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[theGav56]

They are still a knock today. I’m not sure what the angst is over missing Naughton. Cerra is a similar talent level - arguably greater.
Naughton smashes packs but he’s no Pavlich is he?
His set shot kicking is nearly as bad as Max Kings at times too.

It’s all rear view mirror speculation. A better move than Naughton (who advertised that he wanted to be in Melbourne) instead of Cerra is to trade down pick 5 and grab a couple of Allen, Powell, Starvevich, Kelly, Taylor or Fritsch. All just meaningless speculation.

 

[Square Peg]

It’s all rear view mirror speculation. A better move than Naughton (who advertised that he wanted to be in Melbourne) instead of Cerra is to trade down pick 5 and grab a couple of Allen, Powell, Starvevich, Kelly, Taylor or Fritsch. All just meaningless speculation.

Exactly. If we'd picked a dud with 2 and 5 you could legitimately question it. But we got two good ones, sure there were other good ones, but you can't get them all

 

[salim malik]

You also thought we should draft Blair Bell and Ryan Bennel. Nobody cares.

No I didn't, that's more of your bullshit
You're full of bile and lies

 

[blue shark]

They are still a knock today. I’m not sure what the angst is over missing Naughton. Cerra is a similar talent level - arguably greater.
Naughton smashes packs but he’s no Pavlich is he?
His set shot kicking is nearly as bad as Max Kings at times too.

Wayne Carey kicked 727 goals in his career, Pavlich 700.
Just think about that if he played in Vic.
We will be lucky to see another Pav in our lifetime in Freo colours.

 

[blue shark]

Exactly. If we'd picked a dud with 2 and 5 you could legitimately question it. But we got two good ones, sure there were other good ones, but you can't get them all

But can we do it better overall? Team balance is rubbish, and we fail to find players in our own backyard.
We missed Kelly, Pickett, Ryan with all 3 available to be rookied.
We could have rookied Collins, Nad, even Callow.
Sure it's hindsight hero talk, but it's also missed opportunity that could of shaped our drafting differently.
Even our best 25 in 25 years team is full of rookies, late picks.

 

[Docker82]

But can we do it better overall? Team balance is rubbish, and we fail to find players in our own backyard.
We missed Kelly, Pickett, Ryan with all 3 available to be rookied.
We could have rookied Collins, Nad, even Callow.
Sure it's hindsight hero talk, but it's also missed opportunity that could of shaped our drafting differently.
Even our best 25 in 25 years team is full of rookies, late picks.

Saying we could’ve rookied Callow isn’t even hindsight talk. He’s shown nothing to prove he’ll make it at AFL level, only that he’s a good state league player for his age. Doesn’t mean it’ll translate to AFL level, in fact 18 sets of AFL recruiters have so far shown they don’t rate him.

 

[blue shark]

Saying we could’ve rookied Callow isn’t even hindsight talk. He’s shown nothing to prove he’ll make it at AFL level, only that he’s a good state league player for his age. Doesn’t mean it’ll translate to AFL level, in fact 18 sets of AFL recruiters have so far shown they don’t rate him.

Yeah you are right, but I'd pay that cost any day of the week. It's a free hit in the scheme of things.
Teams who win draft night, we are still waiting to see those dynasties.

 

[Lach72]

What’s really good for us is that Collingwood’s forward line is complete and utter dog shit, and they have to take Daicos

 

[Joao]

What’s really good for us is that Collingwood’s forward line is complete and utter dog sh*t, and they have to take Daicos

They don't have their pick anyway.

 

[maccamk]

Anyone know what the knock on Greg Clarke from Subi is?


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[Ysaye]

Anyone know what the knock on Greg Clarke from Subi is?


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My response from earlier to that question when Sheriff asked it -

Greg Clark - A tall (193cm) midfielder with good strength, okay endurance but below average speed and agility and average kicking skills which are a bit suspect under pressure. The latter two may have contributed to him never getting drafted in his draft year. Has been putting up some really good possession and tackle numbers this year, although he does not hit the scoreboard that much.

Declan Mountford - previously on the Kangaroo list, Mountford is a 183cm midfielder that has reasonable speed, athleticism and a reasonable, neat kick if not with a huge amount of penetration. Putting up okay numbers this season in the WAFL (just slightly less than 20 possessions again). Co-captain at Claremont. Previous criticism was that he has no outstanding / competitive attribute.

Josh Schoenfeld - A good size (186cm) utility player with above average speed and endurance (he won Gold Coast's time trial runs a number of times), Schoenfeld has racked up possessions this year with a couple of 40+ possession games for East Fremantle as he has moved from wing / defence to the midfield after being cut by Gold Coast.

IMO Josh has probably the best chance of making it again; as he has AFL level traits that recruiters are interested in and is putting in some massive performances. I am not sure that Greg Clark has really addressed the things that saw him not get drafted in the first place and I suspect that they would really hurt at the next level, and I think most recruiters would think that Mountford is not doing enough to warrant doing so.

 

[Scham]

Anyone know what the knock on Greg Clarke from Subi is?


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I’ve never been a fan of his but he’s given Valente an absolute bath today, so either he’s improved or Valente is worse than I thought.

 

[Ysaye]

I’ve never been a fan of his but he’s given Valente an absolute bath today, so either he’s improved or Valente is worse than I thought.

IMO the problem is with Valente - he has days where he just seems to run on the spot. Other days he looks better, but you have to wonder if he is still suffering from groin and other issues that limit his mobility?

 

[edward powlett]

Saying we could’ve rookied Callow isn’t even hindsight talk. He’s shown nothing to prove he’ll make it at AFL level, only that he’s a good state league player for his age. Doesn’t mean it’ll translate to AFL level, in fact 18 sets of AFL recruiters have so far shown they don’t rate him.

Callow played chb for Nth Launcestons league team last year.How many times did you watch him play?
Are you another ststs man?

 

[Docker82]

Callow played chb for Nth Launcestons league team last year.How many times did you watch him play?
Are you another ststs man?

His athleticism is a real worry for AFL recruiters who would’ve seen him play more than anyone on this board including myself.

If I was a ‘stats man’ I’d look at what he’s done this year and want him drafted straight away.

Besides all I said was it isn’t hindsight we should’ve drafted Callow because he hasn’t shown anything at AFL level - that’s just true isn’t it? Ryan Murphy was very impressive at state league level but it didn’t translate.

 

[edward powlett]

His athleticism is a real worry for AFL recruiters who would’ve seen him play more than anyone on this board including myself.

If I was a ‘stats man’ I’d look at what he’s done this year and want him drafted straight away.

Besides all I said was it isn’t hindsight we should’ve drafted Callow because he hasn’t shown anything at AFL level - that’s just true isn’t it? Ryan Murphy was very impressive at state league level but it didn’t translate.

I watched Ryan Murphy many times when I lived in Perth.At no stage did I think he would become an Afl player.
Jackson Callow is 19 yrs old and if you are honest you will admit that you have never seen him play.
We have taken a chance with far worse than him.People talked up Mason Shaw for years.

 

[Docker82]

I watched Ryan Murphy many times when I lived in Perth.At no stage did I think he would become an Afl player.
Jackson Callow is 19 yrs old and if you are honest you will admit that you have never seen him play.
We have taken a chance with far worse than him.People talked up Mason Shaw for years.

My original post only suggested that overlooking a guy who hasn’t played a game at AFL level cannot be considered a mistake in hindsight. It’s the exact opposite - until he plays at AFL level you’re only predicting how he’s going to go.

I don’t think I said that we shouldn’t draft Callow, especially not today. His weaknesses (athleticism) is well known by anyone who followed the draft last year. That doesn’t mean he’s not going to make or shouldn’t be drafted forever.

FWIW I disagree with you massively on Ryan Murphy. Not only did he kill it at WAFL level for half a decade, he looked every bit AFL standard in the second half of 2006. Sure it didn’t work out in the end but let’s give him the little bit of credit he deserves.

 

[blue shark]

I watched Ryan Murphy many times when I lived in Perth.At no stage did I think he would become an Afl player.
Jackson Callow is 19 yrs old and if you are honest you will admit that you have never seen him play.
We have taken a chance with far worse than him.People talked up Mason Shaw for years.

Murphy was a one trick pony, one positioned. As you say Callow has played all down the spine.
Strong hands, contested, and brings others into the game.
Sure he is not an athletic beast, but so what?
Lake, McGovern are not either, but have aggression, marking
in spades.
Lake was a pick in the 70’s, McGovern rookie.
Both would of been speculative picks with the recruiters.

 

[Dockeroo]

If we took Callow next Wednesday with a MSD pick i would be happy enough. We could use cover as a key defender or forward. If he turns out to be no good then what’s the big deal it’s a rookie pick

 

[Scham]

If we took Callow next Wednesday with a MSD pick i would be happy enough. We could use cover as a key defender or forward. If he turns out to be no good then what’s the big deal it’s a rookie pick

If we take someone, I’ll be happy. Our recruiters are good and surely they can at the very least find someone better than the weakest few on our list.

 

[go_the_dockers]

If we take someone, I’ll be happy. Our recruiters are good and surely they can at the very least find someone better than the weakest few on our list.

At least have a crack with two 6 month contract. Little risk other than cash.

 

[blue shark]

If we took Callow next Wednesday with a MSD pick i would be happy enough. We could use cover as a key defender or forward. If he turns out to be no good then what’s the big deal it’s a rookie pick

If we had taken a tall or two previously with a 1st-2nd round pick, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Or taken a few later, etc?
How many other clubs have 2 rookie pick talls playing forward?
Luckily we have Cox, Ryan down back, but our depth is grim.
Giving Hogan away for pick 50, I’d rather see him rot at Peel.

 

[theGav56]

Maybe we just don’t have the dollars to justify taking what is an unlikely shot in the dark. Or, would rather put that money towards retaining Cerra.

 

[Taylor]

We'd be looking for midfielders

 

[Taylor]

Maybe we just don’t have the dollars to justify taking what is an unlikely shot in the dark. Or, would rather put that money towards retaining Cerra.

I don't think it factor into the cap like that