List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Inner Sanctum Thread. Part 3

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A lot of talent in the top ten also though
That's true! We had Gresham at 6 on our draft board last year and got him at 14, so depends on how Trout and Ameet see the pool this year and think someone may slide or not. We had Brandon White inside the top 15 and selected him at 40.
 

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Can't say I have seen much of Brand. Is he a definite full back type?
If we got him would we be looking at Goddard as a third tall defender/ if we wanted dizzy locking goddard into the full back role?
 
You're just making stuff up Bill.

Billy was our ruckman in 2015 & did a great job holding down the #1 spot as a 21 year old.

If he hadn't needed a shoulder reco then he would have started 2016 as the incumbent. He didn't & Hick went from being a VFL standard ruckman in
2015 (the 10 second memory crew conveniently forget that too) to an borderline elite AFL ruckman.

The cold hard reality is actually that Billy was re-signed for 2 years about 6 weeks ago. And that is fact no matter what you want to say.

If you want to judge him on one really disappointing injury ruined season then go for your life. 12 months ago you were probably doing the same to Hickey.


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What am I making up exactly? It is my opinion that he has average skills, not sure you can make up an opinion. Perhaps you could argue that I am making up that he doesn't have the work ethic to make it. Again this is opinion, and it certainly is not without basis. Pretty unusual for a current day AFL player to come back from 4 weeks off as fat as a house. Doesn't happen if you have the necessary maturity and work ethic to make it at the elite level. The only people that get away with that are blokes like Brian Lake who are naturally very gifted. Longer most certainly does not have the skills to get away with it.

Also, a shoulder injury should not necessarily result in you having such poor fitness this year. Case in point: Tim Membrey also has a shoulder reconstruction, works on his running all summer becomes a vastly better player than last year. Longer has a shoulder reconstruction, comes back unfit and everybody makes excuses. Hard to argue my point from a fitness perspective either, even ITK's indicated that his approach to getting back into the side was underwhelming. Are they making stuff up as well?

FWIW, I was absolutely surprised at Hickey's rise this year but not completely shocked either. Always preferred Hickey to Longer. Ruckman that can't mark or find the ball are borderline pointless, or at the very least extremely replaceable. Hickey at least always showed signs he sticky hands and was an aerial threat.

Rather than make excuses for blokes like Longer, I want rather see us move on from blokes like this. Bust your balls or get out as far as I am concerned. You might think Longer has that in him, perhaps he does, I am not confident.
 
Could Brand be the KPD? thinking out loud

198cm, 92kgs, only 22 & better disposal than Delaney IMO

Gardiner more of a Dempster type rather than a E-Mac type
He's Dempster-sized, but was a genuine full back as a junior.

Can either play there or as a 3rd tall if we ran Goddard and Carlisle in tandem.
 
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