Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[BluStreak]

Goddamn it, I want my marshmallow NOW!

Why would you make me wait?!?

Stay Puff man.

 

[BM123]

You're probably right but even if they got third round picks, say 39 and 40 for example. That's 875 points. Plus our 3rd (#42 = 395 points) and Bulldogs 3rd (#50 = 273 points) that's 1543 points which could be traded to GC for Melbournes 1st (#9 - 1469 points).

No idea what system you guys are using but packaging a bunch of 3rd round picks will NEVER get you pick 9.

 

[MileHigh]

It's beginning to look like McLuggage will be somewhere near the Top 5, so unless our season goes horribly pear-shaped, he is going to be out of our reach.

Not concerned. I heard he comes with a lot of baggage.

I'll show myself out.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

No idea what system you guys are using but packaging a bunch of 3rd round picks will NEVER get you pick 9.

It could if a team has a heap of academy prospects and there is a chance the points they have are from high picks. They might use a high pick trade to cover off the points needed from lower in the draft.

Then they might take the odds to it and use a live pick and worry about the points when the bids come.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not concerned. I heard he comes with a lot of baggage.

I'll show myself out.

No ... stay. I will rescue you.

I understand Caroline Wilson has been spruiking his talent.

Teams could do worse than picking up McLuggage on the caro-sell.

 

[HBF]

We need to weave some real magic this year.

One scenario that might work:

Give GWS our 2nd rounder this year and our 1st pick next year for the GWS 4.

That way we keep our first pick this year and get one of Brodie or McCluggage.

Adding Marchbank, Tomlinson, McCluggage/Brodie, Steele and Stewart to the list would be a decent result.

Although I'm not really in favour of trading next year's first pick, if we bring those 5 in, our first pick next year might be in the early-mid teens anyway.

And we bring in the depth and talented mid that we so desperately need.

Doubt our first rounder next year will be on the table. Already looks like it will be a strong batch of kids in 2017 and we'll want to be in there in the first round.

 

[Blue and Silver]

No idea what system you guys are using but packaging a bunch of 3rd round picks will NEVER get you pick 9.

Unless the AFL designed some crazy system where basically team's could benefit from doing exactly that.

Think about it this way. It's creative accounting. Team's use counter-intuitive slight of hand to make 1 resource become 3 cumulatively more valuable resources because they know they can pay for a resource either way, but they get more value out of the trade. The team they trade with did not have the same use for its resources but now gets what it considers a higher quality product.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Half of the top dozen kids are locked up in academies this year. Take the GWS deal.

 

[Jimmae]

Callum Drew also looks interesting there...

This threw me for a minute, I think you mean Willem Drew?

 

[Dramoth]

This threw me for a minute, I think you mean Willem Drew?

yeah... there was a Callum also playing... and thats what threw me... not paying attention fully and hearing the "em Drew" not long after them talking about the "Callum".

Another player that caught my eye was Worpel... his attack on the ball and his tackling was first class. Add in the fact that he almost knocked himself out trying to get the ball at one point... and he really stood out.


EDIT: just looking at his stats for the game... 9 clearances, 7 tackles and 13 contested possessions with an Efficiency rating of 81%. He also picked up 19 disposals and a goal.

 

[Malifice]

I feel that Steele and Marchbank would command a top 20 pick if they were in the draft this year. Tomlinson somewhere in the 20s and Stewart is just a gesture by us to take him off their books and help us get a discount like last year.

I feel like we are getting 2-3 first rounders ability wise by doing this deal. Question for me is how to do the deal AND keep a first rounder we can nab a player like Brodie with.

We trade this years 1st and next years second for the GWS 4 Mk 2. We also package our second and both third round picks this year (assuming a finish of 12th and the dogs 4th) 23 + 41 + 49 = 1497 points and get pick 10 = 1395 points (Collingwood) back from the Giants.

Out: Picks 5, 23, 41, 49 (2017 2nd rounder).
In: GWS 4, pick 10

GWS then ontrade pick 5 to Melbourne for their 1st round pick next year. This gives Melbourne two more guns this year to add to Petracca and Oliver etc for the new coach to work with next year. Melbourne bank on finishing higher than 13th next year.

GWS also get two second round picks from Freo for Macarthy (this year and next years).

Sets GWS up nicely with enough points (and list space) for this years half dozen 1st round academy boys (GWS 1st, Geelong 1st, GWS 2nd, Freo 2nd, Our 2nd, GWS 3rd, Bulldogs 3rd, Our 3rd), and leaves them with two first rounders (Melbourne and thier own) and three second rounders (ours, theirs and Freos) next year as a good platform for more academy points (and another crop of discounted first round academy players).

In addition to those points, the Giants will lose another gun or two over the next few years which will get them more 1st round picks, and will need to reduce the list size meaning they'll offload surplus players for points (to pay for more first round academy boys). They'll need a combination of list space, cap space and points to bring in a ton of academy 1st rounders every year while that rort lasts.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

We trade this years 1st and next years second for the GWS 4 Mk 2. We also package our second and both third round picks this year (assuming a finish of 12th and the dogs 4th) 23 + 41 + 49 = 1497 points and get pick 10 = 1395 points (Collingwood) back from the Giants.

Out: Picks 5, 23, 41, 49 (2017 2nd rounder).
In: GWS 4, pick 10

GWS then ontrade pick 5 to Melbourne for their 1st round pick next year. This gives Melbourne two more guns this year to add to Petracca and Oliver etc for the new coach to work with next year. Melbourne bank on finishing higher than 13th next year.

GWS also get two second round picks from Freo for Macarthy (this year and next years).

Sets GWS up nicely with enough points (and list space) for this years half dozen 1st round academy boys (GWS 1st, Geelong 1st, GWS 2nd, Freo 2nd, Our 2nd, GWS 3rd, Bulldogs 3rd, Our 3rd), and leaves them with two first rounders (Melbourne and thier own) and three second rounders (ours, theirs and Freos) next year as a good platform for more academy points (and another crop of discounted first round academy players).

In addition to those points, the Giants will lose another gun or two over the next few years which will get them more 1st round picks, and will need to reduce the list size meaning they'll offload surplus players for points (to pay for more first round academy boys). They'll need a combination of list space, cap space and points to bring in a ton of academy 1st rounders every year while that rort lasts.

Thats actually an almost perfect scenario. We'd get the GWS 4, we'd get Powel-Pepper or Sharenberg (maybe Brodie if we're infinitely lucky) or anothe rinside mid, plus Steele, to add to our midfield, Marchbank to finish off the backline and Tomlinson and Stewart as forwar doptions/utilities.

The 66 Game Rebuild Thread shows us supporters here believe, Cripps, Docherty, Weitering, Plowman, Kerridge, Sumner, Byrne and Curnow are locked away for our best 22 come the end of our rebuild.

I'd be extremely confident that Marchbank, Steele and our first pick would all be locks in that side as well.

Then we still have Tomlinson, McKay, Silvagni, Jaksch, Cuningham, Stewart, Lamb, Boekhurst to expect improvement from.

What a strong youthful core.

 

[Malifice]

Thats actually an almost perfect scenario. We'd get the GWS 4, we'd get Powel-Pepper or Sharenberg (maybe Brodie if we're infinitely lucky) or anothe rinside mid, plus Steele, to add to our midfield, Marchbank to finish off the backline and Tomlinson and Stewart as forwar doptions/utilities.

And its not far fetched or one sided. Everyone wins in it. GWS reduce the list size, get more points this year (to pay for their academy blokes in this draft) than what just our 1st and 2nd get them, also get points for next year (when the list has to shrink again and theyll need another half dozen spots for academy blokes) and Melbourne get two top ten picks this year.

We'll add pick 10 (one of Battle or Brodie should be available) for pick 5. Also, we get the GWS 4 in exchange for what amounts to a bunch of 2nd and third round picks over two years. Marchbank, Tomlinson and Steele are worth that and more alone.

 

[RudyBlue]

Unless the AFL designed some crazy system where basically team's could benefit from doing exactly that.

Think about it this way. It's creative accounting. Team's use counter-intuitive slight of hand to make 1 resource become 3 cumulatively more valuable resources because they know they can pay for a resource either way, but they get more value out of the trade. The team they trade with did not have the same use for its resources but now gets what it considers a higher quality product.

I think it's a fantastic system personally. The only thing I'd change is making the eligibility rules for academy selections tougher

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Doubt our first rounder next year will be on the table. Already looks like it will be a strong batch of kids in 2017 and we'll want to be in there in the first round.

Yeah I also doubt it's on the table too, but if the GWS4 are going to bolster us as much as we think, we should technically finish higher on the ladder than this year. If we finish at let's say 10th, where does that leave us in the draft? Pick #9? I'd rather keep the pick #5-#7 that we get this year.

The door is still going to be open to trading into the first round next year as well.

 

[thylacine60]

No ... stay. I will rescue you.

I understand Caroline Wilson has been spruiking his talent.

Teams could do worse than picking up McLuggage on the caro-sell.

quite possibly the best/worst ever

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

quite possibly the best/worst ever

That is (not) good.

Well I was going to say something about his teammates checking McLuggage in early at the airport then running away from him on those moving walkways so ... they .... can .... travelator.

Thank **** I thought better off it.

Speaking of travelators ... as I wasn't ... I once had to change planes at Phoenix Airport in Arizona and they had the bastards everywhere. Big corridors full of nothing but carpet and travelators. No levels, just flat moving walkways that travelled as fast as someone walking, if that. Now, that's pretty damn lazy.

Right, one more .... I hope McLuggage doesn't get drafted interstate. Having to fly every second week, McLuggage is bound to end up in the wrong city at some point.

 

[SBYM]

Won't get us a shandy of horse piss.

Deadset classic.

 

[ferrisb]

That is (not) good.

Well I was going to say something about his teammates checking McLuggage in early at the airport then running away from him on those moving walkways so ... they .... can .... travelator.

Thank **** I thought better off it.

Speaking of travelators ... as I wasn't ... I once had to change planes at Phoenix Airport in Arizona and they had the bastards everywhere. Big corridors full of nothing but carpet and travelators. No levels, just flat moving walkways that travelled as fast as someone walking, if that. Now, that's pretty damn lazy.

Right, one more .... I hope McLuggage doesn't get drafted interstate. Having to fly every second week, McLuggage is bound to end up in the wrong city at some point.

Quit while you are behind, ODN...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Quit while you are behind, ODN...

But I thought I was in front. Now I have to play catch up?

 

[thylacine60]

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

That will shut you all up. No more tail wagging the dog around here.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We trade this years 1st and next years second for the GWS 4 Mk 2. We also package our second and both third round picks this year (assuming a finish of 12th and the dogs 4th) 23 + 41 + 49 = 1497 points and get pick 10 = 1395 points (Collingwood) back from the Giants.

Out: Picks 5, 23, 41, 49 (2017 2nd rounder).
In: GWS 4, pick 10

GWS then ontrade pick 5 to Melbourne for their 1st round pick next year. This gives Melbourne two more guns this year to add to Petracca and Oliver etc for the new coach to work with next year. Melbourne bank on finishing higher than 13th next year.

GWS also get two second round picks from Freo for Macarthy (this year and next years).

Sets GWS up nicely with enough points (and list space) for this years half dozen 1st round academy boys (GWS 1st, Geelong 1st, GWS 2nd, Freo 2nd, Our 2nd, GWS 3rd, Bulldogs 3rd, Our 3rd), and leaves them with two first rounders (Melbourne and thier own) and three second rounders (ours, theirs and Freos) next year as a good platform for more academy points (and another crop of discounted first round academy players).

In addition to those points, the Giants will lose another gun or two over the next few years which will get them more 1st round picks, and will need to reduce the list size meaning they'll offload surplus players for points (to pay for more first round academy boys). They'll need a combination of list space, cap space and points to bring in a ton of academy 1st rounders every year while that rort lasts.

Looks quite feasible. Looking at where their academy picks are likely to land, have you worked out the points the Giants will need to ensure they can use the picks we give them?

 

[HBF]

WA vs Allies on Foxtel tomorrow at 1:30.

 

[Dramoth]

WA vs Allies on Foxtel tomorrow at 1:30.

Cool... Might have to watch it. I'm thinking of rewatching the country vs metro game again and keeping an eye on Warpol this time. The tackle in the third where he completely wrapped the kid up, including a scissor lock on his head, was impressive.