Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

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That doesn't really seem to fit, but who knows?
It's not as though we won't have KPP experience at the NB's next year, unless they go down like flies.

We are still very thin in terms of mature bodies around the 25 year old age. Having that especially if injuries occur is very helpful in our development. They won't cost much and can be gone in a year. I just see it as a stop gap as we bring in more kids next week and even more at the end of 2018.
 
What we need is a team that can kick 350 goals in a season.
I don't care if they come from the backline and or forwards go goals. Just get me those 350 goals.

Send you back in time.

Our 1979 team kicked over 400 goals in the home and away season.

Our leading goal kickers for the full premiership season was as follows:

Ken Sheldon 53 goals
Mark Maclure 45
Rod Galt 36 (just 14 games, not in grand final team)
Mike Fitzpatrick 36
Alex Marcou 34
Wayne Johnston 31
Vin Catoggio 30 (16 games, not in grand final team)
Wayne Harmes 25 (surprised, thought he was back pocket most of season)
 
Bottom side in 1980 nearly got that.

Believe it or not, the bottom side in that season kicked more goals in home and away than the team on top of ladder.
Food for thought.

Good food for thought, however by the same logic our forward line is complete and as long as our team restricts the opposition from scoring more than us in every game than we win every game.
Sounds obvious, although it never worked for Ross Lyon coached teams.
For the record I don't think we need another forward.
 

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I still feel that most of Pickett's best work was not quite right.....he NEARLY did something brilliant.... he ALMOST pulled off something spectacular.

I expect this did and will improve with increased fitness, game time and confidence.

I want to believe he will put it all together, because if he does he is going to be a genuine game-breaker.
For all that I really think he'll be great, I have to agree.

I hope he makes good on his promise, but at the moment that's what it is. He gets 10 possessions in 5 minutes, with the majority of them being almost moments. We'll see, I suppose.
 
Send you back in time.

Our 1979 team kicked over 400 goals in the home and away season.

Our leading goal kickers for the full premiership season was as follows:

Ken Sheldon 53 goals
Mark Maclure 45
Rod Galt 36 (just 14 games, not in grand final team)
Mike Fitzpatrick 36
Alex Marcou 34
Wayne Johnston 31
Vin Catoggio 30 (16 games, not in grand final team)
Wayne Harmes 25 (surprised, thought he was back pocket most of season)

Yep I know, I was there to watch every one of those games. Lost 3 games for the year and beat Collingwood. again..... for the Premiership. That was 39 years ago and footy has changed a little.

Casboult 34.18
Wright 30.12
Curnow: 20.12
Silvagni 19.17
Gibbs 17.13
Total: 120.72
62.5% conversion rate.
Increase that to 75% and all of sudden we have another 24 goals on the board.
I cannot understand how AFL coaches continue to ignore such an important KPI.
Cost Melbourne a finals spot. I suppose there is always something good that comes out of it.
 
North Melbourne in 1989 had Wayne Carey and Longmire early in their careers kick 9 goals between them that season in a total of 20 games combined. Get some patience. In that moment North did not have someone kick 30 to 50 goals but those guys in future were more than capable of doing that. North just had to be patient as they developed for a few years and started really make inroads in 1993 with big winning scores. 1994 they missed the grand final by a late goal from GOD in one of best preliminary finals ever.
What you are suggesting of getting Crameri would be like North Melbourne chasing a washed up Warwick Capper and hoping they going to be in a grand final the next year.

We got some young tall forwards like Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow, Jack Silvagni and Pat Kerr needing time to develop and learn to play against far more seasoned bodies week after week. We already got Casboult taking some of their space, why would we fill the forward line with another marking forward like Crameri and not let them develop ?

I just do not get the short sighted view here. Surely you realise we realistically are not going to be contender for premierships until next decade. If we were like Port and thought a top up for a current contention was worth doing, then it might make some sense but Crameri to Carlton makes no sense to me. Much rather let the young guys develop and learn to play the forward line themselves and learn to kick more goals and they get more games under their belt. Some of these players to kick 30 to 50 goals are on our list already and could be doing that in a year or two. In 3 to 5 years we may have 3 to 4 guys able to all kick over 40 goals in a season. That excites me to watch them develop together.
Crameri does not excite me at all. Total dead end plan there. Best before 2016 should be written on his player file.

Bottom 3 it is. It makes sense to get someone who could help the development, but hey let's stick with Daisy, he has been a great investment. How much did he cost us? How many games has he played? Took two years to kick the ball over a jam tin.
 
I don't quite understand the O'Shea reasoning. Handy for the NB's but how does he help at Senior level? Tall defenders aren't exactly an area we struggle with
I can't think of a better way to entice better-quality players to the Northern Blues than throwing this kind of carrot in front of them.

We might wind up re-drafting Boekhorst, but it will show we're prepared to look at players who perform well at Northern.
 
Bottom 3 it is. It makes sense to get someone who could help the development, but hey let's stick with Daisy, he has been a great investment. How much did he cost us? How many games has he played? Took two years to kick the ball over a jam tin.

Crameri, Daisy, got no idea where you mind is but asking all the wrong questions for mine as ferrisb rightly summarised.

Anyway, not to worry. Thankfully SOS is doing all the list managing and we can all just come up with our own crazy ideas and amuse ourselves.

****ing devastated Doch injured which underlines our premiership window is more likely next decade and Crameri ideas not worth contemplating.
 
Bottom 3 it is. It makes sense to get someone who could help the development, but hey let's stick with Daisy, he has been a great investment. How much did he cost us? How many games has he played? Took two years to kick the ball over a jam tin.
If daisy plays more than 8 games next year I’ll be bitterly disappointed
As that will be proof in pudding that we haven’t progressed
Let’s hope so anyways
 

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Send you back in time.

Our 1979 team kicked over 400 goals in the home and away season.

Our leading goal kickers for the full premiership season was as follows:

Ken Sheldon 53 goals
Mark Maclure 45
Rod Galt 36 (just 14 games, not in grand final team)
Mike Fitzpatrick 36
Alex Marcou 34
Wayne Johnston 31
Vin Catoggio 30 (16 games, not in grand final team)
Wayne Harmes 25 (surprised, thought he was back pocket most of season)

Re Harmes

A tad difficult to punch a football into the goal square from 2m over the boundary line while playing in the back pocket.........
 
Doc out makes things interesting from a Best 22 perspective. He's a big out, but I reckon we can cover him well enough that improvement on other lines will see overall improvement on the park.

FB: Simpson, Jones, Marchbank
HB: Mullett, Weitering, Plowman
C: Lang, Cuningham, E. Curnow
R: Kreuzer, Cripps, Kennedy
HF: Murphy, McKay, C. Curnow
FF: Silvagni, Casboult, Pickett
INT: SPS, Fisher, Williamson, Byrne

Then we're still pulling strings to try and fit in Macreadie, Kerr, Polson, and Lebois plus our three shiny new top 30 draftees.

Wright and Lamb stiff to miss on last year's efforts, but prefer to get games into the young'uns if possible.

Plus depth options in Graham, Kerridge, ASOS, Lobbe, Phillips, Thomas, Boekhorst(?).

Mullett, Lang, Byrne and Williamson between them should be able to cover that HB rebounding position. rotating where necessary to keep them fresh as well as use their strengths through the middle and on the wing as well.

Wouldn't be against Kerr taking Jack's spot up forward, and playing Jack off the bench as a utility as well.
 
Cam O'Shea might get the rookie spot nod over Matt Shaw now that Doc has gone down. Hope you guys rookie both of them. I've always thought Shaw could play. He played his role at the Suns well for most of his 102 games up until the last two seasons.
 
Doc out makes things interesting from a Best 22 perspective. He's a big out, but I reckon we can cover him well enough that improvement on other lines will see overall improvement on the park.

FB: Simpson, Jones, Marchbank
HB: Mullett, Weitering, Plowman
C: Lang, Cuningham, E. Curnow
R: Kreuzer, Cripps, Kennedy
HF: Murphy, McKay, C. Curnow
FF: Silvagni, Casboult, Pickett
INT: SPS, Fisher, Williamson, Byrne

Then we're still pulling strings to try and fit in Macreadie, Kerr, Polson, and Lebois plus our three shiny new top 30 draftees.

Wright and Lamb stiff to miss on last year's efforts, but prefer to get games into the young'uns if possible.

Plus depth options in Graham, Kerridge, ASOS, Lobbe, Phillips, Thomas, Boekhorst(?).

Mullett, Lang, Byrne and Williamson between them should be able to cover that HB rebounding position. rotating where necessary to keep them fresh as well as use their strengths through the middle and on the wing as well.

Wouldn't be against Kerr taking Jack's spot up forward, and playing Jack off the bench as a utility as well.
Not a bad side but Sps is starting 18 all day everyday.Add the first round draftees as well and as crazy as it looks on paper we don't look that bad.
 
Not a bad side but Sps is starting 18 all day everyday.Add the first round draftees as well and as crazy as it looks on paper we don't look that bad.

Agree wholeheartedly, but the challenge is in fitting him in that starting 22. Who moves to the bench?

Lang - for balance he provides much more pace on the wing and has a few extra preseasons under his belt.

Cuningham - should be given every opportunity to take Gibbs starting spot as a like for like inside/outside mid.

Kennedy - we got him for a reason, he'll be in the guts.

Murphy - likely the captain again, still have him pegged to start at HF more often than not.

Pickett - maybe, but i'm more comfortable parking Pickett in a forward pocket than SPS, would rather Samo played in the middle as much as possible.

I'm sure SPS will start on field during a number of games, but when crafting a starting 22 he's first off the bench for me. Purely on balance and structure, not ability.
 
I think the backline is the area we can most cover a loss of Doc's significance. Not that I am downplaying the impact his absence has, just that his role can be performed by 2-3 of our other defenders. I think Bolts will be able to cover it. Won't be the same, but I think it will get the job done.
 
Doc out makes things interesting from a Best 22 perspective. He's a big out, but I reckon we can cover him well enough that improvement on other lines will see overall improvement on the park.

FB: Simpson, Jones, Marchbank
HB: Mullett, Weitering, Plowman
C: Lang, Cuningham, E. Curnow
R: Kreuzer, Cripps, Kennedy
HF: Murphy, McKay, C. Curnow
FF: Silvagni, Casboult, Pickett
INT: SPS, Fisher, Williamson, Byrne

Then we're still pulling strings to try and fit in Macreadie, Kerr, Polson, and Lebois plus our three shiny new top 30 draftees.

Wright and Lamb stiff to miss on last year's efforts, but prefer to get games into the young'uns if possible.

Plus depth options in Graham, Kerridge, ASOS, Lobbe, Phillips, Thomas, Boekhorst(?).

Mullett, Lang, Byrne and Williamson between them should be able to cover that HB rebounding position. rotating where necessary to keep them fresh as well as use their strengths through the middle and on the wing as well.

Wouldn't be against Kerr taking Jack's spot up forward, and playing Jack off the bench as a utility as well.

I think you’re close to the money BB.

Doc is unreplaceable in this team but I want to see Byrne and Williamson both off half back with license to take risk and set up the play. Both exquisite and penetrating kicks, might as well attempt to make the best of a bad situation.
 
Send you back in time.

Our 1979 team kicked over 400 goals in the home and away season.

Our leading goal kickers for the full premiership season was as follows:

Ken Sheldon 53 goals
Mark Maclure 45
Rod Galt 36 (just 14 games, not in grand final team)
Mike Fitzpatrick 36
Alex Marcou 34
Wayne Johnston 31
Vin Catoggio 30 (16 games, not in grand final team)
Wayne Harmes 25 (surprised, thought he was back pocket most of season)

150 years
Most Premierships
Only ONE Century goalkicker
 
Things are certainly going to be interesting next season. Last year we were really carried by Murphy, Kruezer, Gibbs and Doc. We have already lost two of them so if we get a few injuries we could be a big chance for the spoon.
If this happens then it will be very interesting to see what pressure Boulton and even SOS come under. It will also make it bloody hard to recruit without going off the strategy of not overpaying players.
Massive season coming up and I think by the end of next year we will know 100% if SOS and Boulton are the right man for the job. Personally I think if we can be competitive all season and get 7-8 wins, with the kids playing a major role then for me sign them both up for another 5 years
 
Things are certainly going to be interesting next season. Last year we were really carried by Murphy, Kruezer, Gibbs and Doc. We have already lost two of them so if we get a few injuries we could be a big chance for the spoon.
If this happens then it will be very interesting to see what pressure Boulton and even SOS come under. It will also make it bloody hard to recruit without going off the strategy of not overpaying players.
Massive season coming up and I think by the end of next year we will know 100% if SOS and Boulton are the right man for the job. Personally I think if we can be competitive all season and get 7-8 wins, with the kids playing a major role then for me sign them both up for another 5 years

Time for the kids to take charge a bit more
 
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