List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part II

[tomjoad]

Imagine if bottom clubs keep losing talent while top 4 clubs harvest them. They should remove draft picks for the club receiving with a discount like the academy or FS.

Or a choice. You can take your Lynch or your Cameron...but you forgo your benefit for the year re the academy or FS. You get to choose, but you can't have all. I don't know how it would work, but it would be a hell of a lot more fair.

 

[Sheepey]

We need another a key back

Sure, but ever since his draft year he has made it clear that he prefers to play forward.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I still think we should keep it simple.

Crouch
A back up ruck like Crossley
A KPB either Carlisle and or Payne type developing.
A tall forward Skinner, Mihocek or even play Crossley forward.
Take our pick to the draft for a mid. This year might actually have more of a lottery effect and with so many good tall players we should get a good one.
I'm not sold on an expensive, older and injury plagued Treloar if we already have Crouch.

Trade out depth players to reduce TPP and bring in picks for the draft/trade.

Pretty good plan Gring. Do think we need to have a couple cracks at the draft, it’s like a box of chocolates this year.

 

[kernelT]

I reckon we would have been up to our ears against richmond a couple of weeks back with a full squad to choose from… throw in 2 more serious mids and there is no reason we shouldn't expect big things in 2021.

 

[Armoooo]

I also believe all 1st round picks should be on 4 year contracts with a team option for a 5th. Lower restricted free agency to 5 years.
loyalty is dead in the AFL now.

It is also time for the clubs to have the power to trade players without consent unless they have a no-trade clause in there contract.

Couldn't disagree more. The players are employees and should have some say over their employer.

I don't like the American model of treating players like pure commodities.

Loyalty is dead because why should you be loyal to an employer if another is offering better terms and conditions?

Does Rowell owe Gold Coast loyalty? What have they done for him? They owe him, not the other way around.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Easiest way to fix it is to stop letting players pick the team they want to go to. Unless they are an unrestricted FA they should only be able to pick the state and then whoever gives the club the most gets the player

 

[Diehard Saint]

A bit of talk that he is on 900k until 2025 or 3.6m over the contract. We would need to restructure the hell out of it & make sure the Pies came to the party.

The Pies would need to pay 500k in year 1 & 2 to make it palatable. That would leave us to pay 2.6m over 4 or 650k per year. I would do that.

Not a list manager ( obviously ) but do we need both Crouch and Treloar?
Especially as Ross came good towards end of the season.

Gresh back in for mid minutes, surely Clark gets some too and hopefully development and some time in the middle for Bytel and Byrnes..

Maybe the money is better spent elsewhere where we need to bolster?

 

[Mr Pickles]

Couldn't disagree more. The players are employees and should have some say over their employer.

I don't like the American model of treating players like pure commodities.

Loyalty is dead because why should you be loyal to an employer if another is offering better terms and conditions?

Does Rowell owe Gold Coast loyalty? What have they done for him? They owe him, not the other way around.

If you want parity in sports, teams need to have some control. Free agency provides a mechanism where players also have some control, it's just been implemented very poorly by the AFL. If players could just go to any team they want right from the beginning the league would be even more of a joke than it already is.

 

[MightySaint]

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Yes so end of 2022 is his fourth year, with the (unlikely) trigger of a fifth. So still two more years at least.

I Thought the 5 years were through 2021? We just picked up the last 3 years of the original contract?

 

[Diehard Saint]

They would be getting 400k off their books in year 1 & 2 & 900k in years 3 & 4. I can’t see anyone club taking on the full whack. That is a horrible contract. Not Buddy level but getting close.

Didn't they get him from the Giants in some underhand manner? Think Gubby was possibly involved? Sent him to Tassie for surgery On the quiet or something before they’d even signed him? Then signed him to a huge contract and now trying to dump him?
It’s like a soap opera.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Imagine if bottom clubs keep losing talent while top 4 clubs harvest them. They should remove draft picks for the club receiving with a discount like the academy or FS.

Tigers should certainly have lost a draft pick when they got Lynch for basically nothing.

 

[triggering bro]

Not a list manager ( obviously ) but do we need both Crouch and Treloar?
Especially as Ross came good towards end of the season.

Gresh back in for mid minutes, surely Clark gets some too and hopefully development and some time in the middle for Bytel and Byrnes..

Maybe the money is better spent elsewhere where we need to bolster?

I actually think our midfield depth is starting to shape up alright however we need to upgrade one or two. If Treloar came into our midfield Ross would struggle to get a game IMO. Gresham would push forward. Bytel & Byrnes are too young to make a call on. We can’t depend on them being Treloar quality. Starting midfield would be Treloar, Steele & Crouch with Clark, Jones, Gresh & Hanners rotating through. Dunstan & Ross tradebait.

 

[Diehard Saint]

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I Thought the 5 years were through 2021? We just picked up the last 3 years of the original contract?

Could well be right, I just counted it from when he came to us in 2019.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Doubt they would do that. Collingwood are trying to offload Treloar because their salary cap is bursting and he has a huge contract.

Collingwood can’t afford to pitch in and pay for any of his salary. That’s why Treloar’s trade value will plummet. In effect, a salary dump born by necessity.

Of course they can pitch in.
Having back ended his deal they'll be paying that difference at a minimum.

Suitors will be pragmatic and pay what they believe is his market value, let's say $650-$700.

Any more will be put on the filth, plus his trade value will reflect their desperation.

If the filth can free up $650-700k
and get a reasonable pick back then the impost of funding $150k
for a few years is negligible.

 

[BrutThough]

I actually think our midfield depth is starting to shape up alright however we need to upgrade a one or two. If Treloar came into our midfield Ross would struggle to get a game IMO. Gresham would push forward. Bytel & Byrnes are too young to make a call on. We can’t depend on them being Treloar quality. Starting midfield would be Treloar, Steele & Crouch with Clark,
Gresh & Hanners rotating through. Dunstan & Ross tradebait.

It’s a lot to pay and commit too for the next 4-5 years for what would be a marginal improvement on Ross.

Surely our list has bigger and more urgent holes than upgrading Seb Ross?

Feels a bit like doing two trades for the sake of doing two trades rather than it being the best and most impactful use of money and picks.

 

[triggering bro]

It’s a lot to pay and commit too for the next 4-5 years for what would be a marginal improvement on Ross.

Surely our list has bigger and more urgent holes than upgrading Seb Ross?

Feels a bit like doing two trades for the sake of doing two trades rather than it being the best and most impactful use of money and picks.

Treloar is far superior to Ross. If we want to take the next step we need to keep improving.

 

[SaintersUnite]

I reckon Carlton or the Coast would be interested in Ross, if we end up picking up another midfielder. He’d be surplus to needs at that point and would net us a solid round 2 draft pick.


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[Winmar2Lockett]

I'm 106 pages behind now. Reading all these posts about where we're going to play Caldwell, who he's going to get a game in front of, how we're not going to give Adelaide our first because we're using it for Caldwell, etc. Good times!

If getting ahead of yourself was an Olympic sport, we'd be in the Australian team fo sho!

Welcome to the trade thread.

Where we discuss stuff regarding trades, what they might cost & how players might fit in.

Amazin’ isn’t it!


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[Joffaboy]

Is there a reason we have confidence at all about us targetting Treloar?

 

[LeonardHayes87]

Reading between the lines something else that’s significant is happening behind scenes.

First you have MG and other ITKs come out and say words to the effect that Caldwell has accepted the contract terms and is basically signed.

We then sign Crouch which Tom Morris reports to be “no surprise to the Caldwell camp” (I.e. they were most likely made aware of the fact he would be signing also ).

Then all of a sudden Caldwell flips and nominates Essendon based on game time and midfield minutes (supposedly). But he was aware of the Crouch news for sometime.

So is there someone else (of A grade talent) coming in to the midfield group that we don’t know about?

 

[kernelT]

Treloar, Crouch, Steele, Jones, Gresham, Hannebery, Clark - that's like a 180+ disposal, 35+ clearance, 40 tackle, inside/outside midfield with pace and flair.

Billings & Hill on the outside.

Who is the opposition going to try and shut down?

No weak links…

 

[StKildaKing]

Treloar is far superior to Ross. If we want to take the next step we need to keep improving.

Agreed, he is way more than a ”marginal improvement”. He’s a gun.

 

[Saint Shags]

Is there a reason we have confidence at all about us targetting Treloar?

Cmon Joff. This is the Trade thread. When have we ever needed proof or logic to back up confidence.
All you need is the 'Its Happening' gif and we all lose our collective minds for a few hours till reality sinks in and we all get angry

 

[Saint_Dos]

If Collingwood are getting rid of him, its because they cant afford him. So I cant see them paying any of his contract for the club who takes him

Some of those deals often are if you pay a lot for the trade (eg 1st rounder) they pay some of his wage.
If you give them bugger all you take the whole contract.

 

[mighty_sainters]

The lack of Ben King

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Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

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7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

talk disappoints me, the final piece to the puzzle.

I’m sure of it.