List Mgmt. 2021 Draft Picks part deux: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[WaynesWorld19]

I genuinely wonder what the point of it is? Is a training session going to swing anyones mind on a draft pick? Surely not??

I understand it's final look at draftees to see what their conditioning is like , and ball handling skills / kicking

But I agree, given the timing of recent state based combines, not much would have changed

 

[Mutineer]

when are they doing the vic combine?

They aren't for the Vic Metro lads and the Vic Country lads one over in Bendigo wasn't run in ideal conditions either.

All the Vic Metro boys only did the 2km time trial via Strava.

There's also some that due to injuries etc didn't test that will be fit now for the recruiters to cast their eyes over.

There were originally 55 Combine invitees from Victoria so at least 3 are still not able to take part today, not sure if there were any late inclusions.

 

[JennyTalia]

Does it really matter though if some people online think that Rachele is a slight reach at that stage of the draft? If that's who we want that's who we should get.

Doedee was considered a massive reach at his spot and people on this board were furious we didn't select Burton instead. I know who I would rather have now.
From memory I think the Bulldogs took Bont earlier than people predicted but I'm sure they're happy with that. In terms of small forwards Pickett was seen as a bit of a reach by those online a couple of years ago. I'm sure Melbourne are happy with him.

And by the sounds of things in terms of interviews from multiple clubs with picks around ours it seems that is the range clubs rate Rachele in.

Agree. At this time of year people become too focused on someone's height and weight and where they fit into another amatuer person's ranking.

 

[Mutineer]

Why Josh Rachele is the most entertaining player in the draft

Draft prospect Josh Rachele shows why he's highly rated with some long goals and strong grabs.

www.afl.com.au

 

[Danger in Texas]

Yes they are .....who was the champion small fwd for RICH's 3 flags ?

Luke Bruest absolutely a key cog at Hawks .....and Akermanis was a key to BRIS's flags ......but you'd still have to admit it was the Hawks and Brisbanes midfield stars of Hodge, Rioli, Mitchell, Lewis, Burgoyne, Black, Voss, Power, and Lappin were the prime movers

Like I said, two-pronged key forwards the reason they didn’t require it in 2019/20. 2017 they had a higher than usual amount of guys in their premiership 22 that averaged a goal a game or more (Riewoldt, Martin, Butler, Rioli, Castagna, Townsend, Caddy)

Yep, the midfield the primary reason for those flags (and many others), but teams don’t have premierships without top-line goalkickers, big and small. With that in mind, I can understand why we might think Rachele would be a big help to us going forward

 

[Crow till I die]

Why Josh Rachele is the most entertaining player in the draft

Draft prospect Josh Rachele shows why he's highly rated with some long goals and strong grabs.

www.afl.com.au

you are going to pillar me for saying this, and I will qualify it by saying I have never seen Rachele play live, but the highlights package looks errily like a Jimmy Rowe style player. He spots up well, gets to the right spots at the level he is playing at, knows where the goals are - all things Jimmy did well at the Eagles

I am suspecting he might have a touch more pace than Jimmy?

 

[Mutineer]

you are going to pillar me for saying this, and I will qualify it by saying I have never seen Rachele play live, but the highlights package looks errily like a Jimmy Rowe style player. He spots up well, gets to the right spots at the level he is playing at, knows where the goals are - all things Jimmy did well at the Eagles

I am suspecting he might have a touch more pace than Jimmy?

Maybe go watch the footage from his 6 goal haul against the Northern Knights I posted yesterday.

And yes it's crystal clear you've never seen him play.

 

[Crow till I die]

Maybe go watch the footage from his 6 goal haul against the Northern Knights I posted yesterday.

I did. I guess its because he is smaller and I remember Jimmy kicking bags too in the SANFL and looking like a world beater at that level. I just can't shake that image but I am sure I don't have anything like the full picture and as has been pointed out, he has interviewed multiple times with us, GWS, Hawthorn and a few others right at the pointy end of the draft so the guys who know obviously rate him very highly.

It is just the very brief footage I have seen I am not seeing the next Toby Greene (yet).

 

[Matman23]

Your correct with your comment regarding comparisons are always far off however I think there is a good purpose & reason for player comparisons in player pre-draft assessments.

So many fans of any sport take a lot of interest & in some cases more interest in the off-season part of the sport, this happens as it’s a surrogate activity or for the most part a distraction from our regular life. The level of interest conjoint with knowledge of all the strategic crevasses of high-level sports off season somewhat ranges, I do believe player comparisons are so important to help people who don’t get the chance to see these kids play live, have contacts that feed quality direct information or can make a good assessment from some highlight videos. It also helps build excitement in many that only elevates the reason & purpose for this so-called off-season surrogate activity that we take interest in.

Its not just comparisons that are wrong most the time its also the media reports, the phantom drafts and a lot of so-called industry experts are wrong. But it doesn’t matter, 30seconds after the draft pick selection is called that all pre-draft distractive homework really isn’t cognitively archived.

I would welcome more comparisons & feel we should be more created and assess more hybrid comparisons or best case/worst case such as:

Neil Erasmus is hybrid comparison:
Matthew Priddis through the Midfield with the leading patterns and contested marking skills of Jack Gunston

BEST CASE: Matthew Priddis (Taller)
WORST CASE: Hugh Greenwood (at his best)

Good point, can be misleading as well. Maybe it’s just the incorrect comparisons that annoy me. “Experts” that compare every mid over 190 to Bont or Fyfe.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Maybe go watch the footage from his 6 goal haul against the Northern Knights I posted yesterday.

And yes it's crystal clear you've never seen him play.

Crow till I die made a reasonable observation, which didn't require another put-down .....maybe bring it back a notch

 

[Crow till I die]

Crow till I die made a reasonable observation, which didn't require another put-down .....maybe bring it back a notch

All good wayne. I value Mutineers input and he was not having a dig - not that I perceived - just directing me to some extra footage

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Maybe go watch the footage from his 6 goal haul against the Northern Knights I posted yesterday.

And yes it's crystal clear you've never seen him play.

Ha ha, take a shot anyone who's playing the Mutineer draft abuse drinking game!

Right on cue.

*takes shot*

 

[WeedsMullet84]

All good wayne. I value Mutineers input and he was not having a dig - not that I perceived - just directing me to some extra footage

hahaha what? Not a dig??? Geez some have drunk the Kool-Aid around here.

 

[Mutineer]

Crow till I die made a reasonable observation, which didn't require another put-down .....maybe bring it back a notch

LOL you telling me to bring it back a notch.

How many drafts was it again James Rowe went undrafted and when was he ever spoken of in top 10 discussions let alone 1st round contention.

 

[Crow till I die]

hahaha what? Not a dig??? Geez some have drunk the Kool-Aid around here.

well I didn't see the edited part of your post..yep it was a dig as I only got the first sentence and replied to that

Anyway, opinions be like...lets wait till draft night to see how the cards fall and if we take Rachelle, it will be because those in charge have seen thousands of minutes of him more than i have

 

[Big Dub]

Yes they are .....who was the champion small fwd for RICH's 3 flags ?

Luke Bruest absolutely a key cog at Hawks .....and Akermanis was a key to BRIS's flags ......but you'd still have to admit it was the Hawks and Brisbanes midfield stars of Hodge, Rioli, Mitchell, Lewis, Burgoyne, Black, Voss, Power, and Lappin were the prime movers

After Petracca and Oliver, Bayley Fritsch (fwd pocket) was pretty important this year.

There's also no Petracca or Oliver likely at pick 6 this draft. You can only pick from who is there

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Exactly, how many players have been compared to Pendlebury because they are tall and skinny with a bit of a basketball background. None of them have come close

You got to remember that the comparisons are more on style than the actual level of the player . It just helps people that haven’t seen the player picture what good traits the kid is

It’s not saying that the kid will reach same levels

 

[Jeffcrowe]

What do we do if,
Gws take Callaghan
Gold Coast take Rachele

Gibcus come the next best option in my opinion, but not a need

I’d be happy if we took Erasmus or Andrew at this point

 

[DJ75]

I understand it's final look at draftees to see what their conditioning is like , and ball handling skills / kicking

But I agree, given the timing of recent state based combines, not much would have changed

Unless some kid shows up 10 kg overweight, I don't see what it can possibly add.
We all know that skills at training mean absolutely nothing compared to skills in a game. I've known many a superstar on the track who was useless once they hit a game.

Feels a bit like the AFL giving in to a few anxious parents who felt their kids didn't get to show what they can do.

Interviews would be useful for some I'm sure. Not sure the training offers anything.

Anyway, the kids have agreed to do it, so play on I guess.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I genuinely wonder what the point of it is? Is a training session going to swing anyones mind on a draft pick? Surely not??

I think the main purpose is to see how the different kids present physically and also any height changes

interesting for recruiters and clubs but not going to change opinions

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Even though I haven’t got him at best available at pick 4 I’m warming to the idea of us drafting Rachele just so some posters can eat humble pie

some just have the wrong idea of what he brings to the table

 

[BigSchlong9]

FYI Height doesn't mean everything. Midfielders won't win you games when they are kicking it to a pack of spuds up front.

 

[Mutineer]

Even though I haven’t got him at best available at pick 4 I’m warming to the idea of us drafting Rachele just so some posters can eat humble pie

some just have the wrong idea of what he brings to the table

Neither have I but some of the Rachele potting on this board is next level, across the entirety of his junior career he clearly projects as the superior player prospect of his type in this draft and if Hamish thinks he's the best available talent when our pick comes around so be it.

On performance to this point the players that project as elite talents look almost certain to be off the board at our pick (2 not even available) after that it will likely get down to head recruiters preferences for next 5 or 6 picks and there's still going to be a raft of decent prospects after that in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

 

[BigSchlong9]

just have a look atwhat we’ve drafted in since 2017 in the way of mid/small forward type players in the 175-185cm range.

Pedlar 183cm
Berry 182cm
Jones 181cm
Mchenry 179cm
Rowe 173cm
Schoenburg 182cm
Keays 185cm

Pedlar is one season in, yet to be seen what he can really bring to the table
Berry was a bargain get it seems at his spot in the draft
Jones, sure if we picked up Butters instead then height wouldn't be an issue
McHenry, improved a lot this season
Rowe, 1 season in the AFL and can admit he probably leaves a bit to be desired but the fact if he is playing as our small forward every week maybe highlights why Rachele is a bit of a need for us especially in that spot
Schoenberg is a gun
Keays we got for free

 

[CROW in BALI]

Greenwood to the Roo’s , there goes Callaghan , GC can’t pass on him now.