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2019 2nd Ashes Test - Lords 14-18 August 2019
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metoffice seemed pretty reliable during the world cup they have chance of rain all through the day, you get about 50 completely different forecasts in england it seems all wildly different.
Good thing we're starting early then..
His also coming off a 12 month ban. Not everyone can be like Smith.
Warner’s overseas form has not been great but instead of just potting him list some alternatives.
Bancroft who averages in the 20s?
Harris who failed in Aus and averages 30?
Finch who averages in the 20s? Joe Burns who also has a poor away record?
Renshaw yes I will admit I am a fan of him and still have hope for him as a long term prospect but hasn’t been able to hit it off the square since last county season.
Considering that Warner is a lot more secure at the top than Bancroft at the moment you would have to come up with two viable replacements.
Also despite not having a great record in England he made 418 runs at 46 with 5 50s in 2015 so his record isn’t actually as bad as everyone is desperate to make it out to be
Warner has only had 3 innings back from suspension. Australia will definitely give him the entire series, and then after that he's in Australian conditions. His spot is safe.
LukeParkerno1
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Do still have high hopes for Renshaw personally. No I’m not saying pick him now
I think the criticism for Warner is happening for a combination of reasons, not just one.
- Does not seem like the best bloke out there
- Has been all over the shop in England and Broad looks like he figured him out.
- Hasn't shown enough away from home.
- Steve Smith playing like a generational talent in the last test even though he was suspended as well therefore Warner needs to do the same. i.e. Smith is that good.
- May have lost his aggressiveness with the bat as he has to tone it down under Langer.
- Langer and Hayden were world class openers and Warner can't quite match them in general away from home (i.e. the golden generation was great)
- Does not seem like the best bloke out there
- Has been all over the shop in England and Broad looks like he figured him out.
- Hasn't shown enough away from home.
- Steve Smith playing like a generational talent in the last test even though he was suspended as well therefore Warner needs to do the same. i.e. Smith is that good.
- May have lost his aggressiveness with the bat as he has to tone it down under Langer.
- Langer and Hayden were world class openers and Warner can't quite match them in general away from home (i.e. the golden generation was great)
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I think doing this would be more likely to derail if not destroy a young batsmans career, e.g. Mark Lathwell/Haseeb Hameed/Ian Craig etc.
Historically Aus have often had 2 or 3 outstanding or at the least capable batsmen to call upon. The reality is at the minute we have zero. Forget Burns, Renshaw would be a walking wicket in these conditions and Harris I fear would be similar providing the Poms with slips catching practice...
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While we're spitballing potential ways to drop an opener, what do people think of promoting Khawaja to open, shifting Smith to 3 and bringing someone into the middle order? Don't think it'd be any worse than bringing in Burns/Harris, and opening could reduce the amount struggling to rotate the strike hurts Ussie, but might be too radical a change for mid-series, especially while we're doing well despite the openers.
you mite be looking at jane bunns forecast and the hills got in the way
Even though Renshaw is nowhere near selection right now I do have a soft spot for him. Him trying his damn hardest to survive on those Indian minefields where it was pretty hard to score won me over for a period of time. Should have been up 2-0 that series too if we weren't so silly in the final innings. And then he couldn't buy a run in the Sheffield shield once spring rolled around.
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At this stage if Harris scores 30 in the remaining tests we will be 50 runs ahead each test of what Warner is giving us
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Got my first taste of Ashes cricket at Lords and was a ripper experience as expected. Very dusty today. Originally went in or day 2 and 3 on the ballot. Pretty happy I only got tickets to the one day now.
Thought we bowled pretty well, without bowling great (Hazelwood aside who was fantastic). Rolling a team for under 260 in the first innings of any test is generally pretty good going, but we lost our way a bit during their two half century stands and feel we might have gifted them 50 or so runs. That's before taking into account dropping two sitters off Burns.
But then on other days Hazelwood, with a bit more luck getting the edge or beating the bat for lbw's, could have run through a batting lineup ala McGrath and his 8/38. 2/14 off 10 at lunch is a brilliant return and that still didn't do justice to how well he bowled I thought.
All in all a slight edge to us I feel but nothing significant or match defining at all.
Also I hope Pat Cummins has been facing up to some short stuff in the nets because he is going to cop it when he comes to the crease. No problems with a sustained period of short bowling like that - and a number of the English are not great with the short ball - but I feel like 1 or 2 fuller balls each over would have really put some doubt into the batsmen's minds.
Thought we bowled pretty well, without bowling great (Hazelwood aside who was fantastic). Rolling a team for under 260 in the first innings of any test is generally pretty good going, but we lost our way a bit during their two half century stands and feel we might have gifted them 50 or so runs. That's before taking into account dropping two sitters off Burns.
But then on other days Hazelwood, with a bit more luck getting the edge or beating the bat for lbw's, could have run through a batting lineup ala McGrath and his 8/38. 2/14 off 10 at lunch is a brilliant return and that still didn't do justice to how well he bowled I thought.
All in all a slight edge to us I feel but nothing significant or match defining at all.
Also I hope Pat Cummins has been facing up to some short stuff in the nets because he is going to cop it when he comes to the crease. No problems with a sustained period of short bowling like that - and a number of the English are not great with the short ball - but I feel like 1 or 2 fuller balls each over would have really put some doubt into the batsmen's minds.
It's the Australian cricket team. No-one should be given anything.
A young batsman should earn the chance to play at elite level by making runs in first class cricket.
Don’t think there’s going to be enough time in this match left for Australia to win
But there’s enough time for us to lose if we collapse
But there’s enough time for us to lose if we collapse
LukeParkerno1
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No we won’t because Harris won’t even score 30. I’ll stick with the bloke that has 21 test tons
Settle down big boy. Openers who average 48 in test cricket over a long period of time are worth their weight in gold. You don't drop them after a couple of failures.
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I would add to this suggestion by querying whether Warner would be better value in the middle order than opening in England.
Has any of the hyper aggressive openers worked in England in the last 30 years? Hayden hasn't, Warner hasn't, Sehwag hasn't. Maybe we shouldn't force it and hope it works this time.
2nd innings I would seriously consider:
1. Bancroft
2. Khawaja
3. Smith
4. Warner
Also with Warner the lack of team success in England hurts him.
In 2015 he made 418 runs at 46 with 5 50s behind only Smith Rogers and Root. If we win that series his performance is perceived differently, people look back now at him and he is one of the players who carry the blame for that unsuccessful campaign.
In reality he did his job, we lost that series because from 4-7 yielded 604 runs at 19.5. It wasn’t Warner who let the side down.
In 2015 he made 418 runs at 46 with 5 50s behind only Smith Rogers and Root. If we win that series his performance is perceived differently, people look back now at him and he is one of the players who carry the blame for that unsuccessful campaign.
In reality he did his job, we lost that series because from 4-7 yielded 604 runs at 19.5. It wasn’t Warner who let the side down.
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So what time is that meant to kick off tonight? Can’t find it anywhere.... I would assume in 40 minutes time.
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We have about as many middle order bats knocking down the door as we do openers. We're playing Wade as a specialist batsman, ffs (not a knock on Wade, he's earnt his spot, but in generations past, he wouldn't have stood a chance).
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