there is a gap between his best and worst.

Some of the behaviour and body language around the hamstring strain, and the fitness test where he blew up at the fitness boss earlier this year, was only a small insight.

The grumblings have become a full-blown growl off the field.

Melbourne has nurtured Oliver behind the scenes. They have helped him, developed him, supported him to reach the pinnacle of the game, together, winning the 2021 premiership.

There was a selflessness about the Demons’ midfield in the back half of 2021.

It was the best of Oliver, and on the back of the flag the club signed him to a seven-year deal worth up to $1.3 million a year following the Total Player Payment increases.

Huge investment. Superstar player. Happy marriage, or so it seemed.

The ultimate upshot now is that the player and club are at odds, to some degree. Not only Oliver and the coaches and staff, but also Oliver and his peers. The other players. The leaders.

Most importantly, the Demons need him to commit to a lifestyle and a professionalism that will not only help keep him on track, but support the club’s mission to have more success.


For these next few days, Melbourne and Oliver will take some time to assess the lay of the land.

What does Oliver want to do? Are other clubs genuinely keen? Can a deal even be done?

Rivals would need a spare million dollars in the salary cap and a couple of first-round choices.

And for now, the Demons are telling rivals there is no trade. Not officially, anyway.

But it won’t stop them picking up the phone over the next week and double checking.

The ball is really in Oliver’s court.

Melbourne will keep him if he is ready to make some changes and commit to the standards they require to capitalise on their premiership aspirations.

But the club has shown before, when it traded Hogan, that it is happy to make a hard call.

A trade would still be a huge gamble, and a massive risk if he kicks on elsewhere.

Rarely do top-five players in the competition get dangled like a carrot.

But this is a game of tiny margins. They lost two big finals by a whisker.

The execution was off.

Maybe the midfield cohesion and synergy had suffered at times this season. Shrewd observers said their play had become more selfish, more one-dimensional.

Melbourne missed targets and skewed shots when it mattered.

And now the club looks fully prepared to make a hard call or two.

There is upside in Oliver committing to the professional standards the club requires, and it can help elevate him over the remainder of his career to a new level.
 
Cap said:
If they have room for a $1m player given all the other players they are targeting, I'd be asking Geelong type questions.
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Losing Wines salary of 800k would pay the majority if it but can’t see it happening. Ports midfield is already exceptional, it’s all the rest of the field they need to fix
 
From The Australian (anther Newscorp paper) so possibly not much new content in here with syndicated articles etc. do love the headline though “Is Oliver the final piece of Crows flag puzzle” - getting the warm fuzzies that Powaa fans normally feel at this stage of the year :)


AFL 2023: Adelaide open to trade for Clayton Oliver


Adelaide would explore a deal for Clayton Oliver if the Demons officially put him on the trade table despite reservations about his monster contract and off-field behaviour.
The Crows are one of multiple clubs who would start a significant period of due diligence if the Demons committed to exploring a trade.

Clubs are unsure if the Demons are truly prepared to trade Oliver or are only hanging him out as trade bait to shock him into changing his behaviour.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times
But the Crows believe his strong connection with their fitness boss Darren Burgess, formerly at Melbourne, is a factor that would see him consider a move interstate.

They are also desperate for a star midfielder of his ilk to round out their onball unit, which has young rising stars but needs a pure stoppage beast.

The Crows would need to conduct a significant background check on Oliver to ensure his issues were capable of being rectified given Melbourne’s own concerns

They are also aware of the huge scope of his deal and would need board approval to even consider a move to sign him.

Matthew Nicks is expected to sign a new two-year extension ahead of round 1, so the Crows’ desire to bolster their midfield is part of a gradual evolution of their list rather than a quick fix.

But Adelaide has picks 9, 21 and 24 in this year’s draft, will secure a compensation pick for departing free agent Tom Doedee and already has Shane McAdam joining the Demons on a three-year deal.

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All_In said:
There is now a suggestion he (CO) might be involved in the Ollie Wines trade to Geelong, and heading to port....

Surly not!
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You listen to 5AA?

Just one bloke who is a bit jealous trying to big note themselves.


You have to wonder the calibre of person who calls a radio station at 545am to make such shit up......


Even the host was trying not to laugh.

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SEN Gary Lyon just saying he is uncertain whether he stays or goes. Issues between player and club not seemingly insurmountable in his view (but individuals like Oliver may feel differently about that). He said it’s a real story and not a media beat up.

Watson mentioned the Burgess connection and said there is talk that Crows may be his club of choice.

Lyon not sure if there was a meeting with the Board last night to discuss the issue (I am not sure I believe that from Gazza)

ultimately if he leaves I reckon we grab him - which would be massive. Dees could be just giving him the ultimate kick up the butt though…

EDIT they talked further and Lyon said Oliver hadnt walked away from the club and communication lines are still open.

also they discussed the injury issues during the year being seemingly the major issue here. Oliver ended up going outside of clubs medicos which I assume he has lost faith in them. This could be a MAJOR selling point - one of our only true competitive advantages- taking injured players and offering the Burgess miracle. Similar to what Lions have offered to induce many players in recent years including Daniher and Mc Carthy

Watson mentioned Petty wanting to go home to Crows (now) but Lyon saying he won’t be going anywhere from his understanding and still has 2 years left
 
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Funny how during the long term hamstring injury any claims of off field behaviour was shot down by the media.


Now off field issues are being hinted at by the Vic media Mafia,



Totally plausible Oliver had his hamstring misdiagnosed and mishandled at the Dees.

We had the same issues here with players before Burgess. Two week hammy turning into two month injuries.


Oliver knows how important his body is, and seems to trust Burgess given the mismanagement last year.



Have we had any hamstring issues at all with Burgess here?






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119others said:
To be clear I am saying If Oliver has had 2 drug strikes and Dees are aware of this - quite possibly he reason they are letting a top 10 player in the league go - would you still want him? One further strike and he is suspended from the game (not sure of exact punishments)

we would be absolutely stupid to offer 1m/year for multiple years for a player on his last chance. Do you not agree?
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Doesn’t a second strike need to be made public?
 
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