List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[Mowman]

Player G isn't better than player M. Player G is 32 years of age. Player M is 23 with huge improvement where as player G has very much most likely reached his best and is on the way down. We need a ruckman next year who can replace player M if injured. We don't need 2 ruckmen in the one side. We have marking forwards in player B and player M and another that will certainly be played baring injury in player K. There is no place in the side for player G. And if he is as good as you think player G isn't coming to us to play seconds and only a moron would want player M as back up when he is probably the most promising big man in the game.

The best player as back up is either a younger kid with improvement or an older guy who can pinch hit when needed. It is never an old first ruck. Anyway id be sure North see his value and keep him. Draper and an older ruck should be our options.

I will back the club surely they know what is best on this

 

[Yawkey way]

That's the thing though. If the club think we are years off it they may trade away the likes of Billings and Gresh and then just get great picks in the draft and pay 50%. They would be completely un competitive which the AFL don't want but it could be the best way they think to build. Surely we as supporters don't want that so they have this 95% rule as well as the 105% rule. Id be happy with 90% and 110%. Certainly don't want no minimum rule. Could be a race to the bottom.

That’s possible plugger maybe a relaxing of the system would give both flexibility and a watchable product.

 

[plugger66]

I will back the club surely they know what is best on this

The club you find many faults with? I will back them as well because they couldn't be that stupid.

 

[plugger66]

That’s possible plugger maybe a relaxing of the system would give both flexibility and a watchable product.

That's why I said 90% and 110%. There has to be a minimum or its a race to the bottom. That will make the product unwatchable.

 

[Mowman]

The club you find many faults with? I will back them as well because they couldn't be that stupid.

So if we get Goldy the club is stupid ?
So you don't think the club has many faults ?
I think I'm fair & reasonable when talking about the club

 

[Savage Kent]

Sorry you've lost me completely here.

Are you saying we shouldn't sign up a particular player (lets call him player G) because he might be better in his position than someone already on our list (lets call him Player M) - I've got to say its amazing how often this piece of logic is floated!!!

I thought the whole purpose of drafting and trading is to select players who are better than our existing players and therefore make the team better.

If Player G turns out to be better than Player M is a position X then Player G gets picked. Its then up to Player M to either prove he's better player in that position or can hold down another position. Its called competition and its healthy!!!!

Its an absolute no brainer - we need immediate ruck support next year - if we can convince Player G to sign by front loading the s*** out of contract then we would be stupid not to do it.

Then its over to Player G and Player M to sort it out among themselves for position X.

I believe that there should always be healthy competition for spots. My point is that we have an emerging ruckman who has shown the scope to become one of the top ruckmen in the league and the club should do everything it can to maximise his development for the benefit of the team. I feel that bringing in someone like Goldstein may hamper his development as Roma's strengths lie in being an extra big bodied mid and we know currently our inside midfield brigade is an area weakness. Goldstein means much less midfield minutes for Roma, which I strongly believe is detrimental to the team.

My suggestion was to look at one of many rucks who are on Port's list who may struggle to get a look in and target one who could be on our list for the long term rather than a very short term pick up.

Out of curiosity, if we did pick up Goldstein what setup would you like to see? How would you accomodate he and Roma in the same team and balance team selection?

 

[Gosaints12]

Agreed Brisbane cant even support more than one NRL side and there Gold Coast side struggled for years also.

GCS are an AFL disaster and a complete waste of resources and talent. Forfeit their licence and give Tassie a go!

What about the players that are under contract at the Suns.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Player G isn't better than player M. Player G is 32 years of age. Player M is 23 with huge improvement where as player G has very much most likely reached his best and is on the way down. We need a ruckman next year who can replace player M if injured. We don't need 2 ruckmen in the one side. We have marking forwards in player B and player M and another that will certainly be played baring injury in player K. There is no place in the side for player G. And if he is as good as you think player G isn't coming to us to play seconds and only a moron would want player M as back up when he is probably the most promising big man in the game.

The best player as back up is either a younger kid with improvement or an older guy who can pinch hit when needed. It is never an old first ruck. Anyway id be sure North see his value and keep him. Draper and an older ruck should be our options.

You’re much better alphabetically than you are mathematically!

 

[plugger66]

So if we get Goldy the club is stupid ?
So you don't think the club has many faults ?
I think I'm fair & reasonable when talking about the club

Yes I think the club has made the wrong decision if they get Goldy as I did when we extended Richo. Do I care for more than a few days. No its happened it cant change. I think the club make as many wrong decisions as have a lot of clubs. We obviously know ours better. i also think our club is hamstrung more than just about any club because we are 12 million in debt. I cant prove it but I would suggest we were told to play in China. A club with little debt would just say no. No surprise that the 2 clubs who have played there get just about the most off the AFL

 

[plugger66]

What about the players that are under contract at the Suns.

Gold Coast aren't going anywhere in a hurry. Tassie wont have a side in a hurry.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Geez Whitfield has got to be the barometer of GWS, one of the most skilled players in the comp. Can we just throw our whole salary cap at him? Him and Billings would be pretty much our only 2 skilled players.

 

[plugger66]

You’re much better alphabetically than you are mathematically!

At school I got 95% right is maths and only 12% wrong. My alphabet is much better . 99% correct and only 7% incorrect.

 

[plugger66]

Geez Whitfield has got to be the barometer of GWS, one of the most skilled players in the comp. Can we just throw our whole salary cap at him? Him and Billings would be pretty much our only 2 skilled players.

Certainly staying at least another year.

 

[plugger66]

Geez Whitfield has got to be the barometer of GWS, one of the most skilled players in the comp. Can we just throw our whole salary cap at him? Him and Billings would be pretty much our only 2 skilled players.

Maybe we should go a bit lower at GWS and go against the rule and pay the perryman. He might get us to the other side.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Maybe we should go a bit lower at GWS and go against the rule and pay the perryman. He might get us to the other side.

That is god awful

 

[plugger66]

That is god awful

I liked it but im easily pleased.

 

[StCicatriz]

Yeah I don’t buy that I’m sorry but I know a thing or two about how they come up with those figures.

Let’s just say Auskick is proving to be the biggest boon to the AFL in god knows how long. I wonder what the figures are when you break it down by age and registered players by team?.

AFL participation in Queensland reaches record high - AFL Queensland

The popularity of AFL in Queensland continues to grow with AFL Queensland today announcing 2018 participation grew by 5.2%. Overall all competitions and programs grew to 265,760 participants. Community Club participation continued to show healthy growth, with participation in club footy growing...

www.aflq.com.au

 

[Mowman]

B. Ellis should/are we looking at him, what would he add
I have never been a fan

 

[Parkers tatts]

If Ben wants to come, Ben will come.

Any intervention is restraint of trade.

And BTW, Ben wants to come...

Give them 3 or 4 ready made players newnes types for king

 

[Impatient Saint]

What about the players that are under contract at the Suns.

Go into an open draft.

 

[saintsrfreak]

B. Ellis should/are we looking at him, what would he add
I have never been a fan

Shai Bolton 18 touches and a goal to half time, get him instead

 

[Verdun]

Gold Coast aren't going anywhere in a hurry. Tassie wont have a side in a hurry.

Yes they will ......in the NBL

 

[pebblesofsand]

I believe that there should always be healthy competition for spots. My point is that we have an emerging ruckman who has shown the scope to become one of the top ruckmen in the league and the club should do everything it can to maximise his development for the benefit of the team. I feel that bringing in someone like Goldstein may hamper his development as Roma's strengths lie in being an extra big bodied mid and we know currently our inside midfield brigade is an area weakness. Goldstein means much less midfield minutes for Roma, which I strongly believe is detrimental to the team.

My suggestion was to look at one of many rucks who are on Port's list who may struggle to get a look in and target one who could be on our list for the long term rather than a very short term pick up.

Out of curiosity, if we did pick up Goldstein what setup would you like to see? How would you accomodate he and Roma in the same team and balance team selection?

Its very easy - you don't make assumptions and you aim to develop a list that gives you viable options.

Then its absolutely straight forward - the best performing ruckman plays ruck, and then the best performing talls play as tall forwards. Its not rocket science.

Currently ruckwise we have Marshall ........................................... then daylight .................................................................. then Rowe ................................... and then more daylight ............................................. then nothing.

Doesn't it worry you at all that there is no viable ruck option other than Marshall - can look for a long term option but we seriously need to recruit a ruckman who can play next year - simple as that.

Recruit Goldstein and what does that mean for possible options next year allowing for injury and loss of form - add Tomlinson to that and the mix becomes almost endless.

Marshall ruck, Bruce Membrey King forward

Goldstein ruck, Bruce Membrey Marshall forward

Goldstein ruck, Bruce Marshall Acres

Marshall Ruck, King Membrey Carlisle

and on and on and on!!!

PS Do you think we should offer Brown a new contract or should we let him go and assume those players who haven't gone past him yet will magically improve next year?

 

[Yawkey way]

AFL participation in Queensland reaches record high - AFL Queensland

The popularity of AFL in Queensland continues to grow with AFL Queensland today announcing 2018 participation grew by 5.2%. Overall all competitions and programs grew to 265,760 participants. Community Club participation continued to show healthy growth, with participation in club footy growing...

www.aflq.com.au

Interesting breakdown you can see how getting into schools, Auskick etc distort the numbers but it’s still a good effort by the AFL.

 

[StCicatriz]

Interesting breakdown you can see how getting into schools, Auskick etc distort the numbers but it’s still a good effort by the AFL.

Yeah I think the big boost has been women's football. I think the issue we have at gold coast and brisbane is the same one a league clubs have. Converting participants into viewers and members.