List Mgmt. 2018 Draft thread.

[TradeDraft]

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I really wanted Alex Woodward to get a go somewhere though.

 

[gardiner stand]

How’d you feel about being hamstrung somewhat with a lack of high picks and missing a bit of the live trading action?

 

[wicksy]

Anyone else pointed out that all players are from Oakleigh Chargers? LAAZZYYYYYY!!!!

 

[35Daicos]

I was talking about nominating for preselection before the rookie draft. Seems we didn’t, which is odd given that we nominated him in the ND, so by extension, would have considered matching a bid for him there...

I think when we nominated him the other day that was merely staking our 'claim' on him in case we wanted to take him in the National Draft (if someone else bid on him), or (much more likely) so we could just take him as a Cat. B Rookie if he was ignored in the ND. Plenty of NGA players were nominated the other day, with clubs obviously keeping their options open, but it seems that (after a few of them were taken in the main draft) only that one player the Bulldogs snapped up was wanted by the club that had a hold on them.

 

[nahnah]

Do we still have list spots? Fees like we would, we can still sign players from Dec 1 until March 15

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Do we still have list spots? Fees like we would, we can still sign players from Dec 1 until March 15

Only list spot we have left is for one more Category B rookie, but it's not compulsory. I don't think we'll be taking another one.

 

[nahnah]

How did hawthorn only draft 2 players ? I thought you had to take at least 3 in the National Draft ?

 

[TW Sherrin]

Lol at Marsh. He made his bed.

 

[Apex36]

How did hawthorn only draft 2 players ? I thought you had to take at least 3 in the National Draft ?

They probably upgraded a rookie to the main list prior to the draft. That counts as a selection.

 

[Apex36]

Lol at Marsh. He made his bed.

Still hope we list him in the VFL. He really was a leader in defence in his time with us there before he started playing senior footy.

 

[35Daicos]

They probably upgraded a rookie to the main list prior to the draft. That counts as a selection.

I think they've indicated they're upgrading Cousins, Glass and Mirra, so they have got that well and truly covered!

 

[TradeDraft]

How did hawthorn only draft 2 players ? I thought you had to take at least 3 in the National Draft ?

Upgraded Rookies don't get Called Out

 

[sr36]

This post will be divisive and I already know which posters will have an issue with it*, but my opinion hasn’t changed. I’d need to clarify though that I’m not concerned. I’m just not prepared to get around him yet the way some have.

I’m struggling to articulate my thoughts on it so dot points might work best to start:

• He entered the trade period hamstrung by the ineptitude of our former list manager last year.
• We signed everyone we needed too.
• We addressed 2 of the 3 areas we needed to bolster, IMO.
• We missed our main target.

They were probably the main points I’d consider, but where I come undone is when I consider what we added and what we sacrificed. My thoughts from that are that you or I could have orchestrated it on our ears.

Covering the dot points. It cost us Gown, IMO, but I mean a kid in the 60’s so meh. You or I could have re-contracted everyone and doing that is a nod to the environment of the club not Guy. When the likes of Grundy, JDG, Sier, Phillips and Stephenson come off contract in 2-3 years time he’ll be tested and the only “error” was re-contracting Reid so early. I wanted us to add more speed (R2), strengthen the midfield (Beamer) and bring in a reliable KPF (Lynch). I think we missed Lynch a long way out so no judgement here.

Now why I’m saying we could have orchestrated it is our off-season was geared around having the points to acquire IQ and Kelly plus the work on Beamer was done primarily by Steele, Buckley and his wife. That isn’t to dismiss Guy’s involvement rather orchestrating the deal is his job and he did it. I could take or leave Roughead for McLarty as well. It’s a fine line though because if we win the race for Lynch it costs us Beams or Moore and you have to pick 2 of those 3 so which 2? Even then most of the work on Lynch wears done pre-Guy. The other element is we have no idea of our cap position and my opinion would change again if I knew that. For instance there’s guys I liked more than Greenwood such as Nic Newman or Jordan Murdoch. I would have delisted Murray to send a message (I assume it’ll happen anyway, but I would have a zero tolerance approach). Should I judge him on that stuff? Hell no.

The other point to note is clubs have completely changed how they approach the off-season. It’s no longer about getting wins, but rather 60-40 deals so it’s becoming increasingly difficult to look at a clubs off-season and say “they nailed it”. I tend to look now at individual moves and the one’s that stood out this off-season were Sydney’s trade with WC last night which was genius and Melbourne getting the two for one May/ KK for the Hogan pick. If I had to pick a club that I think didn’t put a foot wrong it was North. Polec will be every bit as good for them as Beamer is for us and Thomas is a better talent than IQ plus they got Pittard cheap.

*it was very different when I went to post it initially and I lost 20 mins of my life on it because I was logged out so I’ll just say that despite paying a bit for every move we made, our KPF profile is still shit and our midfield is aging we came out well. Take that as you will re Guy. What were your thoughts?

Agree with most of that. Can't really judge his work without a far greater knowledge of contract sizes and salary cap implications for the future, that's his main job isn't it.

Just to add on the Lynch front, I'd like to think that if it was a bid off, we would have or should have walked away. If media reports are true, 6 years on huge money for a bloke who's already showing some signs of physical vulnerability, is a russian roulette move in my opinion.

My only real point of disagreement is with Melbourne. I think I must rate Hogan way higher and May much lower than everyone else, because I think that deal made them significantly worse in the short and long term.

 

[Soups]

Still hope we list him in the VFL. He really was a leader in defence in his time with us there before he started playing senior footy.

With Hore going to Melbourne he would be a handy replacement.

 

[Snoop Dog]

They're automatically a Cat A. Don't need to be drafted.

Nah dont think so. There is a rule that allows only one Irish kid to be a Cat B and any subsequent ones need to be Cat A....unless rules have changed but that was my understanding.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Only list spot we have left is for one more Category B rookie, but it's not compulsory. I don't think we'll be taking another one.

nahnah

If Murray comes off then yes we can add one. He gets his B Sample in mid January and penalty not far after that. If they did punt him I suspect Pickett a ready made replacement.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

nahnah

If Murray comes off then yes we can add one. He gets his B Sample in mid January and penalty not far after that. If they did punt him I suspect Pickett a ready made replacement.

Jon Marsh?

Wouldn’t he be handy, but not expensive?

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Only list spot we have left is for one more Category B rookie, but it's not compulsory. I don't think we'll be taking another one.

We may have a rookie spot open if Murray is banned for 2 or 4 years. The club expecting the B sample results in January.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

nahnah

If Murray comes off then yes we can add one. He gets his B Sample in mid January and penalty not far after that. If they did punt him I suspect Pickett a ready made replacement.

Who's Pickett?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Still hope we list him in the VFL. He really was a leader in defence in his time with us there before he started playing senior footy.

Marsh seemed like a good lad, and he’d probably come back with a positive attitude ...

... but for us, hard to see where he fits in our backline.

We have a stable backline of:

Maynard
Langdon
Crisp
Howe

Apply backline list changes:

- Smith
- Oxley
- Murray (Assuming he’s gone)
+ Roughhead
+ Quaynor
+ Kelly
+ Keane
+ Tohill

Add backline players coming back from injury:

+ Scharenberg
+ Dunn
+ Moore

Add existing developing backline players:

+ Murphy
+ Madgen

Add serviceable backline veterans:

+ Goldsack
+ Mayne
+ Varcoe

With Beams going into the midfield, midfield players could move back:

+ Adams
+ Pendlebury (Yes, this is contentious)

I just can’t see how we could justify a place for Marsh amongst all of that.

 

[HFF]

An off season containing:

-Adding Dayne Beams
-Roughead depth.
-Still ended up with a first and second round pick -IQ and Kelly anyway at the expense of lower picks (effectively trading away a future first rounder for Beams).
- No points deficit in 2019.
-Rounded out another academy player in Atu without a bid.

Can't really complain with that.
Upto the development of the club and the young boys themselves to now make it all work.

 

[35Daicos]

Who's Pickett?

Marlion Pickett is a mature-aged indigenous player from WA.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-10/wafl-watch-suns-eagles-tracking-tough-mid-pickett

GOLD Coast and West Coast are tracking ready-to-go South Fremantle midfielder Marlion Pickett ahead of a near-certain step up to AFL ranks next season.

AFL.com.au understands the Suns, keen to bolster their onball stocks, have spoken to the 26-year-old, described by one WAFL official as "hard as they come".

Pickett has shone this season after switching from playing as a rebounding half-back into midfield to cover the absence of last year's Sandover Medal runner-up Kelly.

Marlion Pickett (South Fremantle)
A breakout performance in round six against Swan Districts showed why Pickett has recruiters excited. The tough nut asked for a switch into midfield from half-back this season to make the most of his pace and skills, and soon delivered a 30-possession – 21 of them contested – nine-clearance, seven-tackle, five-inside-50 and one-goal performance.

 

[Apex36]

Marsh seemed like a good lad, and he’d probably come back with a positive attitude ...

... but for us, hard to see where he fits in our backline.

We have a stable backline of:

Maynard
Langdon
Crisp
Howe

Apply backline list changes:

- Smith
- Oxley
- Murray (Assuming he’s gone)
+ Roughhead
+ Quaynor
+ Kelly
+ Keane
+ Tohill

Add backline players coming back from injury:

+ Scharenberg
+ Dunn
+ Moore

Add existing developing backline players:

+ Murphy
+ Madgen

Add serviceable backline veterans:

+ Goldsack
+ Mayne
+ Varcoe

With Beams going into the midfield, midfield players could move back:

+ Adams
+ Pendlebury (Yes, this is contentious)

I just can’t see how we could justify a place for Marsh amongst all of that.

Keane + Tohill are unknown quantities. They could be gone in 12 months for all we know. Madgen in a similar boat, although he at least has been tested at senior level.
Roughead is 28, and we don’t know if we can get him back to his best. Dunn and Goldsack on the wrong side of 30. Scharenberg with 3 ACL’s. As much as I rate him his future doesn’t seem all that bright. Kelly will take a year or two to develop at a minimum. Murphy still developing. Moore is injury prone. I’ll leave out the smalls given Marsh is 194cm.

Our key defensive stocks, short and long term really aren’t all that crash hot if you look at it objectively. Marsh is a player who can come in and immediately play a role to a good standard at senior level, is a leader onfield, and is young enough to regard as a long term player replacement for the likes of Dunn and Goldsack. I think there’s plenty of justification in taking him, especially if it’s only on a rookie contract.

 

[pablo disco bar]

I think we'll definitely have some plans for Murray if his B sample comes back positive and he is found guilty. It'll be interesting how that pans out and whether it is Marsh.

Rather marsh over Murray hope this happens