List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 1

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah they probably have plenty but we still should have more. Surely 5 years of paying the absolute minimum salary cap has allowed us to save more money than anyone else?

Salary Cap doesn't work like that.

 

[PrinceofSeaford]

No chance we trade for Fyfe, Baines has been planning this deal for years, front load the **** out of the offer, it's Baines time baby.

what does front loading the deal do? i thought freo only had to match the total contract within the same amount of years, regardless of how much is paid in any specific year

 

[gringo2011]

Salary Cap doesn't work like that.

You can carry over money but only for couple of seasons I believe. The AFL made it so that bottom clubs didn't have to over pay crap players and it left a war chest for the strugglers to attract free agents.

 

[Sir Skid]

Ok. Just got off the plane in Perth to check this sh1t out

4hr after taking off and the Saints board has lit up. Love it.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Salary Cap doesn't work like that.

It does in a way. For example we've only been paying 95% of our salary cap, and if you're been underpaying for some amount of time(not sure how long) you're allowed to overpay on the salary up to 105%. At least that's what I thought it was but I've been known to be wrong from time to time...

 

[Joffaboy]

Hey has anyone heard the rumour we are into Fyfe?

Only read AFL.com.au and donuts on that.

 

[Crusty Undies]

what does front loading the deal do? i thought freo only had to match the total contract within the same amount of years, regardless of how much is paid in any specific year

Yes this is correct. But if we paid Fyfe say 2 Million in his first 2 then 1 in his next three, they'd still have to match 7m over 5 years and in the three last years of Fyfe's deal we'd have more salary space.

 

[dewah07]

Would have been a great night for an EGM

 

[STK2020]

Slobbo on SEN Reckons its BS , i thinks he is pissed off on missing out on the story .

 

[Joffaboy]

Slobbo on SEN Reckons its BS , i thinks he is pissed off on missing out on the story .

He reckons we should give our Hawks pick for neckbeard?

 

[VDS66]

I

Only read AFL.com.au and donuts on that.

Know a Russian student that can get you new membership card for 2018...

 

[George]

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They only liked the post to take some heat away from the club.

They are up to their eyeballs in it, lets keep speculating regardless of the obvious statements that prove otherwise

Go fellas, keep the posts flowing, lets get this thread to 400 pages.

 

[holllywood]

We can go full 'Freo' on them, offer absolute peanuts in a trade and if they don't accept, get Fyfe to sit out for a year and then pick him up for donuts.

Freo were happy enough to do that to bend over GWS and get McCarthy over.

(Having said that, I hope we never do anything as disgraceful as that to a player we get to commit to us)

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Hey has anyone heard the rumour we are into Fyfe?

No, but I've heard Plugger mention Fyffe a couple times..

 

[George]

Gotta give it to Fitzy, he has got this board absolutely rocking today.

 

[PrinceofSeaford]

Yes this is correct. But if we paid Fyfe say 2 Million in his first 2 then 1 in his next three, they'd still have to match 7m over 5 years and in the three last years of Fyfe's deal we'd have more salary space.

yeah i know mate but that has no influence on us getting fyfe without having to trade

 

[Crusty Undies]

yeah i know mate but that has no influence on us getting fyfe without having to trade

I mean.. Actually it does... If Freo can't pay as much as we can then we don't need to trade for him... And seeing as it looks like we can pay more than they can I'd say it has everything to do with it, but that's just me.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Just watching the replay again.

Gee we're killing that "3 flags in 4 years" mob.

Fyfe may have to bide his time at Sandy


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[George]

302 posts in this thread since the story broke this morning.

 

[plugger66]

I mean.. Actually it does... If Freo can't pay as much as we can then we don't need to trade for him... And seeing as it looks like we can pay more than they can I'd say it has everything to do with it, but that's just me.

I reckon if Freo win a few more games they will do what they can to free up space especially if Hawthorn finish down the ladder. They may not be able to do it but they will be trying very hard.

 

[PrinceofSeaford]

I mean.. Actually it does... If Freo can't pay as much as we can then we don't need to trade for him... And seeing as it looks like we can pay more than they can I'd say it has everything to do with it, but that's just me.

just because we front load the deal doesn't mean they have to aswell. if we give 1.5 over 5 years and front load it, they still only have to pay 1.5 over 5. they can structure it how they like as long as they match the total of 7.5 over 5 years.

so regardless of weather we pay 2 mil in the first year or 500k it will have no influence on Freo's ability to match the offer, but thats just me.

 

[Joffaboy]

We can go full 'Freo' on them, offer absolute peanuts in a trade and if they don't accept, get Fyfe to sit out for a year and then pick him up for donuts.

Freo were happy enough to do that to bend over GWS and get McCarthy over.

(Having said that, I hope we never do anything as disgraceful as that to a player we get to commit to us)

McCarthy was contracted.

 

[Crusty Undies]

just because we front load the deal doesn't mean they have to aswell. if we give 1.5 over 5 years and front load it, they still only have to pay 1.5 over 5. they can structure it how they like as long as they match the total of 7.5 over 5 years.

so regardless of weather we pay 2 mil in the first year or 500k it will have no influence on Freo's ability to match the offer, but thats just me.

Except that it actually will have some ability. 2m was an arbitrary example. But for the sake of it lets stick with it ok?
If we offer 2m first year and freo can only offer 1.5 we're up 500k, 2m second year and lets say freo can pay 1.6, still up 900k.
So long as we can maintain more than breakeven over the next 3 years which we really should given most of our contracts aren't even extended to then at this point. It makes every difference as over the last 3 years we should be able to pay anything they can...

 

[Strahany]

$1.5M per year on a player is the kind of money you'd offer Ablett Jr. at his prime - he was practically a walking Brownlow and if it wasn't for media influence on umpires I suspect he'd have had 4 by now.

Fyfe has had the following:

• Pre 2013: Showing signs but also significant shoulder injury concerns
• 2013: BnF
• 2014: BnF + MVP + AA
• 2015: Brownlow + MVP + AA
• 2016: Broken leg after a poor start

I am not convinced that Fyfe will continue this kind of form on a long term basis. Whilst he should still be elite, he will not be "$1.5M elite". Especially if he goes down with an injury.

And this is all being said under the assumption that he would come across via Free Agency. If a trade is required, or even necessitates the use of our highest first round pick after forcing him into the draft, then that is a categorical no. There are far better uses of the money (and potentially the picks).

For example, imagine having to trade two first round picks and pay Fyfe 1.5M. For the same kind of money and picks, you could net Rockliff (FA @~800k) and the pair of Whitfield and Hopper (two first round picks on ~800K combined). For the same pick outlay and only an extra $100k, we set our midfield up for the short AND long term, plus do not force ourselves into a corner due to having one player on such a large sum of money. And you can bet that Fyfe, being the business focused individual that he is, would have salary protection written into his contract in the event of injury (A.Hamill 2 weeks, anyone?).

 

[Glen Buterol]

what does front loading the deal do? i thought freo only had to match the total contract within the same amount of years, regardless of how much is paid in any specific year

Baines don't give a ****, his time to shine, will get Fyfe & keep our picks. Bookmark it. campaigners a god.