List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Part 1

[bird_man]

What is prestias, Whitfield and JOM value in relation to each other

All would involve our first round pick in on way or another.

 

[saintkildaman]

GWS have up to 5 academy players coming in. Wish we could've done the Freeman deal without giving away this years second rounder, could've been very handy.

Say we trade Hickey for a early second round pick.
Then give Hickey pick as well as 3rd round (even 4th if need be) for one of GWS late 1st rounders?
So essentially turning Hickey and a 3rd rounder into a first round pick.
Say we finish with pick 5, then get pick 14(there abouts) from GWS. Pick up some classy outside mids and we are laughing.

 

[plugger66]

Didn't melb do it kast year to get oliver?

I believe so.

 

[majortinkle]

That's fine but why does two first round picks help us get a FA? I agree we need a FA but they aren't as easy to get as people would have thought. Most clubs lock their stars in to long contracts. The only possible reason we would want 2 first round picks in the draft is to get a proven player that will cost 2 first round picks. There is no point in swapping one years first rounder for another years just to use it in the draft.

At some point you need to condense the age groups of your talent to get ahead of the curve and make a run for the prize.

I was suggesting that you potentially draw a line in the sand at this next draft (which at this point seems very favourable to our needs) and concentrate on FAs from then onwards until we believe we have a winning list and then go back to the draft to try and elongate our period at the top once we get there.

Condense the core talent on the list between 2011 and 2016 drafts.

 

[majortinkle]

GWS have up to 5 academy players coming in. Wish we could've done the Freeman deal without giving away this years second rounder, could've been very handy.

Say we trade Hickey for a early second round pick.
Then give Hickey pick as well as 3rd round (even 4th if need be) for one of GWS late 1st rounders?
So essentially turning Hickey and a 3rd rounder into a first round pick.
Say we finish with pick 5, then get pick 14(there abouts) from GWS. Pick up some classy outside mids and we are laughing.

Who do we replace Hickey with though in that forward/ruck role and what would it cost us?

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yep, if we like what we see in this year's first round I'd be very very open to trading next year's first rounder for a first rounder this year, so that those two first round picks can get a season under their belt ASAP and be ready to support Armo and Steven in particular while they're still young enough.

One potential issue though is not necessarily with not having a first round pick for the 2017 draft though, it's not having a first rounder to trade if someone like Josh Kelly comes out of contract at the end of 2017 and is wiling to come to us. Actually, half of GWS's list is due to come out of contract at the end of 2017 (including Shiel) so it would definitely be a fair sized risk to not have that pick available to trade.

It would also come down to how we project to play in 2017. If we really feel we're going to be ready to shoot up into the finals and a club is willing to trade us a top 10 pick in this year's draft for what may be a pick above 10 in the 2017 draft, then it could be well worth doing. I think that's a big part of why Melbourne were willing to trade this year's first rounder for the top 10 pick that got them Weiderman in last year's draft (the other being that someone like Weiderman is likely to take a while to hit his straps, so the sooner you get him the sooner he can start developing).

 

[plugger66]

At some point you need to condense the age groups of your talent to get ahead of the curve and make a run for the prize.

I was suggesting that you potentially draw a line in the sand at this next draft (which at this point seems very favourable to our needs) and concentrate on FAs from then onwards until we believe we have a winning list and then go back to the draft to try and elongate our period at the top once we get there.

Condense the core talent on the list between 2011 and 2016 drafts.

Well I don't think going to 2017 makes any difference to anyone. I also don't think it helps you get FA and I think you can get a FA still as well as a first round pick. Imagine if Freeman doesn't play this year. There will be outrage when we don't have a second round pick at the end of this year. The way we are going we will have bugger all players from the 2011 and 12 draft anyway.

 

[plugger66]

Yep, if we like what we see in this year's first round I'd be very very open to trading next year's first rounder for a first rounder this year, so that those two first round picks can get a season under their belt ASAP and be ready to support Armo and Steven in particular while they're still young enough.

One potential issue though is not necessarily with not having a first round pick for the 2017 draft though, it's not having a first rounder to trade if someone like Josh Kelly comes out of contract at the end of 2017 and is wiling to come to us. Actually, half of GWS's list is due to come out of contract at the end of 2017 (including Shiel) so it would definitely be a fair sized risk to not have that pick available to trade.

And that is my point. Trading for 2 first rounders is great this year but many will whinge next season when we don't have one and some star is available. Its a short term fix that could work or be a bust. I don't see the reward for the risk.

 

[aussierulesrules]

And that is my point. Trading for 2 first rounders is great this year but many will whinge next season when we don't have one and some star is available. Its a short term fix that could work or be a bust. I don't see the reward for the risk.

Of course it could be a bust, but that's life. There are no guarantees either way, so you've just got to go with the way that you believe is best for you, taking all your circumstances into consideration.

As for the "whinge" part, I think you worry far too much about that. Again, that's life, not everyone is going to be happy all the time, or agree with the direction you're taking, so you've just got to do what you believe is best and let come what may. There's no point worrying about that shit or it will do your head in and you'll never take a risk and life will pass you by as you sit in the corner, scared to do anything, because of "what if's".

 

[crasha301]

Yep, if we like what we see in this year's first round I'd be very very open to trading next year's first rounder for a first rounder this year, so that those two first round picks can get a season under their belt ASAP and be ready to support Armo and Steven in particular while they're still young enough.

One potential issue though is not necessarily with not having a first round pick for the 2017 draft though, it's not having a first rounder to trade if someone like Josh Kelly comes out of contract at the end of 2017 and is wiling to come to us. Actually, half of GWS's list is due to come out of contract at the end of 2017 (including Shiel) so it would definitely be a fair sized risk to not have that pick available to trade.

It would also come down to how we project to play in 2017. If we really feel we're going to be ready to shoot up into the finals and a club is willing to trade us a top 10 pick in this year's draft for what may be a pick above 10 in the 2017 draft, then it could be well worth doing. I think that's a big part of why Melbourne were willing to trade this year's first rounder for the top 10 pick that got them Weiderman in last year's draft (the other being that someone like Weiderman is likely to take a while to hit his straps, so the sooner you get him the sooner he can start developing).

We could still trade our first rounder in 2018.

 

[majortinkle]

Yep, if we like what we see in this year's first round I'd be very very open to trading next year's first rounder for a first rounder this year, so that those two first round picks can get a season under their belt ASAP and be ready to support Armo and Steven in particular while they're still young enough.

One potential issue though is not necessarily with not having a first round pick for the 2017 draft though, it's not having a first rounder to trade if someone like Josh Kelly comes out of contract at the end of 2017 and is wiling to come to us. Actually, half of GWS's list is due to come out of contract at the end of 2017 (including Shiel) so it would definitely be a fair sized risk to not have that pick available to trade.

It would also come down to how we project to play in 2017. If we really feel we're going to be ready to shoot up into the finals and a club is willing to trade us a top 10 pick in this year's draft for what may be a pick above 10 in the 2017 draft, then it could be well worth doing. I think that's a big part of why Melbourne were willing to trade this year's first rounder for the top 10 pick that got them Weiderman in last year's draft (the other being that someone like Weiderman is likely to take a while to hit his straps, so the sooner you get him the sooner he can start developing).

That definitely adds another 'what if' to the scenario, but by the end of 2017 I doubt any GWS player who is getting a game will want to leave. When does age to exposure start to hit the value of the guys not getting a game....not sure, GWS is a bit of an unprecedented case really. Part of that is that with GWS you always have the chance to bulk up the lower picks to get the points if the guy we want nominates us.

 

[aussierulesrules]

We could still trade our first rounder in 2018.

Except that if we want to get a "bonafied A-grade gun" like Shiel we're going to need more than one first rounder and especially if it looks like we're likely to be a better team that following year. One first rounder in what may be the 12-18 range isn't going to come close to getting the deal done and it's the really high-end talent like Shiel that we really need to look to add.

 

[plugger66]

Of course it could be a bust, but that's life. There are no guarantees either way, so you've just got to go with the way that you believe is best for you, taking all your circumstances into consideration.

As for the "whinge" part, I think you worry far too much about that. Again, that's life, not everyone is going to be happy all the time, or agree with the direction you're taking, so you've just got to do what you believe is best and let come what may. There's no point worrying about that shit or it will do your head in and you'll never take a risk and life will pass you by as you sit in the corner, scared to do anything, because of "what if's".

You have me confused for someone who worries about things. Couldn't be less laid back. My point is why do it at all. I haven't heard one benefit that will help our club in the longer term. Seems like a short term fix with the chances of reward not being any better than just leaving things as is. There is no doubt IMO people like the idea because it sounds like a short term fix. I'm happy to do it if we trade at least one or both the picks for a proven player but just using it in the draft seems like a waste of time.

 

[majortinkle]

Well I don't think going to 2017 makes any difference to anyone. I also don't think it helps you get FA and I think you can get a FA still as well as a first round pick. Imagine if Freeman doesn't play this year. There will be outrage when we don't have a second round pick at the end of this year. The way we are going we will have bugger all players from the 2011 and 12 draft anyway.

Newnes, Bruce, Longer, Ross and Webster makes you seem a bit harsh on 2011

I'm talking about FA's not out of contracts so a lack of pick wouldn't hurt us.

 

[crasha301]

Except that if we want to get a "bonafied A-grade gun" like Shiel we're going to need more than one first rounder and especially if it looks like we're likely to be a better team that following year. One first rounder in what may be the 12-18 range isn't going to come close to getting the deal done and it's the really high-end talent like Shiel that we really need to look to add.

We could draft to elite players this year and not need to trade for shiel ect either.

 

[plugger66]

Newnes, Bruce, Longer, Ross and Webster makes you seem a bit harsh on 2011

I'm talking about FA's not out of contracts so a lack of pick wouldn't hurt us.

What is a FA not out of contract? Seems like I get the year wrong. That year is going well.

 

[majortinkle]

What is a FA not out of contract? Seems like I get the year wrong. That year is going well.

I meant Restricted Free Agents - they'd be Carlisle's draft year in 2017.

Not sure I'm abiding by my own condensing years there, but if you cut me some slack......

 

[majortinkle]

Thinking about the Forward/Ruck role.

With Gault being upgraded ahead of Cox and multiple similar types on their list now, do we think there's a chance of getting Cox as an Unrestricted Free Agent to fill the role?

Holmes to back up Longer, Pierce (or more likely a tall forward pinch-hitting) to back up Cox - Hickey becomes available for trade.

 

[sauce_head]

He's still got 12 months of structureless life to live before we get him back to training. I'm nervous. Both could be strokes of genius or that sliding door moment where someone we could have got becomes a gun and we talk about it for decades.

If he's working in construction he's probably still subject to random drug testing so should all be okay...

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

You guys are all rose coloured glasses artists.

We swapped #5 straight for Carlisle and because of that we missed Parish.

It must be true cause David King pronounced it on Foxfooty.

I can't believe we did that after giving up picks 12 and 13 for Tom Lee!

 

[St Significant]

What is prestias, Whitfield and JOM value in relation to each other

Wouldn't be too much difference in all 3 except for JOM's knee issue but I would be throwing the kitchen sink at Whitfield IMO

 

[Joffaboy]

I can't believe we did that after giving up picks 12 and 13 for Tom Lee!

I know, I know....

 

[Joffaboy]

Wouldn't be too much difference in all 3 except for JOM's knee issue but I would be throwing the kitchen sink at Whitfield IMO

time for this thread to start having some colour and memes

 

[Mowman]

I can't believe we did that after giving up picks 12 and 13 for Tom Lee!

Doesn't matter what we gave up for Lee it was to much, List clogger

 

[Barrels]

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