Training 2020 Pre Season Training

[jackster83]

I wouldn't be that upset if he turned into another peak Alex Keath. If he surpasses it then that's even better!

I'd expect him to be a fair bit better than a player that we just traded away for sweet **** all.

 

[kulak]

All i'm saying is if Alex Keath is his floor, then that's a pretty decent floor!

If we were talking Butts or even Worrell then sure.

Keath was never a top 10 player for us. Would be a catastrophic failure of recruiting given we started with pick 4.

Lever led the league for intercepts per game with us as a 21 year old and you wouldn’t find many people saying we want to spend pick 4 on him. Keath is miles from that level. No thank you.

 

[kulak]

Hamish seems to think McAsey has the ability to play Key Position at both ends so perhaps he could be classed as a KPP more than just a KPD?

Hope you are right, and if so hope he will be a good one.

From his draft profile he sounds more like a Davis, JGov type. Strong contest and intercept mark.

The type you throw forward occasionally rather than a repeat effort consistent 20 possessions 10 marks 1.5 goals key forward.

 

[Betts are off]

If we were talking Butts or even Worrell then sure.

Keath was never a top 10 player for us. Would be a catastrophic failure of recruiting given we started with pick 4.

Lever led the league for intercepts per game with us as a 21 year old and you wouldn’t find many people saying we want to spend pick 4 on him. Keath is miles from that level. No thank you.

Probably fair enough. I for one think Keath was pretty damn flawless in his role for the first half of last season, but I can see why people would want that plus an elite KPD as well.

I have to say though, this is hell of a high expectation to put on an 18 year old kid. Remember when judging him in the future that he didn't ask to be drafted to us after we traded back from 4.

 

[kulak]

Probably fair enough. I for one think Keath was pretty damn flawless in his role for the first half of last season, but I can see why people would want that plus an elite KPD as well.

I have to say though, this is hell of a high expectation to put on an 18 year old kid. Remember when judging him in the future that he didn't ask to be drafted to us after we traded back from 4.

That’s why I said I would want JR and Hamish sacked (not Fisher)

 

[Carmo]

Is it just me, or is it actually everyone but our coaches?

Actually it even IS our coaches because they don't rate him at the B&F.

He's not rated when it comes to any individual awards. Opposition coaches don't rate him; he rarely gets any coaches votes. The majority of people watching AFL can't understand why he gets games.

The real reason is like what Drugs Are Bad Mackay? laid out. Coaches get sucked in to his training form and make the flawed judgement call that his form off the field will lead to form on the field. Later when it comes down to it they don't rate his actual output.

This is absolutely flawed thinking and a flawed approach that's delivered us no success.

I'm holding out hope that Nicks won't be sucked in and won't succumb to this failed, flawed mindset of every coach we've had since Craig

Have you ever checked out other teams 20/21/22nd best players to see if they rack up many b and f or coaches votes? A few have to be the less glamorous, less exciting fill-up-the-fringes people.

It may not even be training form. It may not even be the coaches.

Other people have come into the team while he's been in there, Doedee, Kelly, Laird, M Crouch, Murphy, but others have all gone out to make way for them.

If anything don't you have to blame list management that allows him to just be remaining on the edge of the team through so many years and circumstances? Perhaps its our salary structure, perhaps its not enough list turnover, perhaps its poor development, it def would be partly conditioning people since they booted out so many thru injuries but not Dmac, he stayed healthy thru it and that kept him getting games and in form compared to so many others.

We have simply never had enough good uninjured players on the list to keep him out.

That said I do admit we are woeful at making room for developing players, but even if we did, I still dont think he'd have played many less than he has.

 

[Golumless]

If we were talking Butts or even Worrell then sure.

Keath was never a top 10 player for us. Would be a catastrophic failure of recruiting given we started with pick 4.

Lever led the league for intercepts per game with us as a 21 year old and you wouldn’t find many people saying we want to spend pick 4 on him. Keath is miles from that level. No thank you.

Yeah, that's the problem with intercept defenders. It's completely necessary to be competent AFL side to have someone good at it, but it's not the most valuable thing due to how saturated it is of players who are good at it. Something you want to be filled cheaply, or with an elite leg. If McAsey ends up as purely an intercept defender, pick 4 and even pick 6 is a big overpay, even if McAsey ends up with 300 games.

Now, if McAsey can shutdown a key forward, and provide offensive output through intercepts, then we've got a player who pick 4 looks like a damn good decision.

 

[1990crow]

Will genuinely be in tears if Mackay plays again.

I'd rationalised it that Campo was the one pushing his barrow all along which explained why across multiple senior coaches we had the paradox of his indispensable selection status despite his woeful Best & Fairest polling.

No Campo and he's still getting a gig...?

Tears.

More making the point that just changing the senior coach means that the other assistants still remain and their rating of Mackay hasnt changed.
We needed more assistants to help Nicks.

 

[GrommoT]

There's a Mackay cycle that all our coaches go through:

1. New coach comes into the club
2. No preconceived ideas, all players with a clean slate
3. Super impressed by Mackay's fitness, work ethic and professionalism during preseason
4. Note that Mackay is one of the first players to adapt to and understand new game plan
5. Select Mackay religiously
6. Start coaching reign ok
7. Mackay puts in some decent games in easy wins at home against lowly opposition
8. Team falters at key stages of the season
9. Coach continues to pin hopes on Mackay who continually let's them down when it counts
10. A season or two later the honeymoon period is over, losses mount
11. The coach starts to come under heavy scrutiny due to poor results
12. After continued poor form Mackay finally gets dropped on occasions
13. Pressure continues to mount. In a panic and as a last resort, the coach clings to their senior players even harder.
14. Mackay earns a selection reprieve, often without even playing a SANFL game
15. Coach doesn't realise that it's the senior players who are delivering the poor results
16. Coach fired

Repeat cycle

I'm going to turn this into a clock if Nicks look like going down this path.

 

[ad victoriam]

Mike Tyson was a champion boxer

The crows have had aggression in Tex, who would you say is West Coasts agressor or Ricmonds. Agression by frampton maybe great but if his ability lacks then it wont help. What Ive seen is his ability, it is not up there yet as we have seen with our own eyes , will it ever be who knows maybe he can develop maybe he cant

Yes I know Tyson was a Boxer, met him once before his massive fall from grace. bit of a Short Arse but built like brick shithouse.

As for aggression in Tex, He not know for his crashing packs is he, the Crow has not had a decent contest making forward for a few years,
Again watch Frampton play before you comment too much.

 

[marty36]

Yes I know Tyson was a Boxer, met him once before his massive fall from grace. bit of a Short Arse but built like brick shithouse.

As for aggression in Tex, He not know for his crashing packs is he, the Crow has not had a decent contest making forward for a few years,
Again watch Frampton play before you comment too much.

I have watched Frampton he shows a lot of physicality but he clearly lacks Elite AFL ability which is why he has played SANFL for the past 5 years

 

[Thetrader15]

Yes I know Tyson was a Boxer, met him once before his massive fall from grace. bit of a Short Arse but built like brick shithouse.

As for aggression in Tex, He not know for his crashing packs is he, the Crow has not had a decent contest making forward for a few years,
Again watch Frampton play before you comment too much.

Did you tell him that?

 

[Elite Crow]

Pre-season injury update

The latest on Adelaide's injury list ahead of Saturday's Marsh series match

www.afc.com.au

So Ned didn’t play last week, which means he wasn’t relegated to the seconds

Jack is Back

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I would demand the sacking of JR and Hamish for turning pick 4 into a player about as good as Alex Keath.

The only possible excuse for an outcome that bad will be if Stephens, Ash, and everyone selected after pick 6 proves to be as useless as James Aish.

He needs to be as good as Phil Davis, Daniel Talia or better to justify having pick 4 and choosing to select a tall defender.

Yes, the expectation needs to be that our best ever draft picks becomes a gun... otherwise we have badly stuffed up.

 

[hey shorty]

I would demand the sacking of JR and Hamish for turning pick 4 into a player about as good as Alex Keath.

The only possible excuse for an outcome that bad will be if Stephens, Ash, and everyone selected after pick 6 proves to be as useless as James Aish.

He needs to be as good as Phil Davis, Daniel Talia or better to justify having pick 4 and choosing to select a tall defender.

Stephens was picked before McAsey.

 

[MRB37]

Pre-season injury update

The latest on Adelaide's injury list ahead of Saturday's Marsh series match

www.afc.com.au

So Ned didn’t play last week, which means he wasn’t relegated to the seconds

Knight being injured again is a cruel blow for someone looking to save their career though. No competitive loading for a month puts him all the way back to a mid-year prospect probably.

 

[hey shorty]

Knight being injured again is a cruel blow for someone looking to save their career though. No competitive loading for a month puts him all the way back to a mid-year prospect probably.

Sad for him for sure, makes little difference to us as a team.

 

[baldandbroke]

Tex worries about the player he is about to tackle because he has been rubbed out for tackling too hard

Agreed ... but it has resulted in him not going through with a few contests which has meant a lot of people label him as "soft". I understand his duty-of-care approach , but I'm not sure if the balance is right though :-(

Not to say that Tex being rubbed out every second week is the answer either. Luke Hodge seemed to get right to the edge, that is what we all look at say "yeah, like that".

Wayne Carey was another king of it. He would fall on people, bump them into contests, put his knee through the defender in the hole.

I want our guys to make a difference, somehow. Think, opposite of 2017 GF !!

 

[Golumless]

I would demand the sacking of JR and Hamish for turning pick 4 into a player about as good as Alex Keath.

The only possible excuse for an outcome that bad will be if Stephens, Ash, and everyone selected after pick 6 proves to be as useless as James Aish.

He needs to be as good as Phil Davis, Daniel Talia or better to justify having pick 4 and choosing to select a tall defender.

I'd be aiming higher personally. Alex Rance/Jeremy McGovern is really the point where such a pick looks good. seeing pick 4 is potentially a star midfielder, or key forward (though, not as much in this draft). You can begrudgingly live with a Daniel Talia with that price though.

 

[Thetrader15]

Agreed ... but it has resulted in him not going through with a few contests which has meant a lot of people label him as "soft". I understand his duty-of-care approach , but I'm not sure if the balance is right though :-(

Not to say that Tex being rubbed out every second week is the answer either. Luke Hodge seemed to get right to the edge, that is what we all look at say "yeah, like that".

Wayne Carey was another king of it. He would fall on people, bump them into contests, put his knee through the defender in the hole.

I want our guys to make a difference, somehow. Think, opposite of 2017 GF !!

Hodge, Carey - were captains of Vic clubs so got away with a lot more than Tex ever will be able to. Especially when he is as honest as the day is long, and wears his heart on his sleeve as a passionate Crows man.

I'd actually prefer it's not just one guy who is responsible for it, and if there is a tagger, whenever possible, any / all of our team will run into them, or push off the guy on the ground when they are trying to get up, etc

However, all this comes second to being really disciplined, skillful and compliant with team rules (or is that fourth?)

 

[Thetrader15]

I'd be aiming higher personally. Alex Rance/Jeremy McGovern is really the point where such a pick looks good. seeing pick 4 is potentially a star midfielder, or key forward (though, not as much in this draft). You can begrudgingly live with a Daniel Talia with that price though.

He seems to have the tools (I'm referring to McAsey here, not Rance)

 

[baldandbroke]

Hodge, Carey - were captains of Vic clubs so got away with a lot more than Tex ever will be able to. Especially when he is as honest as the day is long, and wears his heart on his sleeve as a passionate Crows man.

I'd actually prefer it's not just one guy who is responsible for it, and if there is a tagger, whenever possible, any / all of our team will run into them, or push off the guy on the ground when they are trying to get up, etc

However, all this comes second to being really disciplined, skillful and compliant with team rules (or is that fourth?)

Agree that the whole team need to be harder for longer ... but Tex had that in him, and maybe got smacked back a bit too far from where he should be.

I think Fogarty will get the same treatment this year as he starts to shine.

I expect Nicks to instill a much harder edge to our team rules, our mantra, what we stand for. Well, when I say expect ... I probably mean hope

 

[jackster83]

Knight being injured again is a cruel blow for someone looking to save their career though. No competitive loading for a month puts him all the way back to a mid-year prospect probably.

He's just about done now you'd think.

 

[ad victoriam]

Did you tell him that?

No way he was at the top of the game at that time, but I was surprised in how short he was

 

[ad victoriam]

I have watched Frampton he shows a lot of physicality but he clearly lacks Elite AFL ability which is why he has played SANFL for the past 5 years

Doubt you have watched him much to be honest Because you fail to mention or had no knowledge that he spent the first 4 years playing as a Ruckman in the Port setup only went to Full Forward Last year. and as a Full Forward, he was close to being one of the best if not the best in the SANFL.