List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[TheLastEmperor]

I've watched a lot of WC this year and followed Gaff's career. He doesn't strike me as a poor kick at all. He's a bit of a Robert Harvey kick. Doesn't have a lot of penetration but regularly hits up targets with nice 30-40 metre passes. He also plays the game in a similar fashion to Harves and Shane Crawford but obviously not to their high level. Still only 21 years old with his best footy ahead of him. It's a tick from me.

 

[dewah07]

Stanley where do you get the clanger stats from?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Andrew Gaff DE/Clangers count
Round 11: 27 disposals (14 kicks/13 handballs) @85.2% - 3 clangers
Round 10: 26 disposals (17 kicks/9 handballs) @88.5% - 0 clangers
Round 9: Bye
Round 8: 15 disposals (11 kick/4 handballs) @86.7% - 1 clanger
Round 7: 18 disposals (11 kicks/7 handballs) @75.2% - 1 clanger
Round 6: 20 disposals (13 kicks/7 handballs) @75% - 1 clanger
Round 5: 24 disposals (17 kicks/7 handballs) @58.3% - 2 clangers
Round 4: 24 disposals (13 kicks/11 handballs) @70.8% - 4 clangers
Round 3: 25 disposal (14 kicks/14 handballs) @95% - 2 clangers
Round 2: 31 disposals (17 kicks/14 handbals) @77.4% - 5 clangers
Round 1: 23 disposals (12 kicks/11 handballs) @91.3% - 1 clanger

Well that goes a long way to busting the myth he's a turnover king. High kick to handball ratio too.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Stanley where do you get the clanger stats from?

AFL.com.au

 

[MightySaint]

i really dislike gaff. he's not up to it IMO

Glad i'm not the only one. Being as outside as he is Gaff needs to be a line breaker and I don't see that at all. Pedestrian.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Well that goes a long way to busting the myth he's a turnover king. High kick to handball ratio too.

Yeah I haven't seen a lot of him, but I was always under the impression that he was very clean by foot and that that and his epic endurance were clearly his main strengths.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Yeah I haven't seen a lot of him, but I was always under the impression that he was very clean by foot and that that and his epic endurance were clearly his main strengths.

No issue with foot skills from my observations. Endurance absolutely elite, as you mentioned. The only knocks I can think of him is his kicking lacks punch and he's very 'outside' without much scope to improve his inside game, IMO. Struggled a little with a tag last year as well but seemed to slowly work through it.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Would anyone here consider Jeremy Taylor from Gold Coast? a defender and can't get a game for some obvious reasons (loaded with talent..) he was Pick 39 from the Geelong Falcons in the 2010 draft 191cm/90kg.

You'd probably get him as a delisted free agent or pretty cheap in a trade has the talent but probably a no go with our amount of half back types? question marks over Robbo's ankle could be a good insurance type for him.. While we slowly turn into the St Kilda Suns

 

[Periphery]

While we slowly turn into the St Kilda Suns

And when we get Patton and Shiel we can be the 'Greater Western St Kilda Suns'. GWSKS would make a nice monogram.

 

[gringo2011]

Gaff was outstanding against us one night. I remember Ross Lyon suggested he was a "special talent" after that. He ripped up the game. I have always rated him since that but don't see much of the coasters.

 

[HayesTheChamp]

his biggest issue is being soft in contested situations and not being able to battle through a tag. He's solid in almost every other area imo.

 

[hayes]

Gaff was outstanding against us one night. I remember Ross Lyon suggested he was a "special talent" after that. He ripped up the game. I have always rated him since that but don't see much of the coasters.

2011 I think it was. We got out to a big lead and Gaff almost single handedly brought them back! He's got class there's no doubt about it but can't win his own ball. Would take him but lack of contested game is a worry.

 

[gringo2011]

his biggest issue is being soft in contested situations and not being able to battle through a tag. He's solid in almost every other area imo.

At 21 he still could over come that though.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

David Armitage for GWS Compo
Sam Gilbert + Round 2 pick for GCS Compo + Lonergan
Pick 1 (Say we have it) for Shiel + Patton/Boyd
Andrew Gaff PSD

So we gain two first round compos, Jesse Lonergan, Andrew Gaff, Dylan Shiel and Patton/Boyd
Lose David Armitage, Sam GILBERT, 2nd round pick

Now i need to stop making stupid trades that would never ever come true, time to stop dreaming..

Under 25's team
FB: Jimmy Webster, Josh Bruce, Dylan Roberton
HB: Nathan Wright, Luke Delaney, Cameron Shenton
C: Andrew Gaff, Luke Dunstan, Jack Newnes
HF: Jack Billings, Patton/Boyd, Eli Templeton
FF: Jack Steven, Spencer White, Tom Lee
R: Tom Hickey, Dylan Shiel, Jesse Lonergan
INT: Tom Curren, Josh Saunders, Blake Acres, Seb Ross

Reserves: GWS 1st round compo, GCS 1st round compo, Arryn Siposs, Shane Savage, Daniel Markworth, Rhys Stanley, Billy Longer, Brodie Murdoch, Tom Simpkin, Sam Dunell, Maverick Weller, Darren Minchington etc.

Seriously St Kilda appoint me

 

[gringo2011]

David Armitage for GWS Compo
Sam Gilbert + Round 2 pick for GCS Compo + Lonergan
Pick 1 (Say we have it) for Shiel + Patton/Boyd
Andrew Gaff PSD

So we gain two first round compos, Jesse Lonergan, Andrew Gaff, Dylan Shiel and Patton/Boyd
Lose David Armitage, Sam Fisher, 2nd round pick

Now i need to stop making stupid trades that would never ever come true, time to stop dreaming..

I especially like the one where we swap Fisher when they thought they were getting Gilbert. That would be some special trade period though.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I especially like the one where we swap Fisher when they thought they were getting Gilbert. That would be some special trade period though.

We can be sneaky.

 

[Periphery]

Fisher to GWS for their 3rd as a player/coach.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Fisher to GWS for their 3rd as a player/coach.

Free Agent though, so he heads for free. Unless he does still head up as a FA and the AFL give us some sort of compo, but might be a bit unlikely IMO to get him to move they'd have to pay him something that would net us a compo surely?

 

[Periphery]

Free Agent though, so he heads for free. Unless he does still head up as a FA and the AFL give us some sort of compo, but might be a bit unlikely IMO to get him to move they'd have to pay him something that would net us a compo surely?

Damnit I forgot about FA. I have no idea about the compo but I doubt the AFL would be giving much/anything for a 1 year contract to a 32 year old. Is there any free agent deals we can compare it to?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Damnit I forgot about FA. I have no idea about the compo but I doubt the AFL would be giving much/anything for a 1 year contract to a 32 year old. Is there any free agent deals we can compare it to?

Nah i don't think so, if he did leave (i think he'll retire) we wouldn't get anything. I don't think he is that interested in football anymore seems a lot more into golf.

 

[Mister E]

I was just remembering in Ross Lyon's last year he mentioned that if he could've taken anyone in the draft the previous year he would've taken Dion Prestia. At the time that struck me as odd because he didn't seem anything special...but he's really starting to blossom...any chance for a return to Victoria ?

 

[ike2112]

Yeah, I'm just not feeling it at anything under 195cm (yes, yes, Barrels...). Yes, Roo is RECORDED as the same height, but he is probably much taller than that, and is a very unusual player who has played in a very different era for most of his career.

And even now you could argue he's still a little short/small for a FF in today's game. Most teams have a monster guy; either beanpole height, overall size, or both.

I guess ideally Stanley would give us that, but he doesn't.

It's important for our structure, and for guys like Lee, that our next gen full-forward is a beast. Then Lee can be the roaming forward and we can play a ruck up there.

If we got Wright and he was able to Ruck and play forward, it does give us more options. But if we pick Wright I want it to be because he was the best player, not because he gave us more options in the forward line due to his ruck potential.

 

[aussierulesrules]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ugh-equalisation/story-fni5f22o-1226942014359

According to that article, we're going to be required to pay 100% of the $500K larger salary cap next year, which means paying about $1million more to our playing list next season than we probably are this year (if we're only paying 95% this year), despite the fact our list will likely be younger again and likely have less of those on big contracts, like say Fisher, CJ and Schneider (either due to them retiring, or taking likely big pay cuts).

I wonder if that will make it more likely that we'll target those that are young and out of contract, like a Gaff, or others like him, perhaps through the PSD, and/or those that are contracted, but may want out of their club, such as perhaps a Sheil, or Patton, just to help us reach 100% of this increased salary cap, given we'll have such a young list?

We're going to be overpaying and/or front-ending contracts chronically if we do have the likes of Fisher, CJ and Schneider either retiring, or taking big pay cuts and then only use our early draft picks on the draft this year, rather than trading them for elite young talent from other lists, who would get paid a lot more.

If we do go mainly the draft path this year and as a result front-end most of our contracts in a huge way, just to pay 100% of the increased cap for next season, imagine how much salary cap space we're potentially going to have available to us at the end of next season, when the likes of Cameron/Patton/Boyd/Sheil come out of contract (if they aren't traded or re-signed in the meantime) and then how much we could have available to us at the end of 2016, when we're aiming to hit free agency, if we again front-end a heap of contracts for the 2016 season, just to meet 100% of the cap?

By then we could potentially have a couple of million dollars or more that we could pay someone for that 2017 season, to get them in the door. (Presumably paying them progressively less each season after that, like say $1 mill in 2018, as little as $500K or even less each year after that.)

One way or another, we're going to have a seriously huge amount of money to splurge over this next few seasons, just to meet the salary cap requirements after front-loading a bunch of, if not all contracts! Going to be exciting to see who we spend it on!

PS- Some have asked why we would have re-signed someone like a Tom Simpkin for two years at the end of last year, if we thought he might only be on our list for one more year (Milera another one in a similar boat at the time) and perhaps the reason for that is that we knew we were going to struggle to pay the salary cap for 2015 and so we figured we might as well sign them up until the end of that season, knowing that even if we delisted them at the end of this year it wouldn't matter, as paying out their 2015 contracts would help us to meet that 2015 salary cap?

 

[Studbuddy]

I'd be very happy to pick up Gaff up through the PSD, don't think he is worth trading for but for a free hit in the PSD yes please.

 

[ike2112]

Why wouldn't you trade you're only sure-fire future gun midfielder for a chance to get a future gun midfielder?

Would you trade your gun midfielder for a pretty surefire gun forward?...

It may be risky. But consider the list profile, and consider how easier it is to find a Mid compared to a Fwd. What if Patton started to play better, looked like Johnno Brown, then asked to come for us and GWS wanted a swap with Steven. And if they would throw in a pick in the early 40s (say 42) cos they wouldn't use it anyway.

I don't agree with pushing Steven out if he doesn't want out. Or pushing him out just to get another gun small/mid. But if it was to get 3 potential gun mids, or to get something like the above? I'd probably do it.