Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[Aphrodite]

 

[Maverick000]

Twomey seems to be taking joy in hating on us this year. Over the past few months he has been really condescending and laughs at us at every opportunity on gettable. There's a clear attitude shift, I reckon someone's pissed him off at the club.

Filth supporter. Been like this for years, I remember calling into his show years back when he was suggesting pick 5 was suitable for Marchbank


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[zeggie]

Who is the "salary dump" player we're apparently interested in and referred to a few times?

 

[Sam The Doc]

Twomey seems to be taking joy in hating on us this year. Over the past few months he has been really condescending and laughs at us at every opportunity on gettable. There's a clear attitude shift, I reckon someone's pissed him off at the club.

The media are as bad as ever. We've been all over it without anything ever looking close to happening..

 

[SurreyBlue]

Matt Kennedy, no taker has emerged so is likely to return to Carlton. Similar with Lewis Young." @CalTwomey

— AFL Trade Radio (@traderadio) October 9, 2024

This is just totally incorrect and once again highlights Twomey's hate for anything CFC. Flog.

 

[CoachB]

How do you know we haven't done this with SDK, Leek and Balta all coming ooc next year? Need to work with what's available.

Port "improvised"? By what, bringing in potatoes like Zerk-Thatcher and Esava?

We have bigger holes to plug than a second KPD... midfield and small forwards. Like I mentioned previously, if a second KPD was our biggest worry why were we down 60-0 despite Young doing a good job?

Scoring was not the problem in 2024

Carlton's 2024 Scoring Summary​

Goals: 331
Behinds: 325
Total Points: 2311

Year	Goals	Behinds	Total Points
2023	306	296	2132
2022	268	249	1857
2021	226	214	1570
2020	149	138	1032
2019	265	242	1832
2018	208	223	1471
2017	249	242	1736
2016	274	256	1900
2015	226	229	1585
2014	267	246	1848
2013	320	259	2179
2012	316	280	2176
2011	334	293	2297
2010	305	265	2095
2009	293	270	2028
2008	286	270	1986
2007	283	267	1965
2006	290	246	1986
2005	257	248	1790
2004	275	238	1888

Of course we don't know whether we will pull a rabbit out of the hat in the next couple of days..but looks highly unlikely. Our back 6 has been set up to rebound more than lock down key forwards. It has allowed teams to take advantage when we get beaten in the middle. Agree we need to change the midfield a bit, but if you look at the difference between TDK v Pitto the midfield is less about new personnel (albeit we need some foot speed)
BTW Port made the Prelim in case you missed it, with the potato's.

 

[Stamos]

This is just totally incorrect and once again highlights Twomey's hate for anything CFC. Flog.

Who's the taker?

 

[Arr0w]

Scoring was not the problem in 2024

Year	Goals	Behinds	Total Points
2023	306	296	2132
2022	268	249	1857
2021	226	214	1570
2020	149	138	1032
2019	265	242	1832
2018	208	223	1471
2017	249	242	1736
2016	274	256	1900
2015	226	229	1585
2014	267	246	1848
2013	320	259	2179
2012	316	280	2176
2011	334	293	2297
2010	305	265	2095
2009	293	270	2028
2008	286	270	1986
2007	283	267	1965
2006	290	246	1986
2005	257	248	1790
2004	275	238	1888

1 extra game, but I agree not a problem as such, we just need to be less predictable

 

[Arr0w]

Certainly amusing

Player X gone, no staying, etc, etc

I'm sure Austin is all over it

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Who is the "salary dump" player we're apparently interested in and referred to a few times?

Matthew Owies

 

[ferrisb]

Twomey seems to be taking joy in hating on us this year.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Same, although slow players are probably on the nose these days.

If we don't move the ball faster next year we're going to be uncompetitive.

If anyone moves the ball too slowly, too often, they're uncompetitive!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

And if we are getting no bites with Kennedy, Young or Owies, then it's going to be difficult to satisfy Port.

Impossible without two firsts I would imagine.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Certainly amusing

Player X gone, no staying, etc, etc

I'm sure Austin is all over it

Even other clubs, the Oliver stuff is hilarious...

 

[Blue since 72]

How do we get 11 or 13 & keep our F1?

But it seems apparent Port won't accept one first rounder only and we're not giving them ours this year.

 

[Michael Jezz]

What you don't want is losing next years First & Second Rounder, Downgrading this years first rounder and bringing in Houston.
If that is what we do, I am calling it now- AN EPIC FAIL

 

[Blue since 72]

If anyone moves the ball too slowly, too often, they're uncompetitive!

Correct but of the teams competing for a GF shot we seem to be one of the best at it.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

But it seems apparent Port won't accept one first rounder only and we're not giving them ours this year.

Exactly - can’t see how we make them happy without coughing up 12 & at very least this years’ 2nd.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

If Houston is real he should put his chips in and nominate a club.

And **** over port? He's looking after his current employer. The employer he may still be playing for next season too. He's doing the right thing by him and port.

 

[Monty1978]

I hope we learn from this. We signed Cottrell for 3 years in March, Durdin and Boyd for 2 years in May, Fog for 2 years in June.

I know we probably got them all for bottom dollar but we do limit ourselves to re-signing our fringe players so early and for multi year deals.

Not saying they didn't deserve contracts (though I would delist Durdin before Owies and Carroll) just that the rush to do it carries risk.

No other club would offer Cotts 3 years. Hes the type of player that should be on a 1-2 year contract. Durdin wouldn't be on a list in 2025 if he hadn't signed that deal. Boyd worth 1 year. Fog I'm happy with 2 but even he could be 1.

Today agree …. How those players got those contracts is beyond me even if they were minimal , add young and pitto contract to that aswell

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Interesting on Kennedy. Would've thought someone would be keen on him.

Not surprised on Lewis.

Kennedy fulfills that second string midfielder spot at every club. No club would he be first choice.

So then - why ? With a salary cap you want turnover in spots that are quickest to develop and stability in other spots. That second stringer can just as easily.and more effectively.be filled by a 19/20 year old who you are getting ready to step into the first rotation one day. For less capital and salary cost than Kennedy.

I think he's basically valueless on the open market because of that. Thick of it like an oppos list manager I guess....
Sure he can play midfield but why do I want him taking minutes off the group of sub 21 year Olds etc.

It's interesting because that relationship was in a bad way - good on both sides for seemingly not burning the bridge/ repairing it.

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

And **** over port? He's looking after his current employer. The employer he may still be playing for next season too. He's doing the right thing by him and port.

Do you think Gibbs *** us over when nominating the Crows?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Twomey seems to be taking joy in hating on us this year. Over the past few months he has been really condescending and laughs at us at every opportunity on gettable. There's a clear attitude shift, I reckon someone's pissed him off at the club.

He's been like this since sos and the rebuild started imo.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Scoring was not the problem in 2024

Carlton's 2024 Scoring Summary​

Goals: 331
Behinds: 325
Total Points: 2311

Year	Goals	Behinds	Total Points
2023	306	296	2132
2022	268	249	1857
2021	226	214	1570
2020	149	138	1032
2019	265	242	1832
2018	208	223	1471
2017	249	242	1736
2016	274	256	1900
2015	226	229	1585
2014	267	246	1848
2013	320	259	2179
2012	316	280	2176
2011	334	293	2297
2010	305	265	2095
2009	293	270	2028
2008	286	270	1986
2007	283	267	1965
2006	290	246	1986
2005	257	248	1790
2004	275	238	1888

Of course we don't know whether we will pull a rabbit out of the hat in the next couple of days..but looks highly unlikely. Our back 6 has been set up to rebound more than lock down key forwards. It has allowed teams to take advantage when we get beaten in the middle. Agree we need to change the midfield a bit, but if you look at the difference between TDK v Pitto the midfield is less about new personnel (albeit we need some foot speed)
BTW Port made the Prelim in case you missed it, with the potato's.

So you can't answer the question...

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Do you think Gibbs *** us over when nominating the Crows?

No because we had an exceptional situation in which their list boss came out and basically nominated Gibbs hinself so we still had huge leverage. Houston nominates and port have far less bargaining power due to Carltons repeated openly stated preference of taking picks to the draft.

Completely different really.