List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part III

[prophetic1]

i think we might end up going to the desparate and dateless trade ball next week. Never know might pick upa player on Bachelorette!

 

[True Believer]

Some poor guy on SEN is trying to explain that North is a destination club.

Final destination maybe. It's the place where football careers go to die.......

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think it is important that we all familiarise ourselves with the official rules before speculating



The guidelines made publicly available state:



What does it all mean? Essentially, the AFL can make it up as they go along. They plug the variables into the formula that dictated the compensation, however, if it is thought to be too high or too low, they can amend it.

Nowhere does it state how the formula accounts for multiple player movements. However as the guidelines refer to compensation being based on the "net" losses, I would suggest that it must be a cumulative issue. The only precedence we have for a club losing multiple players was back in the old system, Melbourne were given two 3rd round picks, however even if it were in the current system, it would neither confirm, not deny the cumulative effect.

So, that's the rules and precedence out of the way. The following will be purely my speculation.

The fact that the Draft Value Index (DVI) was updated at the same time as the free agency process was updated, to me suggests that there is a likely relationship.

The highest draft pick available under the FA system is pick 2 which has a DVI of approximately 2500 (rounded). To me, this suggests that the maximum number the formula can spot out for a single player is 2500. To get that, you would need to be in the 99th percentile for salary and 25 years old.

I believe that each player coming in and coming out gets a score using thisula. A clubs compensation will be calculated based on the net outcome of their FA movement.

There are other questions at hand:
- Is the banding a set DVI price or would Adelaide need the formula to provide a higher score than Richmond?
- Are clubs told what the formula is ahead of time to allow them to make informed decisions

I think Adelaide losing a few players works in our advantage, not only because it increases the net loss during FA movements, but also because it gives the AFL an excuse for why a player like Crouch attracted top banding. It doesn't make it look like the system was gamed.

Adelaide will not match, I'm very confident of this.

We will sign him as a FA. If we get him for $600k and they miss out on band 1 then I would expect we trade them Dunstan for unders. If we have to raise our bid to guarantee bid 1, then we trade them salary dump for overs (DMac please).

But I am confident that the AFL will confirm our bid will give Adelaide band 1 compo thanks to the assist from GC signing Atkins.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

The rules must be written by lawyers, they are vague as hell.
I thought the same about the "net " loss but it also talks about compensation being "picks " ( plural ).
Its also not clear that the free agent points system is the same as the DVI. As you said it might be , but who the hell knows?

 

[joop]

Everyone doesn't do Coke , what a stupid thing to say

ok sorry mr pedantic. majority of men with heaps of disposable income in their 20's do coke.

 

[Spider Eater]

COMPLETED TRADE:




Mixed kebab & Coke $12

Is this the Sydney Stack

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compensation?

 

[bird_man]

How about that Andrew campaigner (Essendon supporter) that calls SEN and trade radio daily.

Seems like an arrogant campaigner. Needs a punch a head I reckon.

 

[RWB4life]

How about that Andrew campaigner (Essendon supporter) that calls SEN and trade radio daily.

Seems like an arrogant campaigner. Needs a punch a head I reckon.

No need for violence. Being an Essendon supporter has made him brain-dead enough already.

On SM-N985F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Forget about all this trade bullshit that I'm sure we're all sick of - take 2mins to reminisce the GOAT. That'll kickstart your Friday.

Jones was one of my favourite players , despite the flaws.

 

[Greg1853]

Disagree.

the efforts he put in during our 2008 to 2010 tilt was enormous. He played a second half of the 2009 with a broken nose and separated shoulder and almost dragged us over the line.

Again in the 2010 GF he lifted and was great, but all through the seasons he was great.

What happens afterwards is irrelevant to what he gave in those years.

I'm 100% with Joffa on this. Think he also battered himself in the 2005 final series as well. Respect earned and not lost from me

 

[SaintsSeptember]

How about that Andrew campaigner (Essendon supporter) that calls SEN and trade radio daily.

Seems like an arrogant campaigner. Needs a punch a head I reckon.

You don't get to many Essendon games i take it.

 

[saintscott]

I will honestly buy a North Melbourne membership next season if they hire Banger. The bloke deserves a gig, and sadly, I think this is his only shot. The industry has determined he is not up to it so would love to see him prove them wrong by succeeding in the job that nobody wanted (not at our expense of course).

Harves is my all time fave saint and while i would love to see him get a crack at a senior post, the kangas role is doomed to failure for a new coach. Whoever takes it will be chewed up and spat out as the club is an absolute shambles. It will need a ross lyon type career coach to get back on track and even then, would need some significant changes to the club administration.

 

[Joffaboy]

i think we might end up going to the desparate and dateless trade ball next week. Never know might pick upa player on Bachelorette!

This is next years contestant apparently

 

[gringo2011]

Reminds me of that time we pushed Luke Ball out and then lost a flag to him the next year.

He's not anywhere near LB and I didn't rate LB after he got a bit older and his groins held him back. Dunstan is a heart and soul battler but he's realistically a pick in the mid to late second round kind of range player. Good rotation for a club in development who needs a solid soldier. He'd suit Essendon or Carlton who need inside grunt to feed better users. He might do a bit of a Newnes and be a good addition to a club but no-one is going headhunting him.

 

[George]

I watched the 2009 St Kilda season DVD the other week when it popped up as suggested on YouTube. We really were a ridiculous team.

Regularly thumping teams by 15 goals.
Having 4+ mids racking up 30-35 touches most weeks.
Riewoldt unstoppable.
Didn’t lose a game until round 20.
We only lost 3 games for the year for a combined margin of 19 points.

3 games. That’s it. Roo missed after the siren against the Dons and lost by 2. The next week Roo launched a 55 metre bomb to tie the game being 6 points down with less than a minute left and a North player just got there and touched it and lost by 5. And then the big dance, Hawkin’s poster called a goal, Rooke kicking a goal after the siren which I don’t really count... lost by 12 but anything could’ve happened in that centre square moment...

Has any other team in history gone as close to a completely undefeated season as we did that year?

25 games for only 3 losses totalling 19 points fmd. We would’ve cleaned up the past 5 grand finals if that team was running out today.

2000 Bombers

 

[gringo2011]

The thing that really irks me about Ball.

When he left he did by all reports a pre season all on his own with a personal trainer. He landed at the pies in probably his best shape since 2005.

Never bothered to do that with us.

He came to the kids junior footy club and just about jerked himself off about how great Collingwood were and how he walked out of some backwood unprofessional shit stain to pure professionalism. Most ungracious ex footballer I have ever witnessed. It really left a bad taste in my mouth and have found him hard to like ever since.

 

[saintscott]

Everyone doesn't do Coke , what a stupid thing to say

Only because some of us can't afford it. If i was on 700k a year though...

 

[CaptainRisky]

ok sorry mr pedantic. majority of men with heaps of disposable income in their 20's do coke.

Nothing to do with being pedantic , and no need to be an ass ,

 

[joop]

TR and SEN reporting DFA Shaun McKernon to St.Kilda.

Can't see a confirmation though

After seeing Ryan Abbott

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Ryan Abbott

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33

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200cm

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100kg

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9.5

2star

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4.5

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5.0

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2.0

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22.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

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5.0

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5.8

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2.4

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26.4

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play for us I’m all for this move

 

[prophetic1]

This is next years contestant apparentlyView attachment 998665

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i Think Dan would Close the Borders to Queensland and NSW if if that were the case.. ALTHOUGH WOULD BE AN INTERESTING THREESOME.

 

[joop]

Nothing to do with being pedantic , and no need to be an ass ,

Well don’t be an ass and tell me what I said was stupid when you clearly were being pedantic about the terminology I used. Have a couple of nose beers and move on.

 

[L_W_P]

I agree with the caller...Mona, Cradle Mtn, Barnbougle etc.

Boss at work will talk your ear off for days about this place. He's played all over the world and would argue til he is blue in the face that, with ideal conditions, this is a top 5 course in the world.

 

[Joffaboy]

After seeing Ryan Abbott

27

Ryan Abbott

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

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Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.0

4star

HO

22.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.8

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

26.4

5star

play for us I’m all for this move

TBH, I saw McKernon play some OK football at Essendon. From what I recall not a bad mark and lead, ordinary ruckman, no worse than Longer or Pierce though.

Good backup.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Some poor guy on SEN is trying to explain that North is a destination club.

North are a destination club. Destination: Tasmania.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Well don’t be an ass and tell me what I said was stupid when you clearly were being pedantic about the terminology I used. Have a couple of nose beers and move on.

One finger ,,, Two words

 

[Joffaboy]

So....

Anyone got any fake PM's to get everyone excited about?

Now the Flamer is in the bunker with Gags and Gubby we just don't get A grade info ATM.