List Mgmt. 2018 Draft, Free Agency & Trade Hypotheticals thread, Part II: Nothing happened!

[lollol]

If it was the NFL then Geelong could opt to trade him to the Gold Coast if they offered Geelong the best deal. Players would stop whining very quickly.

I just like the forced contract trading they have over there.

 

[doona]

I’d assume we have made plenty of room in our salary cap.

I’d use this seasons surplus to front a heap of cash for Franklins remaining contract years. Eg pay a larger lump sum this year and take it off the remain 4 years or so. It’s would really hold us in good stead for the future.

I wouldn't mind this if it was true. If we had a target for next year, paying buddy 2-2.5 mill this year and hitting the draft would be smart.

 

[TheMase]

I’d assume we have made plenty of room in our salary cap.

I’d use this seasons surplus to front a heap of cash for Franklins remaining contract years. Eg pay a larger lump sum this year and take it off the remain 4 years or so. It’s would really hold us in good stead for the future.

I’d agree with that but I think the AFL put measures in place to stop us from doing that.

Dodgy pricks

 

[doona]

I’d agree with that but I think the AFL put measures in place to stop us from doing that.

Dodgy pricks

Can't we though as long as in the X years specified we pay Y? Or do we have to stick to the exact contract year for year specified in the original Free Agency contract

 

[TheMase]

Can't we though as long as in the X years specified we pay Y? Or do we have to stick to the exact contract year for year specified in the original Free Agency contract

This article suggests that each year is locked in. (Also has a different peak period for his salary than others I’ve seen):

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/0c7a141bcd96ed14358b98de4f4168e7

• "An explicit acknowledgement that the long-term specific financial commitment over the nine-year agreement will apply to the Swans' total player payments for each of the nine years, regardless of how many years Franklin is available to play for the club."

So I don’t know whether that means we can’t move the amounts around, but I am sure that was also implicated.

 

[doona]

This article suggests that each year is locked in. (Also has a different peak period for his salary than others I’ve seen):

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/0c7a141bcd96ed14358b98de4f4168e7

• "An explicit acknowledgement that the long-term specific financial commitment over the nine-year agreement will apply to the Swans' total player payments for each of the nine years, regardless of how many years Franklin is available to play for the club."

So I don’t know whether that means we can’t move the amounts around, but I am sure that was also implicated.

That reads like you can't re-jig the contract. Well, we could just bring another player forward for the same result

 

[Mick Oxlong]

I just like the forced contract trading they have over there.

The NFL do it right!

 

[Chaisa]

I don't know what his family circumstances are but if he's just homesick that's a bit weak. He's a mature age recruit, not a pimply teenager.

Ftr his wife still lives in Perth and he has three young kids. Safe to say his circumstances are a bit different to most who use that excuse.

 

[Tedeski]

Any interest on Daniel Menzel? Maybe as part of the Rohan deal? I know he's a bit hot and cold but he's got legitimate talent. A bit Nick Davis like. Maybe just needs some new scenery.

No! If he's not good for the Cats then I trust them that he's not good for any team.
He's done.

 

[RW]

It's an interesting difference between America and Australia. Americans are far more likely to move state for college, for a job, to raise a family than Australians. We seem far more attached (not talking emotionally, I mean in practice) to where he grew up. Less mobile, less willing to move.

The US is one of the most efficient markets there is.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Ftr his wife still lives in Perth and he has three young kids. Safe to say his circumstances are a bit different to most who use that excuse.

No she doesn’t, she lives in Geelong!

 

[doona]

I just like the forced contract trading they have over there.

I'd be happy if a player was only allowed to nominate the state & salary, then the club with the player could auction the player off.

The salary for the elite maybe restrictive.

 

[Number37]

Ftr his wife still lives in Perth and he has three young kids. Safe to say his circumstances are a bit different to most who use that excuse.

3 kids under 5.

 

[Tedeski]

This article suggests that each year is locked in. (Also has a different peak period for his salary than others I’ve seen):

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/0c7a141bcd96ed14358b98de4f4168e7

• "An explicit acknowledgement that the long-term specific financial commitment over the nine-year agreement will apply to the Swans' total player payments for each of the nine years, regardless of how many years Franklin is available to play for the club."

So I don’t know whether that means we can’t move the amounts around, but I am sure that was also implicated.

I particularly have been amused at this part over the years Mase.
"Franklin will earn far less in his first three years at Sydney than he did at Hawthorn this season -- where his was paid about $900,000"
It says a lot of how out of touch the general AFL community was with how we were able get a deal done.

 

[The King!]

Conca done

 

[The King!]

Franklins deal is perfectly fine dollar wise media are just flogs

9 years was long but that’s our risk

Media and AFL were wrong the way they attacked us essentially

 

[lollol]

This article suggests that each year is locked in. (Also has a different peak period for his salary than others I’ve seen):

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/0c7a141bcd96ed14358b98de4f4168e7

• "An explicit acknowledgement that the long-term specific financial commitment over the nine-year agreement will apply to the Swans' total player payments for each of the nine years, regardless of how many years Franklin is available to play for the club."

So I don’t know whether that means we can’t move the amounts around, but I am sure that was also implicated.

Geez that’s unfair. As long as we pay the contracts total value, it should be up to buddy and us, when those funds are distributed. Like every other teams in the league.

 

[The King!]

Franklin was meant to go To GWS

We ruined the plans

 

[The Gong]

Ftr his wife still lives in Perth and he has three young kids. Safe to say his circumstances are a bit different to most who use that excuse.

Fair enough but it's also part of the industry that you're prepared to relocate if you've made the top grade and he was almost Geelong's B & F in his first year. His earning potential is significant and I think he owes Geelong some for the opportunity.

On the human side though I get that you need support with a young family (got four kids of my own).

 

[swansfan51]

Fair enough but it's also part of the industry that you're prepared to relocate if you've made the top grade and he was almost Geelong's B & F in his first year. His earning potential is significant and I think he owes Geelong some for the opportunity.

On the human side though I get that you need support with a young family (got four kids of my own).

The family stuff is an absolute red herring. He can be home in WA tomorrow and play for any of the 9 WAFL clubs, I'm sure they'd all compete for him.

What he actually wants is the right to nominate for a draft that says he could be required to play anywhere in the country, and be highly compensated for it, then **** off to wherever he chooses

 

[The Gong]

Conca done

Has to play for Fremantle. Poor bastard. God speed, Reece.

 

[TheMase]

Geez that’s unfair. As long as we pay the contracts total value, it should be up to buddy and us, when those funds are distributed. Like every other teams in the league.

Clearly they were pissed with how we, legally, managed to get Buddy to Sydney...

 

[RUNVS]

I’d assume we have made plenty of room in our salary cap.

I’d use this seasons surplus to front a heap of cash for Franklins remaining contract years. Eg pay a larger lump sum this year and take it off the remain 4 years or so. It’s would really hold us in good stead for the future.

Unfortunately we can't do that as Franklin's contract is fixed. We can't pay him more this year and then pay him less next year as a result.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Unfortunately we can't do that as Franklin's contract is fixed. We can't pay him more this year and then pay him less next year as a result.

Aren’t all contracts supposed to be fixed? I’m seeing players leave mid contract, left right and centre. They’re not worth the toilet paper they’re written on and wouldn’t hold up in court. Why? Where are the restrictions on the free agents of today on the big $$$? The AFL have a lot to answer for...especially when it comes to Sydney!

 

[The Gong]

Clearly they were pissed with how we, legally, managed to get Buddy to Sydney...

Don't want to go too far off topic but public comments from Mike Fitzpatrick showed his ignorance of how COLA was being applied and that is absolutely scary coming from a commissioner of the AFL. The whole thing was an absolute farce and their decisions were based on fallacies.