List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Draft, Trade, Free Agency and Academy

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Don’t we have a salary cap limit that any draftee next week will have to fit into so I’m not sure that the $$ is a factor?
The costs of relocating someone from interstate could be a consideration but that’s about it.

I reckon we ought to be looking for a player that could potentially fit in as the 16-22nd best player in a premiership side.
It’s HIGHLY unlikely there are any future AAs in the mid season draft. We need to be realistic. A good solid state league player aged 19-22 with good upside would suit our situation.
 

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Harrison Jones from Essendon was a pretty handy pick at 30 in 2019. Can’t argue with our picks of Serong, Young & Henry but you wouldn’t be disappointed if you had taken him top 10.


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Maybe we just don’t have the dollars to justify taking what is an unlikely shot in the dark. Or, would rather put that money towards retaining Cerra.
Say thanks and goodbye S Hill.
We have lost Neale, B Hill, Hogan, McCarthy, Matera, if we are so short of cash?
Paying Lyon out on his contract, drunken sailors.
 
Exactly. If we'd picked a dud with 2 and 5 you could legitimately question it. But we got two good ones, sure there were other good ones, but you can't get them all
This.

Look, we all would love to have 3 top 10 picks every year, but most drafts you have to make a choice.

We chose to put some good parts in the engine.
 
Say thanks and goodbye S Hill.
We have lost Neale, B Hill, Hogan, McCarthy, Matera, if we are so short of cash?
Paying Lyon out on his contract, drunken sailors.
18 clubs didn't want McCarthy and Matera. Not a great loss.

Hill's been poor since he left Optus (who would have thought?) and Hogan has played 2 games.

List management has been very good.
 
18 clubs didn't want McCarthy and Matera. Not a great loss.

Hill's been poor since he left Optus (who would have thought?) and Hogan has played 2 games.

List management has been very good.

We've been rebuilding for 5 and a half years and are getting carried by a couple of 30+ yr olds in the middle

List management has been a par if you're being very generous


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Maybe we just don’t have the dollars to justify taking what is an unlikely shot in the dark. Or, would rather put that money towards retaining Cerra.
I have no qualms about running a deficit this year & hitting the afl up for bucks like most of the team's in the afl.
It's not like we have been getting any credit for running a tight ship.
 

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5 or 6 years

So we've been average not great not terrible

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2016 we took Logue, Cox, Darcy and Ryan. That's outstanding.
2017 we took Brayshaw and Cerra. Who of Dow, LDU, Stephenson, Clarke or Coffield would you have preferred?
2018 we took Sturt ar pick 17. Injuries aside, he looks a real talent.
2019 we took Young, Serong, Henry and Fredericks. Not sure anyone could complain about that. Serong was the Rising Star winner.

Too early to tell on 2020, but Chapman looked very good before injury,

If that's 'average' you're being unrealistic.
 
The list management decision that has cost us the most wins in the last few years is also the one that will win us far more in the future if it pays off.

Playing Sean Darcy as the #1 ruck when he isn't physically ready.
The thing that has impressed me this year is how he's improved his overall game, not just as a tap ruckman. Kicked 3 against hawks, 8 tackles against Roos 22 possessions against Bombers. He's a more complete player.
 
2016 we took Logue, Cox, Darcy and Ryan. That's outstanding.
2017 we took Brayshaw and Cerra. Who of Dow, LDU, Stephenson, Clarke or Coffield would you have preferred?
2018 we took Sturt ar pick 17. Injuries aside, he looks a real talent.
2019 we took Young, Serong, Henry and Fredericks. Not sure anyone could complain about that. Serong was the Rising Star winner.

Too early to tell on 2020, but Chapman looked very good before injury,

If that's 'average' you're being unrealistic.

Stack them up against other teams and it's just another list of maybe's and we've lost some good players to get them

Solid list of young players I'd say and no real busts has been good , not much firepower is a big cross

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2016 we took Logue, Cox, Darcy and Ryan. That's outstanding.
2017 we took Brayshaw and Cerra. Who of Dow, LDU, Stephenson, Clarke or Coffield would you have preferred?
2018 we took Sturt ar pick 17. Injuries aside, he looks a real talent.
2019 we took Young, Serong, Henry and Fredericks. Not sure anyone could complain about that. Serong was the Rising Star winner.

Too early to tell on 2020, but Chapman looked very good before injury,

If that's 'average' you're being unrealistic.
I agree our drafting has improved, but go back further and it's not good reading, and some of our trading?
We have a gap between our youth and senior players, we will have to be patient and keep nailing our picks.
 
2016 we took Logue, Cox, Darcy and Ryan. That's outstanding.
2017 we took Brayshaw and Cerra. Who of Dow, LDU, Stephenson, Clarke or Coffield would you have preferred?
2018 we took Sturt ar pick 17. Injuries aside, he looks a real talent.
2019 we took Young, Serong, Henry and Fredericks. Not sure anyone could complain about that. Serong was the Rising Star winner.

Too early to tell on 2020, but Chapman looked very good before injury,

If that's 'average' you're being unrealistic.
Yep this is correct. The drafting has been excellent recently. Trading not so much.
We need now to keep all these guys together for the next few years at the club, keep them fit and draft another good talent with our first pick this year and we should be well set up for sustained success, but not until 2023 -2029 I would say. Some of these lads won’t hit their straps till they are 25 years old.
 
I agree our drafting has improved, but go back further and it's not good reading, and some of our trading?
We have a gap between our youth and senior players, we will have to be patient and keep nailing our picks.
I agree, but the poster I was replying to was referring directly to the rebuild, which started in 2016.
 
The thing that has impressed me this year is how he's improved his overall game, not just as a tap ruckman. Kicked 3 against hawks, 8 tackles against Roos 22 possessions against Bombers. He's a more complete player.
He knows his performance against NicFat was where we fell down the most against the Eagles and he has been working far harder since
 
Stack them up against other teams and it's just another list of maybe's and we've lost some good players to get them

Solid list of young players I'd say and no real busts has been good , not much firepower is a big cross

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You're directly referring to the Fremantle rebuild. Not other teams. I've given you 11 players Fremantle have taken at the draft since the rebuild.

All 11 would be in our best 22, which includes an All Australian and a Rising Star winner.

Which ones are the 'list of maybes'? All of them?

Last week Schultz, Switkowski, Henry, Treacy, Lobb and Crowden all played and were acquired from the rebuild. I guess 6 forwards in a win is not much firepower? Perhaps you mean not many tall forwards? 'big cross' is clearly way off though.
 
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You're directly referring to the Fremantle rebuild. Not other teams. I've given you 11 players Fremantle have taken at the draft since the rebuild.

All 11 would be in our best 22, which includes an All Australian and a Rising Star winner.

Which ones are the 'list of maybes'? All of them?

You're changing the argument to drafting not list management

We've also lost a Brownlow medalist a couple of fringe AA level wingers and a handful of rock solid B22 players and done one of the worst trades in the history of the AFL which somehow doesn't fall under the list management purview according to you

But since you asked

Louge - injuries and high cost for production so far

Cerra - no use developing players for other teams

Sturt - serious injury concerns

Henry - high cost for production so far , similar players taken later look just as good or better

Young - injuries and high cost for production so far

Plenty of question marks on that list , some will workout some probably won't

Win some games , play some consistent high level footy then you can go crazy pumping up the list management

Till then you're just wishcasting


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Hawks 15th in 2004
In Hawks rebuild there were 16 teams, Priority picks and no Academy bids.
West Coast won the spoon in 2010
West Coast tanked to win the spoon. There were also Priority Picks and no Academy bids.
Brisbane Lions spoon 2017.
Brisbane were given a Priority Pick by the AFL and some rediculous pampering from the AFL.

Now, how about we compare apples to apples.

How would you say the rebuild is going in comparison to Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon (minus McGrath and Tippa) and St Kilda?
 
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