List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[Tarkyn_24]

What I find strange is an opposition club selecting a player that they know the other club will match for an Academy or F/S. Seems a waste of time.

Can't recall where it hasn't been matched.

Dunkley?

 

[CFC2010]

Not so much a courtesy but a legal obligation to honour his contract until his B sample comes back.


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I am calling bullshit on the B sample........something stinks here.

The A sample took two weeks.......just saying.

 

[35Daicos]

What a tough tough tough business football can be.

Cut throat.

Bolton is another who'll still have a chance to be snapped up over the next few months under the new rookie rule, but there aren't likely to be that many players taken after the initial lot that we've already heard about (Clarke, Mumford, Wagner and Weller) go.

Mitch Grigg has won the last two Magarey Medals but nobody wanted him either. He at least has had a fair crack at it (AFL) in the past, even Bolton had a brief chance to show what he could do, and didn't take it.

It is indeed a cut-throat business, and I feel very sorry for the many players who miss out on a list spot when they might have thought they were a genuine chance of getting drafted. Still, plenty of (mostly young) people will be finding out soon enough that they've missed out on a place at uni they were desperate to get, and that their plans have suddenly been messed up. Real life can be pretty cut-throat as well!!

 

[Quicky]

That's what I said. And I know it's been done to death because I'm one of the people that keeps explaining it.

Excuse the confusion. Your post said they were both Cat A.

 

[Apex36]

Dunkley?

Everyone thought that the Hawks would match for Mosquito today and they didn’t.

 

[TradeDraft]

I’m not sure he was even available for clubs to pick. Last year clubs nominated players pre rookie draft and they just went straight to the cat B list iirc.

Foxsport Article said we Nominated Him

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Now it’s done; two questions:

• So who we getting in the national draft 2019?
• How long before it’s called a super draft?

 

[Apex36]

Foxsport Article said we Nominated Him

Link?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Excuse the confusion. Your post said they were both Cat A.

Sorry, I meant one of them. But not sure which one. I hope Tohill because he's a key forward, and we now have some tall defenders on the senior list already so maybe not such a huge need to have Keane be ready to play at a moment's notice.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Foxsport Article said we Nominated Him

Yeah, clubs nominate prior to draft but doesn't always equal picking them up.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Now it’s done; two questions:

• So who we getting in the national draft 2019?
• How long before it’s called a super draft?

Well according to the rules we can keep dibs on Wraith because he didn't get drafted. Thariel Ter is another NGA boy coming through next year but apparently not that great.

 

[Copeland]

Well Marsh would now be available, so if/when Murray goes that must be a real chance.

Can that happen?

 

[Rusty Beam]

I’m amazed Stack when undrafted.

He was one I was keen on in the National Draft. Quite Bizarre.

 

[neilk]

Dunkley?

Mosquito?

 

[Dynamics]

I’m amazed Stack when undrafted.

He was one I was keen on in the National Draft. Quite Bizarre.

Just reading up... Disciplined for failing to meet training standards. Could that be why? They're pretty ruthless on that stuff these days.

176cm doesn't help either, but he's not a midget.

 

[35Daicos]

Can that happen?

It certainly should be on the cards, provided Murray gets banned for a long enough time and the club terminates his contract, which is what pretty much everyone must be expecting to happen. That would free up a Rookie List spot, and the new rookie rule they've brought in should allow us to pick an eligible replacement player (such as Marsh).

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-18/analysis-how-the-new-rookie-rule-will-change-football

Previously-listed footballers who spent a season or more out of the game no longer have to go through a nerve-racking draft experience to find an AFL home again as a Category A rookie.

They can instead sign with a club in the pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP) between December 1 and March 15, after all the drafts are over.

Shane Mumford and Zac Clarke are set to resume their careers by that route at Greater Western Sydney and (almost certainly) Essendon, respectively.

A number of ex-players reigniting AFL interest could join them: Jye Bolton, Mitch Grigg, Jonathon Marsh, Andrew Boston, Josh Clayton, Fraser Thurlow, Keegan Brooksby, Haiden Schloithe, Jesse Palmer, Sam Fisher, Corey Wagner, Matt Hammelmann and Alex Woodward.

 

[Scodog10]

Hey Sco, I know you were concerned with Ned Guy following the trade period but you were holding your powder dry until after the draft. How do you rate it with how it all panned out?

This post will be divisive and I already know which posters will have an issue with it*, but my opinion hasn’t changed. I’d need to clarify though that I’m not concerned. I’m just not prepared to get around him yet the way some have.

I’m struggling to articulate my thoughts on it so dot points might work best to start:

• He entered the trade period hamstrung by the ineptitude of our former list manager last year.
• We signed everyone we needed too.
• We addressed 2 of the 3 areas we needed to bolster, IMO.
• We missed our main target.

They were probably the main points I’d consider, but where I come undone is when I consider what we added and what we sacrificed. My thoughts from that are that you or I could have orchestrated it on our ears.

Covering the dot points. It cost us Gown, IMO, but I mean a kid in the 60’s so meh. You or I could have re-contracted everyone and doing that is a nod to the environment of the club not Guy. When the likes of Grundy, JDG, Sier, Phillips and Stephenson come off contract in 2-3 years time he’ll be tested and the only “error” was re-contracting Reid so early. I wanted us to add more speed (R2), strengthen the midfield (Beamer) and bring in a reliable KPF (Lynch). I think we missed Lynch a long way out so no judgement here.

Now why I’m saying we could have orchestrated it is our off-season was geared around having the points to acquire IQ and Kelly plus the work on Beamer was done primarily by Steele, Buckley and his wife. That isn’t to dismiss Guy’s involvement rather orchestrating the deal is his job and he did it. I could take or leave Roughead for McLarty as well. It’s a fine line though because if we win the race for Lynch it costs us Beams or Moore and you have to pick 2 of those 3 so which 2? Even then most of the work on Lynch wears done pre-Guy. The other element is we have no idea of our cap position and my opinion would change again if I knew that. For instance there’s guys I liked more than Greenwood such as Nic Newman or Jordan Murdoch. I would have delisted Murray to send a message (I assume it’ll happen anyway, but I would have a zero tolerance approach). Should I judge him on that stuff? Hell no.

The other point to note is clubs have completely changed how they approach the off-season. It’s no longer about getting wins, but rather 60-40 deals so it’s becoming increasingly difficult to look at a clubs off-season and say “they nailed it”. I tend to look now at individual moves and the one’s that stood out this off-season were Sydney’s trade with WC last night which was genius and Melbourne getting the two for one May/ KK for the Hogan pick. If I had to pick a club that I think didn’t put a foot wrong it was North. Polec will be every bit as good for them as Beamer is for us and Thomas is a better talent than IQ plus they got Pittard cheap.

*it was very different when I went to post it initially and I lost 20 mins of my life on it because I was logged out so I’ll just say that despite paying a bit for every move we made, our KPF profile is still shit and our midfield is aging we came out well. Take that as you will re Guy. What were your thoughts?

 

[35Daicos]

Link?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/024ecb1d2aa47e2e9d2acf386ff8cb5f

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

The club has released this article, so dare I say this is our final list. No Cat B listing for Wraith by the looks of it.

http://collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2018-11-23/the-draft-all-you-need-to-know

 

[35Daicos]

Foxsport Article said we Nominated Him

We needed to nominate Wraith the other day just to have a 'claim' on him, but we still didn't have to take him. The Western Bulldogs nominated Buku Khamis as well the other day, but then chose to take him after the National Draft and lodged the paperwork to secure him as a Cat. B Rookie. Wraith would have been available for any club to pick in the Rookie Draft because we chose not to claim him after the National Draft.

 

[Apex36]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/024ecb1d2aa47e2e9d2acf386ff8cb5f

I was talking about nominating for preselection before the rookie draft. Seems we didn’t, which is odd given that we nominated him in the ND, so by extension, would have considered matching a bid for him there...

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[TradeDraft]

Mosquito?

Went to Essendon

 

[Apex36]

Went to Essendon

Yes, that was his point Dave.

 

[unplugged]

I remember this exact time last year I posted somewhere "it's going to be so weird next year knowing the three players we're going to draft"

Didn't expect those 3 to remain the same and be the only new faces coming through our door. Unreal!