List Mgmt. 2018 Draft Watch - Depth Chart In OP

[Dr Tigris]

Dad didn't stay as long as could have yielded more info, but spoke a lot to Thursfield.

We are aiming for midfielders. Might trade into some 20s picks.

Last year we had a few players we wanted before Higgins but they were gone, but also wanted him so it was still a good result.

They are excited about one academy kid next year (Ethan something maybe?) and Maurice Jnr the year after.

Chol delisted due to terrible work ethic, but they've told him what to do to get another gig and he sounds like he is on track.

They wanted Stengle but weren't prepared to match Adelaide at 3 years. They are happier to keep Baker due to his exceptional work ethic.

They said Tom Lynch is there everyday and he is an absolute monster in the upper body.

They genuinely want to keep Towner but are going to 38 & 6 for the list, hence rookie offer only.

Not much about who we want at our picks but Dad may just have missed it.

Brandon Ellis to become a midfield run with tagger.

Markov got HEAPS of interest but we wanted to keep him.

Apparently Thursfield wasn't shy about who he didn't rate as far as kids coming up. No one we'd be into obviously, but I won't name the name I heard so not to possibly ruin a kid's confidence were he to read this.

We are internally filthy at Collingwood for being dodgy, Quaynor should be at Richmond but will get to Collingwood due to his mother being from Ghana, academy rule.

Brayden Rioli to Essendon for sure.

That's pretty much it as far as I can remember Dad telling me. He said it was great and super interesting.

EDIT: mods delete this post if you think it's a bit too internally revealing

Given the depth of quality contested mids this year we might well be trying to get a double shot at the good, but not awesome ones. Get one right and it helps our future depth hugely.

Love the focus on work ethic. Absolutely guys that work harder tend to end up better - Der. Keep Towner please

BEllis as a run with player - good thinking. Won't get outrun. Knows he's on his last chance so may well give it his all. And he will be damaging if he can get his hands on the ball. And we need that style of player to stop the elite mids that sometimes get on a tear with us.

And Collingwood are filthy - of course.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Sorry to quote myself but this aligns to what I was implying.

As the season went on and Higgo played midfielder more he really stepped up. He looks like a damn fine quality player. And although short is solid as. If Graham starts to get ahold of the ball then look out

 

[Grrr]

Kobe Brown is the standout from that group. He played for Vic Country in the U17's this year and showed flashes.

Have seen Kobe play for years. So much class in the Andy Krakouer mould. And like Krakouer he is quite small and a tad slow (although I haven't seen him this year much, he may have added size and speed). Played seniors at 15 and made it look so easy at times. Will be interesting to see if he comes on.

 

[Grrr]

Ely Smith (from highlights only) has really quick feet/change of direction, hence the Oliver comparison. Really like that in a mid. Paddy Dow last year has it also.

Bailey Smith who is rated way higher looks to me so average in comparison. Read an article on B.Smith and he is obsessed, already with the attitude of a senior player, like he has been on this path for years, hence everyone has known about him. Seems to me many judges confuse this with real AFL talent. I may be wrong, but I'd have Ely over Bailey, again from highlights only.

 

[Mr Magic]

Would prefer if we keep #17.
If it's West Coast's 2 picks (20 & 22) then i'd be ok with.A later pick back to them or next year's 2nd.
Melbourne 23 & 28.&
Suns 24 & 29 I wouldn't for 17.

I think what you are inferring has merit in the sense even among the slightly lower run players the quality and opportunity to get a better one drops over time as we fall back in the draft(how many stars come at 100?)and there must be validity in some cases why some players jump up and others fall back sometimes especially as more info comes through.

I think the fact we have a 2019 1st round which some anticipating would be a late 1st rounder helps us tremendously in terms of flexibility for this draft.

We have 5 minutes to trade a pick per Twoomey in the brief with Sheehan mock draft on the AFL website. Is that 5 minutes to trade each pick at that point in time or 5 minutes todo all our trading for picks at that interval?

The thing is when we get to 17, assuming we still have pick 17 and the point we get to the equivalent pick in the order we have, whether we are at real 20, 21 etc who knows, we will have a better idea what we can do in terms of the players still available and those that are not in terms of who we are chasing. If who we want are not there except real bona fide later options then sure we can trade 17 for 24 and 29 or even later picks. But if some are roundabout we could even trade our 2019 first for Brisbane pick 18 and 30 with a bit going back there way in futures or whatever and go from there. If we have 17 and 18 then we can do other things as well. A lot can happen contingent on that scenario in terms of flexibility with pick trading and options in the draft. For example supposedly Jordan Clark, if true , diagnosed with glandular fever, will he drop and how far? What do WA clubs want to do? How far will he fall. We might end up with a pick 29 or pick 30 and not have the players we want available. West Coast or Freo might say hell we want Jordan Clark at 29 if he is still there. West Coast might say we will not use 24 but we will trade it for 29 plus extra and use 29 for Clark that has slipped or Hill or another WA player and anyone else they might want or even to create another trade for draft picks even involving futures. We could trade that for a later pick again or trade back into the 2019 futures if it suited. The other thing is in the wash up, theoretically we could use a pick in the 60's( have 5 minutes) as an anchor to get a trade back into 2019 futures in terms of swaps(assume we trade our 2019 1st and later we want to trade back up higher in the 2019 draft with other clubs like West Coast or whoever that might want certain picks or even a 2019 second rounder). At one of our later picks even a pick 70 we might tee up with other clubs and try and get(using 70 as steak knives) trading later 2019 futures a second and a third(who knows) and try and get back into the 2019 first round at the back end of the 2018 draft.If we run out of time, try again with our next pick in the eighties or a later pick and find out which other clubs are looking to trade 2019 futures at the back end of the 2018 draft.

 

[Jurica Stockade]

Funny reading different opinions on different forums on here everyone wants Ely smith

On punt road end the main guys want Williams or stocker/Valente at our first

The main guy everyone asks questions too seems not to rate smith though I have no idea if he knows his shit or not

Has Rosey been delisted yet?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I think what you are inferring has merit in the sense even among the slightly lower run players the quality and opportunity to get a better one drops over time as we fall back in the draft(how many stars come at 100?)and there must be validity in some cases why some players jump up and others fall back sometimes especially as more info comes through.

I think the fact we have a 2019 1st round which some anticipating would be a late 1st rounder helps us tremendously in terms of flexibility for this draft.

We have 5 minutes to trade a pick per Twoomey in the brief with Sheehan mock draft on the AFL website. Is that 5 minutes to trade each pick at that point in time or 5 minutes todo all our trading for picks at that interval?

The thing is when we get to 17, assuming we still have pick 17 and the point we get to the equivalent pick in the order we have, whether we are at real 20, 21 etc who knows, we will have a better idea what we can do in terms of the players still available and those that are not in terms of who we are chasing. If who we want are not there except real bona fide later options then sure we can trade 17 for 24 and 29 or even later picks. But if some are roundabout we could even trade our 2019 first for Brisbane pick 18 and 30 with a bit going back there way in futures or whatever and go from there. If we have 17 and 18 then we can do other things as well. A lot can happen contingent on that scenario in terms of flexibility with pick trading and options in the draft. For example supposedly Jordan Clark, if true , diagnosed with glandular fever, will he drop and how far? What do WA clubs want to do? How far will he fall. We might end up with a pick 29 or pick 30 and not have the players we want available. West Coast or Freo might say hell we want Jordan Clark at 29 if he is still there. West Coast might say we will not use 24 but we will trade it for 29 plus extra and use 29 for Clark that has slipped or Hill or another WA player and anyone else they might want or even to create another trade for draft picks even involving futures. We could trade that for a later pick again or trade back into the 2019 futures if it suited. The other thing is in the wash up, theoretically we could use a pick in the 60's( have 5 minutes) as an anchor to get a trade back into 2019 futures in terms of swaps(assume we trade our 2019 1st and later we want to trade back up higher in the 2019 draft with other clubs like West Coast or whoever that might want certain picks or even a 2019 second rounder). At one of our later picks even a pick 70 we might tee up with other clubs and try and get(using 70 as steak knives) trading later 2019 futures a second and a third(who knows) and try and get back into the 2019 first round at the back end of the 2018 draft.If we run out of time, try again with our next pick in the eighties or a later pick and find out which other clubs are looking to trade 2019 futures at the back end of the 2018 draft.

 

[Bojangles17]

Curtis Taylor well prodigy will be happy since we seem to be into a Lennon clone

I seriously couldn’t see us going for a HFF , we need a couple of ball magnets coming through and maybe a goal kicking machine with our third pick

 

[Bojangles17]

From AFL Draft Central:

#27 Curtis Taylor (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)

The X-factor from the Cannons has had an up-and-down year, which is what is the question mark hanging over him, but no-one could dispute his best is as good as anyone’s in the draft. He struggled for consistency, but when he was “on” he was really on, and could turn a game with a massive quarter of multiple goals. He stood up to be an important player at times through the championships, and looms as one of those players where clubs will be eyeing off each other to see who grabs him first. Taylor has great upside that could result in a genius pick down the track if he drifts to the second round as expected.

Sounds like a Ben Lennon replacement.

He is a 186cm and 79kg medium sized forward/midfielder.

Perfect for our 3rd pick , he ll drift

 

[Premiers17]

For those in the know.

Is Stocker another Graham? Hard at it, wins the ball, tackles and uses it ok but lacks speed?

But much more quicker

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[Metapod]

Bailey Smith... looks to be beast midfielder and one who some phantom drafts have skipping outside top 10. If he doesn’t go top 10, would we be willing to trade pick 17 + next years first to GWS for 11 + next year 2nd or 3rd and pounce?

 

[Metapod]

Actually watching highlights and reading stats, Ely Smith is the one I like. How’s this quote from CD:

Smith was only selected in one game at the NAB AFL Under 18 Championships but left as the only player to win more disposals than Sam Walsh in a match. In that game he won 30 disposals, 18 contested possessions, nine clearances and laid five tackles.

 

[_RT_]

Just on O'Halloran for 2018 in the TAC he averaged
18.8 disposals
13 contested possessions
5.5 clearances
4.7 tackles

IMO it's a lot easier to teach a kid how to go out and find space to win more uncontested footy than trying to teach an uncontested player how to win more contested footy. Brandon Ellis is a perfect example of that. Has no trouble finding the footy when in space, but put him in situations where he is winning the ball in tight and he becomes a panic merchant.

For mine I've liked Valente since the champs, became an O'Halloran fan as the season started to wind down and whispers about a list clean out and he was projected as being a second round option, now that he has climbed into first round calculations I'm still wanting Valente first up, then O'Halloran then Stocker and finally Smith.

If we could do the 2 for 1 trade that gets us a couple of 20s picks and we could land 2 of them then we're going to be kissed on the pecker and will in the last 3 years have landed our future KPPs (Garthwaite Balta Miller) ruck(CCJ) and midfielders(Graham Higgins Naish and 1-2 of Valente O'Halloran Stocker Smith)

 

[Dr Tigris]

Just on O'Halloran for 2018 in the TAC he averaged
18.8 disposals
13 contested possessions
5.5 clearances
4.7 tackles

IMO it's a lot easier to teach a kid how to go out and find space to win more uncontested footy than trying to teach an uncontested player how to win more contested footy. Brandon Ellis is a perfect example of that. Has no trouble finding the footy when in space, but put him in situations where he is winning the ball in tight and he becomes a panic merchant.

For mine I've liked Valente since the champs, became an O'Halloran fan as the season started to wind down and whispers about a list clean out and he was projected as being a second round option, now that he has climbed into first round calculations I'm still wanting Valente first up, then O'Halloran then Stocker and finally Smith.

If we could do the 2 for 1 trade that gets us a couple of 20s picks and we could land 2 of them then we're going to be kissed on the pecker and will in the last 3 years have landed our future KPPs (Garthwaite Balta Miller) ruck(CCJ) and midfielders(Graham Higgins Naish and 1-2 of Valente O'Halloran Stocker Smith)

That's my dream. We do a solid rebuild whilst on top. And keep our future picks to continue building on a basis of fantastic mature players, a really solid group of younger guys, and then more kids. We win a premiership or two with the current senior group and restock with quality players as we go.

 

[Calcium Man]

Ely Smith (from highlights only) has really quick feet/change of direction, hence the Oliver comparison. Really like that in a mid. Paddy Dow last year has it also.

Bailey Smith who is rated way higher looks to me so average in comparison. Read an article on B.Smith and he is obsessed, already with the attitude of a senior player, like he has been on this path for years, hence everyone has known about him. Seems to me many judges confuse this with real AFL talent. I may be wrong, but I'd have Ely over Bailey, again from highlights only.

Attitude trumps talent imo... not saying Ely doesn’t have it or won’t have it. But it’s a big thing in so many sports with a draft where work ethic and attitude are 2 strong indicators of success.

Just on O'Halloran for 2018 in the TAC he averaged
18.8 disposals
13 contested possessions
5.5 clearances
4.7 tackles

IMO it's a lot easier to teach a kid how to go out and find space to win more uncontested footy than trying to teach an uncontested player how to win more contested footy. Brandon Ellis is a perfect example of that. Has no trouble finding the footy when in space, but put him in situations where he is winning the ball in tight and he becomes a panic merchant.

For mine I've liked Valente since the champs, became an O'Halloran fan as the season started to wind down and whispers about a list clean out and he was projected as being a second round option, now that he has climbed into first round calculations I'm still wanting Valente first up, then O'Halloran then Stocker and finally Smith.

If we could do the 2 for 1 trade that gets us a couple of 20s picks and we could land 2 of them then we're going to be kissed on the pecker and will in the last 3 years have landed our future KPPs (Garthwaite Balta Miller) ruck(CCJ) and midfielders(Graham Higgins Naish and 1-2 of Valente O'Halloran Stocker Smith)

love that contested ball number, along with his leadership credentials just screams Richmond.

 

[Grrr]

Attitude trumps talent imo... not saying Ely doesn’t have it or won’t have it. But it’s a big thing in so many sports with a draft where work ethic and attitude are 2 strong indicators of success.

love that contested ball number, along with his leadership credentials just screams Richmond.

Yes and no. At 18 attitude is a huge factor, and it gets you noticed. Of course it doesn't always transfer to the higher level unless you have something special about you. Bailey Smith doesn't look like he has that many 'attributes' that you need (for a top 10 pick). Quite a few other inside mids I've watched do have that something special, including Ely Smith. I wonder why he is rated so highly... cue somebody that knows what they are talking about (unlike me).

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Just on O'Halloran for 2018 in the TAC he averaged
18.8 disposals
13 contested possessions
5.5 clearances
4.7 tackles

IMO it's a lot easier to teach a kid how to go out and find space to win more uncontested footy than trying to teach an uncontested player how to win more contested footy. Brandon Ellis is a perfect example of that. Has no trouble finding the footy when in space, but put him in situations where he is winning the ball in tight and he becomes a panic merchant.

For mine I've liked Valente since the champs, became an O'Halloran fan as the season started to wind down and whispers about a list clean out and he was projected as being a second round option, now that he has climbed into first round calculations I'm still wanting Valente first up, then O'Halloran then Stocker and finally Smith.

If we could do the 2 for 1 trade that gets us a couple of 20s picks and we could land 2 of them then we're going to be kissed on the pecker and will in the last 3 years have landed our future KPPs (Garthwaite Balta Miller) ruck(CCJ) and midfielders(Graham Higgins Naish and 1-2 of Valente O'Halloran Stocker Smith)

I'd be happy with O'Halloran/Sticker or Smith.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Actually watching highlights and reading stats, Ely Smith is the one I like. How’s this quote from CD:

Smith was only selected in one game at the NAB AFL Under 18 Championships but left as the only player to win more disposals than Sam Walsh in a match. In that game he won 30 disposals, 18 contested possessions, nine clearances and laid five tackles.

And killed it at the combine, so really has ticked all boxes

 

[JR82]

I don't think there's any chance of RCD being available at our pick and the club probably know this - if he slid to us, I'm sure that could change our plans - but I wouldn't hold my breath.

As much as we're all convinced that we need young inside mids the club may not agree. This could be our plan over the next few drafts.

Caddy will most likely be playing more midfield with Lynch coming into the forward line, Caddy will still go forward obviously, but possibly less.

Higgins will play more TOG midfield too and I expect Dusty will also as he was obviously playing injured this year.

Don't think our midfield lacks as much depth as we think and a draftee wouldn't solve our alleged issues.

Add those 3 to Cotchin, Prestia, Titch, Lambert, Graham and we have 8 potential clearance players. That's not even considering if we take a mature age player like Mitch Grigg or Michael Gibbons.

St Kilda was very good at winning clearances and guess who is in charge of our clearances/stoppages in 2019? Adam Kingsley.

We'll be fine.

I just did a check on this, they were 5th for ctr clearances & 18th for overall clearances. We were 3rd for ctr clearances & 17th for overall clearances.

 

[JR82]

Funny reading different opinions on different forums on here everyone wants Ely smith

On punt road end the main guys want Williams or stocker/Valente at our first

The main guy everyone asks questions too seems not to rate smith though I have no idea if he knows his shit or not

That guy Bully? He knows his stuff, rated C.Daniel well before his Draft.

 

[JR82]

Dad didn't stay as long as could have yielded more info, but spoke a lot to Thursfield.

We are aiming for midfielders. Might trade into some 20s picks.

Last year we had a few players we wanted before Higgins but they were gone, but also wanted him so it was still a good result.

They are excited about one academy kid next year (Ethan something maybe?) and Maurice Jnr the year after.

Chol delisted due to terrible work ethic, but they've told him what to do to get another gig and he sounds like he is on track.

They wanted Stengle but weren't prepared to match Adelaide at 3 years. They are happier to keep Baker due to his exceptional work ethic.

They said Tom Lynch is there everyday and he is an absolute monster in the upper body.

They genuinely want to keep Towner but are going to 38 & 6 for the list, hence rookie offer only.

Not much about who we want at our picks but Dad may just have missed it.

Brandon Ellis to become a midfield run with tagger.

Markov got HEAPS of interest but we wanted to keep him.

Apparently Thursfield wasn't shy about who he didn't rate as far as kids coming up. No one we'd be into obviously, but I won't name the name I heard so not to possibly ruin a kid's confidence were he to read this.

We are internally filthy at Collingwood for being dodgy, Quaynor should be at Richmond but will get to Collingwood due to his mother being from Ghana, academy rule.

Brayden Rioli to Essendon for sure.

That's pretty much it as far as I can remember Dad telling me. He said it was great and super interesting.

EDIT: mods delete this post if you think it's a bit too internally revealing

Hope we not into Taylor (not a need) but may be after 1st round.

P.S How does 1 get an invite to such a night, sounds very informative.

 

[JR82]

Kid is rated higher than Stocker and Smith because he has a bigger impact on games with fewer touches.

There is no point a player getting it 30 times if he has no real impact on the game.

As they say quality over quantity

Tend to agree here, i recall some H&A games where our oppo mids got 40 thousand touches, ours got around 25 & we still got up.

 

[Roksman]

Hope we not into Taylor (not a need) but may be after 1st round.

P.S How does 1 get an invite to such a night, sounds very informative.

They can get an invite due to their relative chances of being drafted - but this by no way is a commitment that they will be drafted by a club.

For example, Richmond may have Curtis Taylor (just an example) as their 4th / 5th choice at pick #17. So in reality, his chances of getting picked are slim but the AFL need him there in the rare event that our 3 / 4 other choices were selected.

 

[Infamy]

I'm still wanting Valente first up, then O'Halloran then Stocker and finally Smith.

If we could do the 2 for 1 trade that gets us a couple of 20s picks and we could land 2 of them then we're going to be kissed on the pecker and will in the last 3 years have landed our future KPPs (Garthwaite Balta Miller) ruck(CCJ) and midfielders(Graham Higgins Naish and 1-2 of Valente O'Halloran Stocker Smith)

100% agree, that's pretty much the order I have my preferences too

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Hope we not into Taylor (not a need) but may be after 1st round.

P.S How does 1 get an invite to such a night, sounds very informative.

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