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I thought he was considered quite good. Particularly his ability to lower his eyes
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I think that if the club is going to be taking Stewart of GWS's hands, we would have to delist Foster. Admittedly he is a developing KPP who has been swung down back in an effort to turn him into a KP utility type who can play either end.
I think that we have given up on the idea of KJ being a defender and we are now playing him in the VFL in his natural position.
If Steele lives up to his potential as an inside mid, then I reckon that we would have a good counter point to Cripps... if we fail to retain our first round pick and get someone like Brodie.
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This year he seems to be semi-interested... almost as if he was rather excited to be moving to link up with Eade again and work with a coach he really liked and when the deal fell through has decided that he is going to go through the motions this year.
I think that he might also know that in C. Curnow and Jack Silvagni, we have ready made replacements for him.
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McLuggage and Brodie... we need to find another first round pick and get some luck for both of them to fall through to our picks.
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Callum Drew also looks interesting there...
It's beginning to look like McLuggage will be somewhere near the Top 5, so unless our season goes horribly pear-shaped, he is going to be out of our reach.
Is the GWS4 - Marchbank, Tomlinson, Steele and Ahern or Stewart?
Option 1: 4 for 2 deal as above
Pros: our list needs work in all areas still and a 4:2 can really help if SOS believes they can all be Best 22 for us
If we get two young mids with 2 yrs development then they can have immediate impact and possibly extend the careers of Gibbs and Murphy and reduce the load on Cripps
We might not get another chance at this as a lot of our opposition don't have the picks to get this done this year.
Option 2: gun mid at 5/6 and a lottery mid at 24/25, can't see us taking another tall in the draft this year
Pros: a top 5 mid could be an absolute gun, helps our list age profile
we don't need another Whiley/Jaksch trade that doesn't look good at the moment
Concerned about having to give up what appears to be our 1st and 2nd round picks to get this done.
Can see Marchbank and Tomlinson adding value to our team but if we are giving up our 1st round pick then we must get a Best 22 inside mid and at least one other mid - if SOS rates him I will be okay if the 4th is an injured mid that we think we can also get right (we have done it this year with GWS1.0
Any chance SOS can work some magic to get a pick back from GWS because we are doing them a favour by reducing their salary cap and with their Academy boys our 1st pick is worth so much more to them then their other 1st round picks.
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Stewart.
If GWS4v2 falls through, I would love us to get 2-3 early first round draft picks in 2016 to draft quality midfielders from:
1. Will Brodie - 187cm, 80kg midfielder from Murray Bushrangers. The bull we need.
2. Hugh McCluggage - 184cm, 70kg midfielder from North Ballarat Rebels, kicked the winning goal on the weekend.
3. Sam Petrevski-Seton - 180cm, 73kg midfielder from Claremont Tigers. Would be amazed if he did not go too early for us.
4. Daniel Venables - 185cm, 76kg midfielder from Western Jets. Great skills and good size.
5. Ben Ainsworth - 177cm, 73kg midfielder/forward from Gippsland Power. Elite finisher.
Assuming we finish 13th we get pick #6 (1751points), #24 (785 points), #42 (395 points) and #60 (146 points), plus the Bulldogs say #66 (80 points). We keep #6 and trade points to get another first round pick(s).
Example, GWS could trade down picks. If GWS keep the low Collingwood pick (Marshall), then we could trade our second this year, our 2nd next year plus our third and fourth for #16 (Geelong - 1067points) and #18 (GWS - 985 points). We give up 2,111 points to get 2052 points (but higher in draft).
Leaves us with #6, #16, #18, #66, plus later picks to upgrade Byrne (and maybe Sheehan?).
Then use player trades to enhance picks.
i.e. trade Everitt and #16 to GCFC for #5 so we can have a shot at two early midfielders. GCFC get Everitt and their first round academy selection.
i.e.. trade Daisy, Graham and #18 to Richmond (flag tilt) for #7 and we have a shot at 3 quality midfielders.
If Marshall and Battle are picked by GWS and Freo early, then we could potentially get 3 of the 5 named above.
If we cannot do the player trades then Gallucci, Pepper-Powell, etc. are in our mix, but I prefer the high quality focus
1. Will Brodie - 187cm, 80kg midfielder from Murray Bushrangers. The bull we need.
2. Hugh McCluggage - 184cm, 70kg midfielder from North Ballarat Rebels, kicked the winning goal on the weekend.
3. Sam Petrevski-Seton - 180cm, 73kg midfielder from Claremont Tigers. Would be amazed if he did not go too early for us.
4. Daniel Venables - 185cm, 76kg midfielder from Western Jets. Great skills and good size.
5. Ben Ainsworth - 177cm, 73kg midfielder/forward from Gippsland Power. Elite finisher.
Assuming we finish 13th we get pick #6 (1751points), #24 (785 points), #42 (395 points) and #60 (146 points), plus the Bulldogs say #66 (80 points). We keep #6 and trade points to get another first round pick(s).
Example, GWS could trade down picks. If GWS keep the low Collingwood pick (Marshall), then we could trade our second this year, our 2nd next year plus our third and fourth for #16 (Geelong - 1067points) and #18 (GWS - 985 points). We give up 2,111 points to get 2052 points (but higher in draft).
Leaves us with #6, #16, #18, #66, plus later picks to upgrade Byrne (and maybe Sheehan?).
Then use player trades to enhance picks.
i.e. trade Everitt and #16 to GCFC for #5 so we can have a shot at two early midfielders. GCFC get Everitt and their first round academy selection.
i.e.. trade Daisy, Graham and #18 to Richmond (flag tilt) for #7 and we have a shot at 3 quality midfielders.
If Marshall and Battle are picked by GWS and Freo early, then we could potentially get 3 of the 5 named above.
If we cannot do the player trades then Gallucci, Pepper-Powell, etc. are in our mix, but I prefer the high quality focus
Sounds like a dream deal to me looking further into it. Only Marchbank has the potential to be a grade but Steele is a quality inside mid. Tomlinson would make a handy wing player with potential to play tall forward and back as needed. And for a club that gives the likes of Gorringe and Jones games Stewart is a valuable addition to the list.
Yeah we give up the potential of picking up a superstar but our list needs depth. We need a deeper list in the right areas or we're going to be bottom 6 for a very long time.
Yeah we give up the potential of picking up a superstar but our list needs depth. We need a deeper list in the right areas or we're going to be bottom 6 for a very long time.
Exactly, it happens all the time. We get a singular obsession every year and if only we dealt with it we'd be a contender. We always judge the state of our list by the last lost we should have won, instead of by the competition as a whole. We should be 'playing the percentages' (as they say) and then things should work out for themselves.
If the bottom sides bid for academy picks at 1, 2 and so on we could potentially end up with the 4th or 5th live pick. Brisbane, GCS, GWS (Collingwood pick) are ahead of us in the draft order.
Bowes (Suns) is looking top 3, Macreadie & Setterfield (Giants) top 5ish, Scheer and Allison top 10 (Suns and Lions).
The predicted ladder would have the draft order as
1 Essendon, 2 Brisbane, 3 Fremantle, 4 Gold Coast, 5 GWS, 6 Richmond, 7 St Kilda, 8 Carlton
Doubtful Essendon bids on Allison but Bowes and Macreadie could realistically 'knock out' two picks ahead of us.
Bowes (Suns) is looking top 3, Macreadie & Setterfield (Giants) top 5ish, Scheer and Allison top 10 (Suns and Lions).
The predicted ladder would have the draft order as
1 Essendon, 2 Brisbane, 3 Fremantle, 4 Gold Coast, 5 GWS, 6 Richmond, 7 St Kilda, 8 Carlton
Doubtful Essendon bids on Allison but Bowes and Macreadie could realistically 'knock out' two picks ahead of us.
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You're not suggesting that there may be some collusion between the non-Academy reliant clubs..........are you?
Not that we'd want to give anyone such a notion.....
Well if last year's draft is anything to go by, Dodoro doesn't even watch Div 2 games.You're not suggesting that there may be some collusion between the non-Academy reliant clubs..........are you?
Not that we'd want to give anyone such a notion.....
Alternatively Essendon and Freo don't bid and we get the 12th-15th best kid at pick 8. Maybe that's why SOS is looking to give GWS the picks they need for Macreadie, Setterfield, Perryman etc
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Find it hard to say anything against Dodoro, after that cheeky call on Silvagni last year.
I think I like the guy, now.
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Find it hard to say anything against Dodoro, after that cheeky call on Silvagni last year.
I think I like the guy, now.
When I was watching junior footy, he used to turn up late and spend alot of his time talking to other recruiters.
Dont even worry about the academy kids, we'll get the (x)th best available kid no matter where the academy players get picked. As long as bids come for Bowes and Macreadie before GC and GWS;s first picks, which surely they will.
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We need to weave some real magic this year.
One scenario that might work:
Give GWS our 2nd rounder this year and our 1st pick next year for the GWS 4.
That way we keep our first pick this year and get one of Brodie or McCluggage.
Adding Marchbank, Tomlinson, McCluggage/Brodie, Steele and Stewart to the list would be a decent result.
Although I'm not really in favour of trading next year's first pick, if we bring those 5 in, our first pick next year might be in the early-mid teens anyway.
And we bring in the depth and talented mid that we so desperately need.
Hopefully there'd be a chance to package late picks for points for one of GWS' (Coll, GWS, Geel) or Gold Coast' (GC, Melbourne) first round picks as well.
Trading say Everett and Graham for example would look a lot better if it meant we could tally enough points to get another possible top 10 pick.
I may be dreaming, but a haul of Brodie, McCluggage and the GWS 4 looks pretty bloody good.
Won't get us a shandy of horse piss.
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You're probably right but even if they got third round picks, say 39 and 40 for example. That's 875 points. Plus our 3rd (#42 = 395 points) and Bulldogs 3rd (#50 = 273 points) that's 1543 points which could be traded to GC for Melbournes 1st (#9 - 1469 points).
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Very interesting.
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