Dramoth
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JaB has it... height alone means nothing... if it did, Hampson would be one of the best players in the league.
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I think it's hard to compare Sandi to Big Nick. Sandi, in my opinion is purely a tap ruckman and doesn't contribute a lot around the ground unless in a contested marking situation. In his case, height is most definitely an advantage.
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Still no Tomlinson for the Giants, although he is named as an emergency.
Keep driving his price down GWS!
Keep driving his price down GWS!
Think Gibbs has another 100 games for CFC so very unlikely to happen. Even less likely he would agree to go to Western Sydney.
GWS currency includes:
1. Patton - KPF and #1 pick with dodgy knees who does not seem to gel with Cameron so is touted to leave. All GWS fans say he does not want to go anywhere. Would be an upgrade on Casboult if he can get his knees right. High risk.
2. Tomlinson - Tall forward who can run (think N. Reiwolt but not as good yet). Rumoured poor disposal by hand and foot. Will compete with SOSOS and Charlie for a spot. Media said Deal almost done last year for #11? (I hope we were getting a second rounder back?). Now playing NEAFL so wants out.
3. Ahern - #7, Outside mid with good numbers in NEAFL, but out of contract and not played a game for GWS. ACL injury out for 2016. High Risk.
4. WHE - #4 in 2011, Had shoulder issues in 2015 and struggling to play at previous level. Averaging 10 disposals in 2 matches 2016. High Risk.
5. Pickett - #4 in 2014 from WA. No Games for GWS and out of contract. Quick Small Forward who has played well in NEAFL.
6. McKenna - Half fwd. No Games for GWS. Previous hip injuries. Will not improve our list IMO
7. Simpson - Ruck, too old. Will not improve our list IMO
8. Barrett - Inside mid, from Temora (zone selection), great NEAFL form but only one game for GWS. Likely trade.
9. Stewart - KPF/Ruck, #27 in 2012, 196cm and 93kg. Overlooked by Pies as father/son selection. Only 1 game for GWS in 2016 despite lack of forwards.
10. Marchbank - #3 rumoured he is homesick wants to return to Vic. KPD. Would be a great fit for CFC.
11. McCarthy - Freo?
12. Finlayson - KPD 194cm/90kg, not getting a game. Why bother?
13. Mohr - KPD too old? 198cm! No games since mid 2015 as has ACL, repeat knee problems so unlikely for CFC.
14. Downie - Ruck out of contract no games for GWS this year. 201cm why bother.
Unlikely but out of contract:
1. Steele - Mid. First ever GWS Canberra academy kid. Played three games out of 5 in 2016. Strong runner but having disposal efficiency issues. Very much doubt he will be let go but he is out of contract.
2. Whitfield - Outside Mid . #1 in 2012. Playing regularly for GWS. Will be a top line midfielder once he develops an inside game. Would cost us in trade so very unlikely IMO, but would be best 22 at CFC from day 1.
If we swapped Gibbs for Whitfield that is probably a win for us, as Byrce has shown more but Whitfield is younger. And a win four GWS, as Gibbs experience would accelerate them like Shaw has done in defence, and GWS have plenty of mids coming through to replace Whitfield.
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Maybe so, but he hasn't had much of a chance to get any continuity into his game by constantly being dropped to the NEAFL.
He's still only 22 so he still has many years ahead of him. At the right price he could fit in quite well at our footy club.
Just out of curiosity, I looked up the heights of all teams number 1 ruckman. (Club Rating)
Sam Jacobs 202cm (3)
Stefan Martin 197cm (4)
Matthew Kreuzer 200cm (17)
Brodie Grundy 203cm (17)
Matthew Leuenberger 203cm (28)
Aaron Sandilands 211cm (2)
Shane Mumford 197cm (7)
Zac Smith 206cm (17)
Tom Nicholls 203cm (19)
Ben McEvoy 200cm (10)
Max Gawn 208cm (9)
Todd Goldstein 201cm (1)
Matthew Lobbe 200cm (16)
Ivan Maric 200cm (5)
Tom Hickey 201cm (20)
Callum Sinclair 200cm (19)
Nic Naitanui 201cm (1)
Jordan Roughead 200cm (19)
Sam Jacobs 202cm (3)
Stefan Martin 197cm (4)
Matthew Kreuzer 200cm (17)
Brodie Grundy 203cm (17)
Matthew Leuenberger 203cm (28)
Aaron Sandilands 211cm (2)
Shane Mumford 197cm (7)
Zac Smith 206cm (17)
Tom Nicholls 203cm (19)
Ben McEvoy 200cm (10)
Max Gawn 208cm (9)
Todd Goldstein 201cm (1)
Matthew Lobbe 200cm (16)
Ivan Maric 200cm (5)
Tom Hickey 201cm (20)
Callum Sinclair 200cm (19)
Nic Naitanui 201cm (1)
Jordan Roughead 200cm (19)
His value to GWS is low as he is unlikely to ever play for them again. They have better options. His games this year have not been great for GWS. Value should be low, but his initial draft value may affect that. Hope we do not have to give up #21 for him, unless they throw in Barrett and Marchbank
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I wasn't born by the time Big Nick had retired, so unfortunately I haven't seen him play. The guy was voted the best ever Carlton player by people who know a hell of as lot more than me, so clearly he was a champ among champs.
But it is scary how tall and athletic these players are these days, that size differential would mean that Sandi wouldn't even need to jump, he wouldn't need to out think anyone that much smaller than him, he could just stand there and do as he pleases.
I'm not discounting footy smarts, there is still a place for some smaller players who have the smarts, but size is definitely an important factor.
Who knows, in 40 years time we may be looking at 235cm guys and debating whether the "smaller" 210cm guy can still cut it in the game.
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You clearly haven't watched a lot of football over the past few years.
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His value to GWS is low as he is unlikely to ever play for them again. They have better options. His games this year have not been great for GWS. Value should be low, but his initial draft value may affect that. Hope we do not have to give up #21 for him, unless they throw in Barrett and Marchbank
He'd only play for them again if GWS get injuries. What was telling was that he wasn't getting selected even when Jeremy Cameron was out suspended. I'd offer our 3rd rounder and gone from there. GWS should have taken #11 when we offered it last year.
Shane Mumford and Stefan Martin were suprises at under 200cm, so height is not everything but it definately helps
At their best (no injuries) I would take Kreuzer at 200cm every day of the week over Warnocks 206cm.
CFC bought Warnock for his height and it cost us massively. Need to get the best player in the role, not just the tallest.At their best (no injuries) I would take Kreuzer at 200cm every day of the week over Warnocks 206cm.
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A mid second is about what he is realistically worth at the moment. If GWS keeps selecting him one week and dropping him the next, then by the end of the year, they would be lucky to get a mid third for him.
It will be interesting to see what happens come the end of the year because I feel that new circumstances could prompt a revival in form for him and show us why he was so highly rated in his draft year.
Defenders shouldn't be taller than the forwards they play on. Taller players are generally less mobile and the key to defence is mobility, as is rebounding from defence which is just as important in modern football.
Give me 3 good 193cm defenders over 3 massive defenders any day.
Give me 3 good 193cm defenders over 3 massive defenders any day.
Just give me good ****ing footballers who gives a **** about their height if they can PLAY and WIN
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Give me players who want to win and will give their all for the jumper.
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This, this and this!
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I'll have what she's having.......
Don't give me any player, given them to Carlton.
Height is great and all, but I feel a forward line full of Stringers and Darlings and Gunstons would kick a helluva lotta goals.
Good forwards in the AFL have to be really good at SOMETHING. If they're enormous and strong and can take big marks standing shoulder to shoulder with a defender, that's one way. If they're super fast and agile, that's another, or super fit and can lead up on their opponent all day. They all need to be able to convert, too, and find ways to be useful without the ball or when the conditions don't suit (wet, windy, whatever).
Guys who can do lots of things are, of course, stars. But the bare minimum is you have to have a few of these things.
Casboult can take contested marks, and can contribute via physicality and second-ruck flexibility. That's it. He's borderline as an AFL player.
No other Carlton forward is AFL standard.
Adam "The Saviour" Tomlinson only have fitness/running ability of these attributes, regardless of his height, so I think he's fool's gold.
Height is great and all, but I feel a forward line full of Stringers and Darlings and Gunstons would kick a helluva lotta goals.
Good forwards in the AFL have to be really good at SOMETHING. If they're enormous and strong and can take big marks standing shoulder to shoulder with a defender, that's one way. If they're super fast and agile, that's another, or super fit and can lead up on their opponent all day. They all need to be able to convert, too, and find ways to be useful without the ball or when the conditions don't suit (wet, windy, whatever).
Guys who can do lots of things are, of course, stars. But the bare minimum is you have to have a few of these things.
Casboult can take contested marks, and can contribute via physicality and second-ruck flexibility. That's it. He's borderline as an AFL player.
No other Carlton forward is AFL standard.
Adam "The Saviour" Tomlinson only have fitness/running ability of these attributes, regardless of his height, so I think he's fool's gold.
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Saviours can **** off to Richmond - oh wait, Yazz already has........
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At the moment the AA full back would have to be Gibson who is 189cm.
I've watched that guy break open packs and deliver up forward way too many times.
Are you implying that Stringer is more a midfielder than a forward?
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