Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[GreyCrow]

I wouldn't have thought there is a debate - unless there's another tall forward of high potential and SA born we can likely get our hands on this or next year, I hope we grab Tilly and then best available mid. There's usually a mid or two that excites every year.

I meant Thilthorpe and a high quality mid - what strategy can they come up with to get both

 

[Mismatched]

Agreed. Only way I would spend a top 3 pick on a KPF is if it was FA compo and we had already spent a pick on an elite mid prospect.

Otherwise it's like you're rebuilding a car, gaping hole in the engine bay, you have a 10k cheque to spend and you spend it on a wheel instead of the engine.

And I hear the 'next year's a super draft' chatter but... a bird in the hand...

No one knows what happens next year. Maybe we end up with pick 4 then trade it down to pick 6 and miss the elite talent like last super draft.

Best result at present for us is to finish last/second last and Brad to leave and gain us Band 1 compo. I think "bird in the hand" is very pertinent, the grass isn't always greener, we can't keep moving picks into the future, we've got to hit the draft hard this year.

If next year's draft is good, even if its not, we can always look to trade our 2022 1st rounder into the 2021 1st round. We simply can't keep stuffing around with almost drafts.

Given where we're at, I think we should be gunning to get 4-5 picks in before 20.

Give us:
Pick 1 - Natural Pick
Pick 2 - Crouch compo, if he gets $750+ and wins our B&F this year its a reasonable request.
GWS 1st
Pick 10-15 - Trade either M.Crouch or Laird.

From there we have ours and WB 2nd which I'd be using to potentially bring in 2x ready made mids to immediately support the loss of Brad +/- Matt Crouch.This is where I think we should be targeting clubs like GWS and WB who have midfields flushed with first round talent, struggling for midfield opportunity, that may be keen for opportunity elsewhere (Hately, Toby McLean, Caldwell, O'Halloran, I'm sure there's others) and perhaps this is where a SPP or Graham is of value as a low cost, big bodied inside mid to hold the fort whilst we bring in 1st round talent.

We might need to arrange a few 3rds for points from there to match bids for Edwards, Newchurch, Borlase if we indeed want them.

 

[GrommoT]

I meant Thilthorpe and a high quality mid - what strategy can they come up with to get both

Oh I agree we need Tilly and another high quality mid - just that we should grab Tilly if we're in position to - there's only one SA tall we can get this our next year. We likely will have another prime pick next year (if not this year) to also get a high quality mid.

 

[Mutineer]

Newchurch copped a hit early in the quarter, haven't seen him out there since? If he's out there he's been invisible. Redlegs on top this quarter, under ager Cooper Murley impressive. Murphy impressive for the Roosters

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Im just watching Sturt/WWT reserves. Is Borlase playing.

 

[Mutineer]

Think Newchurch might have got hurt because wasn't sighted after the hit?

 

[1990crow]

Think Newchurch might have got hurt because wasn't sighted after the hit?

He was off for most of second quarter. Came back on late.

Wouldn't have gotten involved anyway ball was camped up Redlegs half anyway. Plus North's midfield is terrible at moving the ball so it's going to be a difficult year for Tariek if he plays deep forward all year.

 

[mattymac]

Wouldn't have gotten involved anyway ball was camped up Redlegs half anyway. Plus North's midfield is terrible at moving the ball so it's going to be a difficult year for Tariek if he plays deep forward all year.

Good practice for when he arrives at the crows

 

[Mego Red]

Nah, Josh Worrell is a genuine Swingman, just as effective forward, I could even see him playing an Isaac Smith type role if we went down that path.

Played centre half back mainly for the Sandringham Dragons but at the Championship against his peers he was a standout playing mainly up forward, great athleticism, sound decision maker, excellent above his head and decent disposal......endurance and consistency across 4 quarters areas of improvement.
I was honestly surprised he wasn't taken a fair bit earlier in the draft....my biggest concern will be keeping him over time.

Yeah, he described himself as a third tall defender in some of his interviews, but he has more value if he can be more than that.

 

[Mutineer]

He was off for most of second quarter. Came back on late.

Wouldn't have gotten involved anyway ball was camped up Redlegs half anyway. Plus North's midfield is terrible at moving the ball so it's going to be a difficult year for Tariek if he plays deep forward all year.

People need to temper their expectations with this kid, the build up people are giving him off a 5 minute highlight reel are ridiculous.

 

[1990crow]

People need to temper their expectations with this kid, the build up people are giving him off a 5 minute highlight reel are ridiculous.

He's dangerous. But he needs to be around the ball more.

 

[Comeonden]

If crows don't win a game do you think we would ask for a priority pick?

 

[hey shorty]

If crows don't win a game do you think we would ask for a priority pick?

Might ask, won't get.

After another year or 2 of trash maybe.

 

[Murray2503]

If crows don't win a game do you think we would ask for a priority pick?

No. Club just needs a clean out from Chapman down. With 2 years of cleaning out players not up to it and great trading and drafting we will be fine. Club must be very aggressive this year especially in moving out players with currency and retiring/delisting others. We must nail our picks. They are crucial.

 

[Crow_68]

After the Keath trade, we should absolutely bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at 1.

Bulldogs would need 2,400 points to match, currently they would have to use all of their 2020 picks and go into a deficit in 2021 (approx 300 points at this stage).




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[Crow till I die]

After the Keath trade, we should absolutely bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at 1.

Bulldogs would need 2,400 points to match, currently they would have to use all of their 2020 picks and go into a deficit in 2021 (approx 300 points at this stage).




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Yep..they screwed us over keath by not entertaining any deal for their 1st rounder even though that for keath + our 2nd which they could have passed to st kilda for bruce made sense. Make them hurt (assuming they have not already stitched him up to ask for a trade in 2 years time to the dogs)

 

[Grenville]

If crows don't win a game do you think we would ask for a priority pick?

Most realistic chance at a "priority pick" is a forward-looking favourable decision from the AFL on Crouch compensation if he goes.

 

[morris086]

Yep..they screwed us over keath by not entertaining any deal for their 1st rounder even though that for keath + our 2nd which they could have passed to st kilda for bruce made sense. Make them hurt (assuming they have not already stitched him up to ask for a trade in 2 years time to the dogs)

I'm all for making the bulldogs pay full price Ugle-Hanan, but pick 13 was never even asked about according to Reid: “We never asked for pick 13, we’ve got some picks you can actually slide, we never actually asked for pick 13.”

Crows list manager defends trade strategy

Adelaide saw a raft of senior players depart the club over the Trade Period, and list manager Justin Reid defended their trade strategy.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Sack Chapman]

I'm all for making the bulldogs pay full price Ugle-Hanan, but pick 13 was never even asked about according to Reid: “We never asked for pick 13, we’ve got some picks you can actually slide, we never actually asked for pick 13.”

Crows list manager defends trade strategy

Adelaide saw a raft of senior players depart the club over the Trade Period, and list manager Justin Reid defended their trade strategy.

www.sen.com.au

Reid is a hack.

 

[Bearded Clam]

After the Keath trade, we should absolutely bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at 1.

Bulldogs would need 2,400 points to match, currently they would have to use all of their 2020 picks and go into a deficit in 2021 (approx 300 points at this stage).




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If we have pick one and J U-H is still the best player in the draft come draft night then we have to bid on him.. no question.

the Bulldogs cant be given a massive free hit like that.. and if the shoe was on the other foot I’d expect them to do the same to us.

they should just be happy that they will be getting the pick 1 player for pick 12 (or wherever they end up on the ladder come years end)..

and if this does occur and it costs them all their draft picks this year aswell as going into deficit next year then thats their problem not ours.. **** em.

And they wont have picks left to bid on Newchurch, Edwards or Borlase to return the favour!..

seriously... the tight arses didnt want to pay up for Keith..

 

[Mutineer]

Reid is a hack.

Bullshit!!

He's done reasonably well considered the hand he was dealt, Reid is the least of our problems currently.

 

[Thetrader15]

Reid is a hack.

I counter your argument with:

1. McGovern -> pick 13 + McAdam
2. Pick 4 -> 6 + GWS 2020/1
3. Cameron -> Fogarty
4. Lever, 35 -> 10 + Melb 2019/1

OK, show me the Gibbs deal, but if we didn't Burton ourselves, it would have been quite reasonable and was considered the missing pieces after a GF loss. It would have been about pick 10, 16 for Gibbs + 20

Keath was never worth a first, a second was the right mark.

CEY -> Lachlan Gollant (decent result)

Greenwood was unders, but the difference between a 3rd and a 4th hardly worth going to war over.

Betts for a 4th round pick is right on, wouldn't be in our team this year and valuable points for Edwards, et al

 

[Danger in Texas]

Bullshit!!

He's done reasonably well considered the hand he was dealt, Reid is the least of our problems currently.

Agreed, the only iffy deals I'd say Reid has done in his time as list manager are the Gibbs deal (impossible to predict how much he'd fall off a cliff), as well as Greenwood and Keath (club shot themselves in the foot by publicly valuing them lowly). Did really well on the Lever/McGovern/Cameron deals, for instance, as well as all of the pick swaps

 

[Crow till I die]

I counter your argument with:

1. McGovern -> pick 13 + McAdam
2. Pick 4 -> 6 + GWS 2020/1
3. Cameron -> Fogarty
4. Lever, 35 -> 10 + Melb 2019/1

OK, show me the Gibbs deal, but if we didn't Burton ourselves, it would have been quite reasonable and was considered the missing pieces after a GF loss. It would have been about pick 10, 16 for Gibbs + 20

Keath was never worth a first, a second was the right mark.

CEY -> Lachlan Gollant (decent result)

Greenwood was unders, but the difference between a 3rd and a 4th hardly worth going to war over.

Betts for a 4th round pick is right on, wouldn't be in our team this year and valuable points for Edwards, et al

It was that the dogs needed to split picks to get the players they wanted and had offered Keath a good long term deal - that we didn't apparently push for pick 13 for say Keath and our 2nd which was low 20's from memory looks like a big lost opportunity

 

[Mutineer]

Agreed, the only iffy deals I'd say Reid has done in his time as list manager are the Gibbs deal (impossible to predict how much he'd fall off a cliff), as well as Greenwood and Keath (club shot themselves in the foot by publicly valuing them lowly). Did really well on the Lever/McGovern/Cameron deals, for instance, as well as all of the pick swaps

The Gibbs deal I think was taken out of his hands for starters and you'll never get absolute value for UNCONTRACTED players, and on Greenwood I see people going on about Greenwood's 21 disposal game on the weekend but when you drill down on them only 10 of those disposals were effective hence his DE% of 47.6% and not a single solitary inside 50 and 3 score involvements. If one of our mids had returns like that there's some on this board that would be up in arms