List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I’m just not as convinced. Even with time and space our inside mids have just shown a tendency to see ball, kick ball. They don’t show an ounce of method or strategy at all with ball in hand, and giving them a ruck who will only give them more opportunities to hack kick and dish out hospital handpasses just won’t help much. Our engine-room needs a total re-wiring and nobody seems to want to say it because it involves two beloved club champions.

No one says it because it's bullshit. You're calling midfielders in a side that stayed competitive all year without a tap ruckman "headless chooks". Have you any idea just how stupid that is?

How did we finish with a percentage in the high 90s?

Franklin was out most of the year. Reid is no good (by your standard). Hayward can't kick. Florent is a hack. Kennedy, Parker, and Hewett are headless chooks. Lloyd wastes it. Mills and Heeney are being played out of position.

FMD! I guess the umpires kept us competitive!!

 

[caesar88]

No one says it because it's bulls**t. You're calling midfielders in a side that stayed competitive all year without a tap ruckman "headless chooks". Have you any idea just how stupid that is?

How did we finish with a percentage in the high 90s?

Franklin was out most of the year. Reid is no good (by your standard). Hayward can't kick. Florent is a hack. Kennedy, Parker, and Hewett are headless chooks. Lloyd wastes it. Mills and Heeney are being played out of position.

FMD! I guess the umpires kept us competitive!!

We finished with a percentage in the high 90s on the back of a strong culture at our club and the performances of Sir Dane, Aliir and Mills. Without them, we finish 18th on the ladder even with our culture. That’s how poor our midfield was this year, though the signs were there since 2017.

As for your other smart points, half of them I’ve never even said anyway so they’re lost on me.

 

[Tedeski]

I can't see any potential Martin trade involving Pick #8.

I am hearing we are after an established player in any trade for Paps with Weitering again on the cards after we enquired heavily about him last year.
Gold Coast want 8. We won't get 8.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

I am hearing we are after an established player in any trade for Paps with Weitering again on the cards after we enquired heavily about him last year.
Gold Coast want 8. We won't get 8.

I think there is zero chance the Gold Coast get Pick #8 for Jack Martin as a straight swap.

He has done nothing to warrant that pick aside from being a talented 17 year old once upon a time.

He will be 25 before next season and potential can only be valued at so much.

If they were bold enough to ask for Pick #8, I think it would just be posturing (i.e. the seller starting high in a negotiation).

 

[Tedeski]

Oh Lord have a listen to Sam MacLure on Carlton Radio Show SEN, discussing trades using the word "WE" when discussing Carlton bringing in Papley.
"WE"!
Pi *s off D H . .d!

 

[S120]

Punts

Future up in the air as star Bomber considers options - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-11...-as-star-bomber-joe-daniher-considers-options

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

We finished with a percentage in the high 90s on the back of a strong culture at our club and the performances of Sir Dane, Aliir and Mills. Without them, we finish 18th on the ladder even with our culture. That’s how poor our midfield was this year, though the signs were there since 2017.

As for your other smart points, half of them I’ve never even said anyway so they’re lost on me.

Mate I'm down with criticism. I really am.

But the way you word it it's as though you've played 300 games and have 3 Brownlows, yet the substance says you've never played a game. And you don't have to have played to have an opinion. My criticism is of the disrespectful way you deliver it. And the pedestal you place yourself on when you do.

Play a few games in the midfield and then tell me a ruckman isn't important. Understand the difference between chasing and tackling to win the ball rather than having it tapped into your lap and what that does to fatigue. It's as though, when you write, there isn't an opposition side out there doing their utmost to prevent our blokes doing what it is you say you want them to do. Do you not see them? You should look, because as much as we hate them, they're actually pretty good. It's not as simple as just "sharking the opposition taps". And even if you do (and Kennedy managed it many times) the opposition ruckman has tapped it to a place where the opposition mids KNOW it is going to go, so they're going to be right there when Kennedy sharks it! Are you blind to that?

Do you know where we sat this year for forward efficiency? 6th. That's right. 6th. With a bunch of midfield headless chooks and a key forward who you'd happily trade. And that's without Buddy pinging them from 50 out on the boundary. How in the world were we so high up in this stat if our mids are butchers and Reid is a hack? It's not culture. And it's not Rampe, Aliir, and Mills. It's partly Dawson and Blakey I'd say. And Heeney. But someone has to get it to them. And I tell you they'll be getting it to them more often if Naismith is palming it to our mids.

 

[robbieando]

Mate I'm down with criticism. I really am.

But the way you word it it's as though you've played 300 games and have 3 Brownlows, yet the substance says you've never played a game. And you don't have to have played to have an opinion. My criticism is of the disrespectful way you deliver it. And the pedestal you place yourself on when you do.

Play a few games in the midfield and then tell me a ruckman isn't important. Understand the difference between chasing and tackling to win the ball rather than having it tapped into your lap and what that does to fatigue. It's as though, when you write, there isn't an opposition side out there doing their utmost to prevent our blokes doing what it is you say you want them to do. Do you not see them? You should look, because as much as we hate them, they're actually pretty good. It's not as simple as just "sharking the opposition taps". And even if you do (and Kennedy managed it many times) the opposition ruckman has tapped it to a place where the opposition mids KNOW it is going to go, so they're going to be right there when Kennedy sharks it! Are you blind to that?

Do you know where we sat this year for forward efficiency? 6th. That's right. 6th. With a bunch of midfield headless chooks and a key forward who you'd happily trade. And that's without Buddy pinging them from 50 out on the boundary. How in the world were we so high up in this stat if our mids are butchers and Reid is a hack? It's not culture. And it's not Rampe, Aliir, and Mills. It's partly Dawson and Blakey I'd say. And Heeney. But someone has to get it to them. And I tell you they'll be getting it to them more often if Naismith is palming it to our mids.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

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I know. I shouldn't let it get to me but it does. Our mids had no easy ball all year and still managed to sit in the top half for forward efficiency, which directly correlates to the quality of forward entries, and some muppet gets online and calls them headless chooks. Jesus, if Hayward hadn't had the yips we'd have been top!!

 

[DST]

I know. I shouldn't let it get to me but it does. Our mids had no easy ball all year and still managed to sit in the top half for forward efficiency, which directly correlates to the quality of forward entries, and some muppet gets online and calls them headless chooks. Jesus, if Hayward hadn't had the yips we'd have been top!!

Despite what a lot of people on here think, the difference between us finishing 15th and the bottom half of the eight is minimal.

Have a good year with injury (especially Buddy and Naismith) and get natural improvement out of our group of youngsters and we turn 4 of those close loses to wins next year.

We don’t have a lot of depth or experience so it will be a fine line, but the list is capable of doing it.




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[BruceFromBalnarring]

For what it's worth, we ranked second for defensive efficiency, behind Geelong. Which supports the point that Rampe, Mills and Aliir were good but also supports the point that our mids were very good at applying pressure.

We were ahead of Richmond in both rankings.

 

[robbieando]

I know. I shouldn't let it get to me but it does. Our mids had no easy ball all year and still managed to sit in the top half for forward efficiency, which directly correlates to the quality of forward entries, and some muppet gets online and calls them headless chooks. Jesus, if Hayward hadn't had the yips we'd have been top!!

Indeed. The effort from our midfield was top notch for what they had to work with in the back half of the year without a ruckman and the injuries in the middle of the season to the likes of Kennedy and Jones.

 

[mikey_san]

Off topic, but bollocks. Vote 1 Heeney.

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[Tedeski]

Punts

Future up in the air as star Bomber considers options - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-11...-as-star-bomber-joe-daniher-considers-options

It's happening.

 

[6yearsold]

Essendon can have Pick 8 if we get that as PART of the papley trade (if that happens). If not we can have him for nothing next year.

 

[caesar88]

Mate I'm down with criticism. I really am.

But the way you word it it's as though you've played 300 games and have 3 Brownlows, yet the substance says you've never played a game. And you don't have to have played to have an opinion. My criticism is of the disrespectful way you deliver it. And the pedestal you place yourself on when you do.

Play a few games in the midfield and then tell me a ruckman isn't important. Understand the difference between chasing and tackling to win the ball rather than having it tapped into your lap and what that does to fatigue. It's as though, when you write, there isn't an opposition side out there doing their utmost to prevent our blokes doing what it is you say you want them to do. Do you not see them? You should look, because as much as we hate them, they're actually pretty good. It's not as simple as just "sharking the opposition taps". And even if you do (and Kennedy managed it many times) the opposition ruckman has tapped it to a place where the opposition mids KNOW it is going to go, so they're going to be right there when Kennedy sharks it! Are you blind to that?

Do you know where we sat this year for forward efficiency? 6th. That's right. 6th. With a bunch of midfield headless chooks and a key forward who you'd happily trade. And that's without Buddy pinging them from 50 out on the boundary. How in the world were we so high up in this stat if our mids are butchers and Reid is a hack? It's not culture. And it's not Rampe, Aliir, and Mills. It's partly Dawson and Blakey I'd say. And Heeney. But someone has to get it to them. And I tell you they'll be getting it to them more often if Naismith is palming it to our mids.

That’s a nice assumption you’ve made there.

You think I’m not aware of the opposition? It’s the reason I want Florent in there who is a lot better at evading opponents than the current trio. It’s the reason I want Rowbottom in there who seems acute at understanding how to use time and space when you have it.

I’m rather enamoured with Parker and Kennedy as a Swans fan since before either of them started, but frankly I’ve had with them doing things that I PERCEIVE (arrest me) to be dumb as rocks. Refusing the simple handball to the team mate on the outside in space and instead opting to charge through the pack instead. It only SEEMS to lead to one of three outcomes:

1. The pack (aka the opposition you think I’m so unaware of) stopping Parker/JPK in their tracks and forcing a hack kick under pressure.

2. The pack (aka the opposition you think I’m so unaware of) stopping Parker/JPK in their tracks and forcing a hospital handpass under pressure, or in short, making it somebody else’s problem.

3. The pack (aka the opposition you think I’m so unaware of) stopping Parker/JPK in their tracks and flat out not letting a disposal out at all, which results in a HTB (where we lose possession) or another ball-up, where we’re so fatigued as you put it, and then have to do it all again.

As I said, none of that seems smart to me. When I look back at this season, the single image that stands out in my mind is the image of a Swans player getting themselves into a really good position, worked themselves into space, waving their arms and calling for possession, and Parker and JPK (and Hewett second half of the year) still deciding the better option was to try and take the opposition on themselves.

So don’t for a second think I don’t acknowledge the opposition. I see them very clearly and see the players who can work around the opposition and who cannot, those who play smarter to the team’s benefit, and those who play to the opponent’s benefit. The ‘opposition’ is the whole basis of my argument, an argument you may not agree with, but one that’s nevertheless caused you to bash my character over.

 

[mikey_san]

It's happening.

Seems that way. Gee his 2017 highlight reel is good. Just have to hope he gets back to it and we don't have to give up too much. Given they are known to be dicks at the trade table I'll be interested to see what happens.
Maybe Reid goes the other way? Too many forwards on good money without something else going on? Sinkers, Reid, Buddy, Daniher (and McCartin due an upgrade at the end of next?) Or perhaps this just locks in McCartin as our KPD for the next few years?

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Carlton fans also eagily awaiting Daniher's decision

 

[Parky79]

Carlton fans also eagily awaiting Daniher's decision

This is true - we won't trade Papley without JD coming in.

 

[6yearsold]

Meanwhile Essendon supporters require two first rounders which I can see us being dumb enough to do.

 

[TheMase]

Essendon can have Pick 8 if we get that as PART of the papley trade (if that happens). If not we can have him for nothing next year.

‘Free’ is a loose term. Might cost us more in salary cap if we have to outbid Essendon (so they don’t match) to get him without a trade next year.

 

[Tedeski]

Mate I'm down with criticism. I really am.

But the way you word it it's as though you've played 300 games and have 3 Brownlows, yet the substance says you've never played a game. And you don't have to have played to have an opinion. My criticism is of the disrespectful way you deliver it. And the pedestal you place yourself on when you do.

Play a few games in the midfield and then tell me a ruckman isn't important. Understand the difference between chasing and tackling to win the ball rather than having it tapped into your lap and what that does to fatigue. It's as though, when you write, there isn't an opposition side out there doing their utmost to prevent our blokes doing what it is you say you want them to do. Do you not see them? You should look, because as much as we hate them, they're actually pretty good. It's not as simple as just "sharking the opposition taps". And even if you do (and Kennedy managed it many times) the opposition ruckman has tapped it to a place where the opposition mids KNOW it is going to go, so they're going to be right there when Kennedy sharks it! Are you blind to that?

Do you know where we sat this year for forward efficiency? 6th. That's right. 6th. With a bunch of midfield headless chooks and a key forward who you'd happily trade. And that's without Buddy pinging them from 50 out on the boundary. How in the world were we so high up in this stat if our mids are butchers and Reid is a hack? It's not culture. And it's not Rampe, Aliir, and Mills. It's partly Dawson and Blakey I'd say. And Heeney. But someone has to get it to them. And I tell you they'll be getting it to them more often if Naismith is palming it to our mids.

A champion post Bruce!

 

[DST]

Seems that way. Gee his 2017 highlight reel is good. Just have to hope he gets back to it and we don't have to give up too much. Given they are known to be dicks at the trade table I'll be interested to see what happens.
Maybe Reid goes the other way? Too many forwards on good money without something else going on? Sinkers, Reid, Buddy, Daniher (and McCartin due an upgrade at the end of next?) Or perhaps this just locks in McCartin as our KPD for the next few years?

As it stands I think we would like to play McCartin as a key defender and Blakey’s natural position will be wing which gives him the space to be creative and a real threat drifting forward.

Daniher and Buddy as the two key forward posts and two ruckman alternating from the bench or pinch hitting forward.


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[6yearsold]

‘Free’ is a loose term. Might cost us more in salary cap if we have to outbid Essendon (so they don’t match) to get him without a trade next year.

I don't think a club has ever 'matched' in the history of free agency.

I just know we are going to pay overs and am already disappointed. I don't even think we need a Daniher type at present.

 

[Opts]

It's really starting to look more and more likely that Daniher will be coming to us. "STAR Essendon forward Joe Daniher is taking time away from the club to consider his future......................" I just hope we don't give up too much for him. A first round pick is too much for someone with his history.

Zach's stunning revelation: Is Joe on the go?

Joe Daniher is taking time away from the club to consider his future as speculation mounts about where he will play next year

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