List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[Tedeski]

(one recent exception)

Sam Gray?
He was delisted by Port & given a lifeline by us & didn't make a good fist of it.

 

[Tedeski]

I'm ok for Reid to get another year as long as we aren't paying him too much, and probably O'Connor as well as he is still developing, but Ronke is a little lucky to survive IMO

Me too.
How much was he getting last year & did it include triggers for games played?

 

[Dubai Quacker]

So where does this leave Clarke?

 

[BloodySwan]

So where does this leave Clarke?

Fairly certain he's already signed to next year as well. He posted this on his instagram earlier in the week

 

[caesar88]

Geez I reckon we've been more generous than we needed to be with a few guys who are miles off.

 

[Superstar swan]

Not sure what ronke has done to deserve to be employed by an AFL club

 

[blood_lust]

So Lewis Taylor

28

Lewis Taylor

Age

29

Ht

174cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.1

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

9.6

2star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.2

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

1.2

4star

to the rookie list frees up a draft spot, and takes his salary out of the cap? Is that what happens here?


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[zyzzbruh]

Not sure what ronke has done to deserve to be employed by an AFL club

Had a ripping first season off the rookie list. Then did ok in his second despite being in a bottom 4 team. Then got injured. If you join the whipping boy bandwagon then you will tend to not see the logic in these kind of decisions.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Trying to calculate how many list spots we have available now & whether a spot on the rookie list remains for Paddy McC.

Its doing my head in.

Send help.

 

[robbieando]

It is likely that we are now running a senior list of 37 players with the re-signing we made today. In that case, we will go to the draft with 4 picks 16, 31, 39 and 70 and use three of them to get to 37 spots. That will then leave 3 spots to be filled on the rookie list (2 Cat A's and 1 Cat B) via the rookie draft.

If we have signed Clarke for next year which no one knows is the case, we will go into next year with a senior list of 38, 3 picks in the National Draft and only two picks in the rookie draft (1 Cat A and 1 Cat B).

 

[Dubai Quacker]

It is likely that we are now running a senior list of 37 players with the re-signing we made today. In that case, we will go to the draft with 4 picks 16, 31, 39 and 70 and use three of them to get to 37 spots. That will then leave 3 spots to be filled on the rookie list (2 Cat A's and 1 Cat B) via the rookie draft.

If we have signed Clarke for next year which no one knows is the case, we will go into next year with a senior list of 38, 3 picks in the National Draft and only two picks in the rookie draft (1 Cat A and 1 Cat B).

I can't see us using Pick 70, so I would surmise that Clarke is already signed.

Having said that, I'm still not entirely clear on Bell either.

Its frustrating being a Swans member sometimes. I'm not quite sure why the media department can't offer a little more clarity on who will be sticking around next year.

 

[hairy biker]

It is likely that we are now running a senior list of 37 players with the re-signing we made today. In that case, we will go to the draft with 4 picks 16, 31, 39 and 70 and use three of them to get to 37 spots. That will then leave 3 spots to be filled on the rookie list (2 Cat A's and 1 Cat B) via the rookie draft.

If we have signed Clarke for next year which no one knows is the case, we will go into next year with a senior list of 38, 3 picks in the National Draft and only two picks in the rookie draft (1 Cat A and 1 Cat B).

Today is the day for the first official list lodgement and we've obviously announced 3 re-signings.
Given there has been no mention of Clarke with regard to delisting or re-signing I'd suggest it's reasonable to assume he'll be with us next season.

My guess is he was initially signed for 3 years (as per Taylor) rather than the 2 years (as per Gray).

The Hun has posted at least a couple of articles on out-of-contract players and Clarke has always been absent from that list.

 

[the hypnotoad]

What a whelming decision from the club

i'm quite whelmed, yes

 

[the hypnotoad]

Ronke , Reid and O’Connor sign for one

one each, or one between them?

 

[anotherletdown]

It is likely that we are now running a senior list of 37 players with the re-signing we made today. In that case, we will go to the draft with 4 picks 16, 31, 39 and 70 and use three of them to get to 37 spots. That will then leave 3 spots to be filled on the rookie list (2 Cat A's and 1 Cat B) via the rookie draft.

If we have signed Clarke for next year which no one knows is the case, we will go into next year with a senior list of 38, 3 picks in the National Draft and only two picks in the rookie draft (1 Cat A and 1 Cat B).

4 picks makes me wonder if there is a belief Anderson might go in the main draft

 

[robbieando]

4 picks makes me wonder if there is a belief Anderson might go in the main draft

As a senior list can be up to 38 players in size we currently have 4 spots available to reach that number.

As it's likely that our list size next year will be 37 in size, therefore we would only need to use three picks. Taking 4 picks into the draft allows us another pick to live trade on the night. Pick 70 with all the F/S bids could become a pick in the 50's and be of more value on the night if we want to move up in the draft.

 

[Punts]

Apparently we are into Polec

 

[hairy biker]

As he's in the delistings this year I figured I'd put it here instead of the former players thread.

Kaiden Brand

2

Kaiden Brand

Age

30

Ht

198cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.2

3star

MG

45.0

1star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

45.0

1star

D

13.0

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.2

3star

showing a fair bit more class than Sam Gray

15

Sam Gray

Age

32

Ht

176cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

8.4

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

10.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.8

3star

M

2.2

2star

T

2.4

3star

G

0.2

3star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

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Why ex-Hawk, Swan is content to return to former club

He's back in the SANFL after nine years at the elite level.

www.sen.com.au

He says the COVID-impacted 2020 and 2021 seasons did make it difficult but holds no ill-will towards the Swans.

“Nah, I saw the writing the wall for a little bit there,” he said on SEN SA Breakfast.
“The last couple of years had been pretty different in terms of how footy has looked. I guess when you’re playing in the reserves, especially through the last couple of years.
“It’s been pretty hard to crack in when games get cancelled and things like that. I certainly saw the writing on the wall and I was ready for it.”

“In terms of games played it’s not the most successful career, but I certainly appreciate the opportunity I was given by both those clubs,” he added.
“The two clubs I was at have probably been two of the strongest clubs in terms of performance and culture over the last 20 years.
“A lot of the things I was able to experience, there’s no way in hell I would have experienced that stuff without being at a footy club. I’m really appreciative of it.”

 

[hairy biker]

Apparently we are into Polec

AFL website;

Polec left Port Adelaide and joined North Melbourne on lucrative contract at the end of 2018. He signed a five-year deal at the time reported to be somewhere near the $3.5 million mark.

Which explains;

NORTH Melbourne has made the shock decision to delist high-priced recruit Jared Polec, but the club says it is committed to taking him in next month's NAB AFL Rookie Draft.

 

[Punts]

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AFL website;

Which explains;

Just sen

 

[FreeAgent1]

Taylor to rookie list means that $80k of his pay is not included in TPP. I'd say that would indicate he has the highest pay of those signed today.

Others likely to be on absolutely base wage with match payments and incentives.....structually this move makes sense from a TPP perspective, but still not sure Ronke will be in a different position in 2022/23 as he is inferior to wicks in pressure sense.

 

[swanssince2002]

Surprised that Ronke got retained.

Could this be the start of the Reid to KPD experiment? Who knows lmao

 

[rustycrate]

Surprised that Ronke got retained.

Could this be the start of the Reid to KPD experiment? Who knows lmao

And maybe pick Goater as the heir apparent to Sir Dane first round. O'Connor may come on this year.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Surprised that Ronke got retained.

Could this be the start of the Reid to KPD experiment? Who knows lmao

Another possibility is that Sheather is being considered as a mid/forward so Ronke needed as first rank cover. Be interested to see which group he trains with.

 

[Ticky009]

Esoteric draft fact #whatever: Number of players U22 that are over 190cm


Suns
10

Adelaide
9

Collingwood
9

Essendon
8

GWS
7

Sydney
7

Brisbane
6

Carlton
6

Richmond
6

Hawthorn
5

thanks to eDPS from over on the draft board.