Analysis 2016 AFL Trade Week Thread

[David Puddy]

You don't just trade for the sake of doing something to keep the supporters happy. Unless it is going to be of some benefit we are better off backing in the list our club has showed so much faith in. I'm truly baffled that so many Port supporters were expecting this mass clean out this trade period.

How can you be baffled when the club has clearly come out and said that this list hasn't taken us where we want to go, and we're going to be aggressive in the trade period. So far, that hasn't happened and we're halfway through trade period.

Now, can you see why we're unhappy?

 

[Waspy79]

Raises a very interesting point about FA Compensation (which I think should be banished)

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This is potentially very big news but expect the AFL to brush it under the carpet.

 

[Powerade 08]

You don't just trade for the sake of doing something to keep the supporters happy. Unless it is going to be of some benefit we are better off backing in the list our club has showed so much faith in. I'm truly baffled that so many Port supporters were expecting this mass clean out this trade period.

Did you post this in 2016 or 2008?

 

[Willsy10]

How can you be baffled when the club has clearly come out and said that this list hasn't taken us where we want to go, and we're going to be aggressive in the trade period. So far, that hasn't happened and we're halfway through trade period.

Now, can you see why we're unhappy?

They're clearly trying to off load a couple but their obviously isn't enough interest, you can't force clubs to be interested in your duds. Clearing out a heap of players at once is not the answer, we've invested heavily in our top end players and recruited Ryder and Dixon in the last 2 years and now supporters want us to go full rebuild?

 

[Willsy10]

Did you post this in 2016 or 2008?

What do you mean?

 

[David Puddy]

They're clearly trying to off load a couple but their obviously isn't enough interest, you can't force clubs to be interested in your duds. Clearing out a heap of players at once is not the answer, we've invested heavily in our top end players and recruited Ryder and Dixon in the last 2 years and now supporters want us to go full rebuild?

No, no-one said anything about full rebuild.

But so far we have de-listed 3 players who played less than 10 games between them all season, Carlile who played less than a handful and Schulz about the same. We haven't changed the make-up of our starting 22 (who are not good enough) one bit. You've gotta give something to get something, and if it comes down to doing something like Hawks are doing with Mitchell to help us in the longer term, then we should have the balls to do so.

 

[Forzaport]

I'm not sure why people are expecting Port to be active in trade period.

- There's no big name target that we're seeking to bring in
- There's no big name player that has asked to leave
- We're highly unlikely to trade pick #9 out
- Hartlett was only going to entertain a move if he got paid more and we scored a top 10ish pick (the former didn't happen and the latter was highly unlikely anyway)
- Lobbe may leave but it certainly won't be a major deal
- Vardy will likely be a DFA or a very late token pick trade, if at all
- We have no real currency player wise and no real currency picks wise as we're looking to hold pick #9 and we have no second rounder
- Any trade will likely be small bananas.

 

[*PAF]

We Ken was quoted as saying that we would be ruthless, not Ruthless.

We is port not Port.

 

[Coobk001]

Ken also said that we would be tinkering with the list, he avoided the concept of a clean out or making statements about getting rid of large numbers of players. He hence made it clear there would be change but not wholesale change.

The changes weve made so far equate to what my expectations were. However theres been a lot of non sensical rambling about big trade and delisting activity on this forum where people have run with the concept that we could be 'agressive' thinking it meant barnyard sale. But it was never really going to be like that. From day 1 a total of 1-2 trades looked the most likely from us starting with O'Shea and Lobbe, and if no one wants them then we've really got very little to offer.

 

[Powerade 08]

What do you mean?

I mean we've already kept this list together for long enough so why would anyone not be expecting big changes this off season?

And yes, we do have trade bait and we can trade our contracts players, we're just too piss weak to shake things up.

Instead of telling players "This is not gonna work out and we should part ways", we've gone "Yeah we'll fly you out for a holiday in Melbourne and while you're there you can burn bridges with any potential suitors, you're contracted to us for an eternity anyway".

 

[RossFC]

Ken also said that we would be tinkering with the list, he avoided the concept of a clean out or making statements about getting rid of large numbers of players. He hence made it clear there would be change but not wholesale change.

The changes weve made so far equate to what my expectations were. However theres been a lot of non sensical rambling about big trade and delisting activity on this forum where people have run with the concept that we could be 'agressive' thinking it meant barnyard sale. But it was never really going to be like that. From day 1 a total of 1-2 trades looked the most likely from us starting with O'Shea and Lobbe, and if no one wants them then we've really got very little to offer.

So at this stage we have a 1st, 3rd and 4th pick.

If we can turn Lobbe into a cheap fwd/ruck like Stanley, Nankervis or even Vardy and then turn Ah Chee/O'Shea into a 2nd rounder then I'll be happy.

(edit: Also that means 1st rounder on a inside mid, 2nd rounder on a KPF, 3rd rounder on a KPD, 4th rounder on a small defender.)

 

[Steve Dore]

The trade period still has a week to run.
Final list lodgement is still seven weeks away.

PORTZ WHY YOU NOT DELIST TWENTY PLAYERS!!!!!!!

 

[Forzaport]

Terry Wallace will be playing list manager with Richmond's list after the break on Trade Radio.

Richmond supporters suddenly suffering bouts of PTSD.

 

[DaTBird187]

No, no-one said anything about full rebuild.

But so far we have de-listed 3 players who played less than 10 games between them all season, Carlile who played less than a handful and Schulz about the same. We haven't changed the make-up of our starting 22 (who are not good enough) one bit. You've gotta give something to get something, and if it comes down to doing something like Hawks are doing with Mitchell to help us in the longer term, then we should have the balls to do so.

Our best 22 didn't play a single game together this year. In fact we probably maxed out at 16-17 best 22 in a game. We don't have a single player over thirty and shipping someone out ala Mitchell is totally pointless for us. They are attempting to move on an all time great, who will be retired next year, so they can squeeze in Ty Vickery!!

 

[KenOath]

I'm not sure why people are expecting Port to be active in trade period.

- There's no big name target that we're seeking to bring in
- There's no big name player that has asked to leave
- We're highly unlikely to trade pick #9 out
- Hartlett was only going to entertain a move if he got paid more and we scored a top 10ish pick (the former didn't happen and the latter was highly unlikely anyway)
- Lobbe may leave but it certainly won't be a major deal
- Vardy will likely be a DFA or a very late token pick trade, if at all
- We have no real currency player wise and no real currency picks wise as we're looking to hold pick #9 and we have no second rounder
- Any trade will likely be small bananas.

I think mainly because Davies said we'd come in with an open-mind and that we are looking to improve our draft position. We also actively shopped HH around prior to trade week and have a reported 13 players on the table (a number that hasn't been refuted by the club as far as I am aware??).

You don't (or at least shouldn't) put 13 names out there unless you realistically expect to move on at least 4-5 of those names. And if you intend to move on that many players you really need to get some deals done early in the trade period so you have time to do the rest.

I'll reserve final judgement until after trade week wraps up but at this stage, from an outside and completely uniformed perspective, the club has managed this trade period very poorly, including the PR component. To me it reeks of key people within the club not being on the same page.

 

[DaTBird187]

How can you be baffled when the club has clearly come out and said that this list hasn't taken us where we want to go, and we're going to be aggressive in the trade period. So far, that hasn't happened and we're halfway through trade period.

Now, can you see why we're unhappy?

So for arguments sake, we go to 17 other teams and say Cam O'Shea is up for trade. 17 teams then say no. Would you like our people to then wait an hour and try again?

Jonas
Lobbe
Ah Chee
Amon

If the same was done for all the above and we got the same answer, perhaps we could be aggressive by implementing primary school torture, such and nipple cripples.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Didn't we say something about we know who you are?

I thought it was implied that we know who you are and we will move you on.

There's still a week to go but I am over the talk of Ruth and lines in the sand. Time to see some walking.

 

[David Puddy]

So for arguments sake, we go to 17 other teams and say Cam O'Shea is up for trade. 17 teams then say no. Would you like our people to then wait an hour and try again?

Jonas
Lobbe
Ah Chee
Amon

If the same was done for all the above and we got the same answer, perhaps we could be aggressive by implementing primary school torture, such and nipple cripples.

Comes back to my point that you have to give something to get something. I agree that the core of the problem is not necessarily this year's trade period. The issue is that we've stuck with these players for so many years and now they have let us down and have zero trade value. List management in general has been terrible the past few years.

O'Shea is off contract, so if a trade can't be found then de-list him completely.

 

[DaTBird187]

Comes back to my point that you have to give something to get something. I agree that the core of the problem is not necessarily this year's trade period. The issue is that we've stuck with these players for so many years and now they have let us down and have zero trade value. List management in general has been terrible the past few years.

O'Shea is off contract, so if a trade can't be found then de-list him completely.

It is catch 22. Come off a great season in 2014, everything looks good. Just blindly trading players out would never have happened, to what purpose? Hindsight says a lot of players regressed, but even the greatest soothsayer couldn't predict its occurrence.

It's the same as people saying "I can't believe 19 players were picked before Nat Fyfe", or "haha why did Port draft John Butcher?"

At the time everyone thought both situations were correct and true. History says otherwise.

 

[Forzaport]

I think mainly because Davies said we'd come in with an open-mind and that we are looking to improve our draft position. We also actively shopped HH around prior to trade week and have a reported 13 players on the table (a number that hasn't been refuted by the club as far as I am aware??).

You don't (or at least shouldn't) put 13 names out there unless you realistically expect to move on at least 4-5 of those names. And if you intend to move on that many players you really need to get some deals done early in the trade period so you have time to do the rest.

I'll reserve final judgement until after trade week wraps up but at this stage, from an outside and completely uniformed perspective, the club has managed this trade period very poorly, including the PR component. To me it reeks of key people within the club not being on the same page.

True it's not looking good. The club is hamstrung though, no matter how much huffing and puffing there is in the media.

Of our senior players out of contract we have:
Monfries - promised a spot on the rookie list
O'Shea - BFF with out best players
Stewart - Another BFF
Ah Chee - triggered clause for 2017 contract
Jonas - offered a contract but yet to sign

We may not see much movement at all. Hinkley has to prove himself with the list he has as he's just as culpable for it as Davies and the rest of the football department.

 

[Andre]

Hahaha I think it's official now.

As far as this board is concerned Chris Davies is George Costanza.

Kenny : Weren't we going to be ruthless?
CD : Kenny, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it.

CD on when trading out players gets to hard : Yeah, I’m a great quitter. It’s one of the few things I do well. I come from a long line of quitters. My father was a quitter, my grandfather was a quitter… I was raised to give up.

On no trades : CD is getting frustrated!

I am Davies. Lord of the idiots.

CD on trading : If you take everything I've accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!

But really all would be forgiven if we got this, this week -

CD: The traders were angry that day, my friends - like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli. I got about fifty feet out and suddenly, the great trade appeared before me. I tell you he was ten stories high if he was a foot. As if sensing my presence, he let out a great bellow. I said, "Easy, big fella!" And then, as I watched him struggling, I realized that something was obstructing its breathing. From where I was standing, I could see directly into the eye of the great coach.
Ken: List Manager.
CD: Whatever.
KT: Well, what did you do next?
CD: Well then, from out of nowhere, a huge tidal wave lifted me, tossed me like a cork, and I found myself right on top of him - face to face with their list manager. I could barely see from the waves crashing down upon me, but I knew something was there. So I reached my hand in, felt around, and pulled out the obstruction.
CD: [reveals the obstruction to be a contract]
KT: What is that, Hamish?
[CD Nods]
KT: A hole in one, huh?
Ken: Well, the crowd must have gone wild!
CD: Oh yes they did Ken they were all over me. It was like Rocky 1. Gus came up to me, threw his arms around me, and kissed me. We both had tears streaming down our faces. I never saw anyone so beautiful. It was at that moment I decided to tell him I was not a list manager!
Ken: Wow! What'd he say?
CD: he told me to "Go to hell!" and I took the bus home.

 

[DaTBird187]

Didn't we say something about we know who you are?

I thought it was implied that we know who you are and we will move you on.

There's still a week to go but I am over the talk of Ruth and lines in the sand. Time to see some walking.

We can't trade players if nobody wants them. We also can't blindly delist 10 either, as we require a minimum playing roster.

There is only so much that can be done.

The "we know who you are" could quite easily be, "well player x, Riley Bonner has your spot now. Player y, you've been replaced by Will Snelling. You want them back? Bloody well earn them"

 

[Portia]

In that case we just hang onto him for another year. Unless Arch gets us a pick in the 20s he has far more value to us on our list than anything we could get for pick 44!

Disagree

 

[Harro59]

Take a breath everyone. Its week one of trade week. So many clubs have to work through deals first with players on the move that that wont really start looking at trading out 2nd or 3rd rounders until the big names are sorted.

Do you think the GC are focusing on what value AhChee adds to there list or are they still working through the Prestia and O'meara deals?

We will take 9 tto the draft and inject some quality talent to the list. Also dont forget about the boys who made there debuts this season. Palmer, Snelling, Bonner, Austin and Dougie with all of them expect Dougie looking to make a spot in there 22 theres. Then add in Ryders return as well. Also Frampton looks like he will be able hopefully able to be on the park a bit more and heaven forbid a preseason as well.

Even with pick 9 on there way there is some excitement around the place.

If we get a few more second rounders for say Lobbe and Achee great. If not so be it.

 

[PowerBaz]

The Hawks know how to get it done.