Analysis 2016 AFL Trade Week Thread

[FallingLiefs]

I’m happy with this move, they clearly have a strategy in mind and are acting on it. That is honestly the best thing you can ask for IMO.

yep, it seems most people here have a set strategy they use for every trade period regardless of the 1000 factors that come into. i agree we needed a strong injection of quality picks, i wish we could have done so by trading out dead wood but we've done the best we can. now hopefully to close it out and nail 2 quality players with our 4 picks who can help long term and within 3 years.

 

[Spadge]

I can see it now. "Port Marshalls The Troops" as Marshall kicks 5 and we storm home in a historic victory.

The chance of a new young KPF, seems surreal.

or "Port goes into Battle"

 

[Malibu#27]

Youre surprised that people are upset about our club having no future ????

That's a massive over-reaction, and a symptom of forums and facebook where negativity breeds negativity.
Lets say for a minute that we believe the guy we wanted at 9 is going to be there at 14 - or that the difference between who we get at 9 or 14 is negligable, would the last trade be good or bad in that case ?


(Our club appeared to have no future 4 or 5 years ago, we have taken massive steps forward)

 

[Doctor Feel]

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I'm still trying to get my head around what this is.

 

[Doctor Feel]

or "Port goes into Battle"

 

[afl2004]

That's a massive over-reaction, and a symptom of forums and facebook where negativity breeds negativity.
Lets say for a minute that we believe the guy we wanted at 9 is going to be there at 14 - or that the difference between who we get at 9 or 14 is negligable, would the last trade be good or bad in that case ?.

We have given up 2 top 10 picks for pick 17 and 14 . Thats does not even include the losers like hartlett lobbe and westhoff taking up development time next year

 

[Malibu#27]

We have given up 2 top 10 picks for pick 17 and 14 . Thats does not even include the losers like hartlett lobbe and westhoff taking up development time next year

Firstly, I'd suggest the losers aren't the players, but the people that see the need to insult them from the cheap seats.

Secondly, we haven't given up 2 top ten picks, we have given up one top ten pick at this stage, where we finish next year is NOT set in stone. Imagine if we ended up top 4.

finally, lets assume we finish 10th again next year:
The result is we have given up 9, 9 and some later picks for 14, 17, 30, and 31.

 

[El Zorro]

Youre surprised that people are upset about our club having no future ????

I thought pick 8 was the future.

 

[Andre]

How big a turn over can we actually do next year? What are we going to replace them with? We dont have a first rounder and noone wants out players so even if we only move on 4 we are already bringing someone in in the 5th round!

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Next year was make or break for Ken and the picks just reinforce that. We either miss the eight, have a shit first pick and still players without currency or make the eight and some of our cloggers get some reflected 'finals side' shine to get into at least pick upgrade territory (and become attractive enough to at least tempt the fringe players of other clubs to come to us again).

It's not hyperbole to have 2017 as the most important year for at least a decade for Port. Next year makes or breaks this club for the next 5 years at least.

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

First time I've had a chance to see the results of today.


Did we just give away pick ****ing 9? What the serious ****

 

[Schulzenfest]

Let's all ponder who our best player is at the moment and where he went in the draft.

Boak - 5
Wingard - 6
Wines - 7
Ryder - 7
Gray - 55

None of whom went between 9 and 14. If we'd traded out a top 5 or so pick for today'a deal, I'd be outraged. 9 to 14, meh.

Who have been the main guys our board has talked about? SPS, likely gone by 9. Taranto, likely gone by 9. Berry, likely still there at 14. Florent, likely still there at 14. Powell-Pepper, likely still there at 14. Drew, likely still there at 14. Battle, likely still there at 14.

Marshall and Scrimshaw are the one we might miss out on, but the clubs in between 9 and 14 apart from maybe Norf don't need a KPF so Marshall probably slides, and we don't need a half back flanker so I won't be fussed if Scrimshaw goes in that range.

 

[DaTBird187]

2012:
14 - Corr
17 - Josh Simpson
30 - Mason Shaw
31 - Kamden McIntosh

9* - Vlastuin
2013:
14 - McCarthy
17 - Apeness
30 - Dumont
31 - Karpany

9* - Salem
2014:
14 - Lever
17 - Kyle Langford
30 - Maynard
31 - Daniel Howe

9* - Darcy Moore
2015:
14 - Hipwood
17 - Doedee
30 - Mason Redman
31 - Ryan Clarke

9* - Sam Weideman

Does not fill me with any confidence at all that we are going to be rejuvenating our list with our picks. Some very very average players there, some I have never heard of. Great work Ports.

Some crap 9's too. Darcy Moore looks the goods, but he was father son and most likely would have gone top three.

As a side note, there have been 32 number 1 picks in the AFL. I would go as far to say that out of that, there are only two Hall of Famers.

 

[raman]

I've decided to just be excited about the draft for the first time in years.

Melting on hold for now.

 

[afl2004]

Firstly, I'd suggest the losers aren't the players, but the people that see the need to insult them from the cheap seats.

Secondly, we haven't given up 2 top ten picks, we have given up one top ten pick at this stage, where we finish next year is NOT set in stone. Imagine if we ended up top 4.

finally, lets assume we finish 10th again next year:
The result is we have given up 9, 9 and some later picks for 14, 17, 30, and 31.

Being at the games every game every year . they are the Afl defention of nothing loser like pathetic hacks . who take up a huge amount of our cap space

 

[LFC2010]

 

[ScooterBrother]

Dropping from 9 to 14 for the privilege of moving from 49 to 31.

The epitome of aiming for mediocrity.

 

[glitch01]

Gotta love the trade period....should make it longer next year!!
That time of the year where people get to blatantly make derogatory comments about our players.
Where condescending self-appointed draft gurus get to belittle others opinions.

As supporters (and I'm guessing a lot here are members) we obviously have the right to question what our club is doing but some of the stuff said on here is mind-numbing.

 

[snozulu]

My main frustration is we didn't pick up a kpf on the cheap with all the deals i have seen done. I hope we get one in the delisted free agents thingy

 

[Doctor Feel]

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

We all thought the stupid twats were sitting back having a beer, proud of their efforts on Tuesday. But then... Outta nowhere.

 

[raptalia]

I agree with that. I am not a big fan of trading future picks. But that is because I am naturally wary of uncertainty. My point was more one about the rhetoric used here. People are writing that a top-10 pick is guaranteed or it is certain. At most, as Portia points out, it is likely.

Seriously, the level of debate here has reached Trumpian levels. I am just waiting for someone to describe us as a 'tremendous disaster'.

There flip side is this has the potential to be a 'tremendous disaster' but we will not know for a couple of years. Hopefully it will work out but it is not guaranteed.

The 'disaster' from my point of view is not so much what we did but what we did not do. As I see it we failed to meet our immediate needs. We will go into 2017 with our current list less those de listed and a bunch of draftees. On that basis we will need Ryder back in full swing and a huge lift from the playing group. Hopefully it will happen but if it doesn't the 'd' word will loom large.

 

[LFC2010]

My main frustration is we didn't pick up a kpf on the cheap with all the deals i have seen done. I hope we get one in the delisted free agents thingy

Do we even have a pick in that still?!.

 

[Far Kern]

Clearly we think that there's a negligible difference in player quality between say pick 7 and 30, and wanted as many of any of them as possible. It's long term thinking, it's gutsy, and it's head on the chopping block if we don't improve next year. I'm happy with this.

 

[PJ Power]

I've got the feeling we will draft one of Marshall, Battle or Kerr with either 14 or 17. While I understand the need for us to do this, I feel really strongly that we need to make sure that everyone of our picks this year has a high likelihood of playing >100 games of AFL. A balance of three mids (including one with very high ceiling) and one tall forward is what I'd like to take from those 4 draft picks. No flankers, no ruck prospects that take 8 years to develop and then play just 22 games. Three bona fide, high possession winning mids.

 

[Black 18]

I think we will have more options to get back into the first round next year with player movements.

Only if we trade out a Pittard or Wines etc. So if we do that are we really 'winning'? I'd say we're losing once again trying to chase our tail.