List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Draft, Trade, Free Agency and Academy

[Paracleet]

funny how with few exceptions, humans return to the default position. For this board it is wanting to put most of the eggs in the basket of a Melb mid that has played to date predominantly wing and through half back, even when we have one of the worst scoring forward lines in the comp and having just lost our last Melb mid just when we were starting to need him after 4 years of development. I suppose at least we're consistent or at least predictable.
#ihavefaithinwalls

What board are you reading exactly? Most posters are going for local playets as per normal.

 

[Big Animal]

What board are you reading exactly? Most posters are going for local playets as per normal.

the last couple of days the focus seems to have moved back from goal kickers to going all in to trade up for Callaghan

 

[Van_Dyke]

trading the kitchen sink so we can get callaghan would be bold, you'd ****ing hope that walls and co are supremely confident that he'll stick around

 

[Van_Dyke]

the last couple of days the focus seems to have moved back from goal kickers to going all in to trade up for Callaghan

that talks mostly seen to be as a result of rumours suggesting we want to do that, as opposed to people here truly wanting the club to do it

 

[nurries]

I would rather get a WA boy.
They will stick around and their on going payments will be less as we won’t be competing as hard with VIC clubs and the go home factor

 

[Taylor]

If we did swap;
#6 and #19 for #4 and #33

Then;
#4 and #8 for #2 and #13

The big question would be... do we skip bids on Daicos and Darcy and just take Callaghan? Trading a future pick from Collingwood and the Dogs for our later picks to cash in.

 

[nurries]

If we did swap;
#6 and #19 for #4 and #33

Then;
#4 and #8 for #2 and #13

The big question would be... do we skip bids on Daicos and Darcy and just take Callaghan? Trading a future pick from Collingwood and the Dogs for our later picks to cash in.

I reckon we would bid on them definately just to make our later picks better.

 

[GingerDocker]

Are people seriously suggesting swapping 6, 8 and 19 for 2, 13 and 33?

Just to get a Vic mid at 2?

Unless we have mail that JHF will slide to 2 this is one of the worst suggestions I have ever heard.

We coveted pick 19 a short time ago and now we're just chucking it in on a whim?

Nothing with this makes sense.

 

[Unique Name]

If we want do pick swaps to get Callaghan that's fine. But we need to leave a suitable pick to get Amiss or JVR.

I still think Eramus, Amiss should be the play and hope JVR lasts until 19.

 

[go_the_dockers]

funny how with few exceptions, humans return to the default position. For this board it is wanting to put most of the eggs in the basket of a Melb mid that has played to date predominantly wing and through half back, even when we have one of the worst scoring forward lines in the comp and having just lost our last Melb mid just when we were starting to need him after 4 years of development. I suppose at least we're consistent or at least predictable.
#ihavefaithinwalls

I just want to hit the draft, and not trade away picks on shit players.

I can dream

 

[Taylor]

I reckon we would bid on them definately just to make our later picks better.

Having the option to bid on both Daicos and Darcy with #2 would mean we can make both teams able to save at least 227 points (approximate pick #54)

Pies hold pick #55 & #58 and Dogs hold #52 - neither pick would be needed late if we don't bid.

Pies have 2x future 3rds. Dogs have their full 2022 set.

If we can get hold of a 2nd and a 3rd or 2x 2nds then we can access our future first in trade again and perhaps get hold of Brisbane's #14 or #18 in an exchange.

There's a value there we could look to extract but I haven't quite figured out how to make that work. I know the Pies want to potentially hide picks with other teams and then bring them back after a bid, so we could work that directly if we had pick #2 and North go straight to JHF.

 

[Paracleet]

There are no stand out forward prospects in this draft, face it team. If they were they'd be being talked about as top 6 picks. Rachelle is the highest rated and he is a small. Any tall forward we take in this draft we would just be hoping they turn out to be capable of playing a number 1 role. If Gold Coast and GWS present us with an opportunity of landing a top midfield prospect because they want to make needs picks, and we can do it because we happen to have turned cap space into a free pick 19 giving us the cips to trade up and still have 2 first rounders, we should take it.

Personally I think it won't happen and we'll end up taking 6 and 8 to the draft.

 

[eastfreo75]

funny how with few exceptions, humans return to the default position. For this board it is wanting to put most of the eggs in the basket of a Melb mid that has played to date predominantly wing and through half back, even when we have one of the worst scoring forward lines in the comp and having just lost our last Melb mid just when we were starting to need him after 4 years of development. I suppose at least we're consistent or at least predictable.
#ihavefaithinwalls

Scoring isn't all the forward line.

Entry into F50 can make or break a forward.

 

[Midnite65]

Western is an unknown. The other players are all battlers and none are very good at being a small forward. I don't have any in my best 22, and I personally would have delisted a few of them for list balance (reduce the number of short people). Rachele projects to be a way better player than all of them. We only have one good small forward on our list (Walters), and he is almost done.

Our list needs a small forward, medium forward, tall forwards and tall midfielders. Drafting any of these types of players makes sense, and perhaps the best option is to get one of each (with a tall mid that can double as a medium forward). For example, Rachele + Amiss/Andrew and then there should be a few taller mids available at our 3rd pick.

Agree with your 4 needs our list needs, it is just they are in the wrong order....tall forward and tall midfielder are the first and second needs.

 

[Torree]

If we miss out on Motlop (which I’m expecting we will) I hope they consider Jahmal Stretch. He’d be great to bring in to develop alongside Benning and has potential to be a very exciting small forward option.

 

[Midnite65]

If we did swap;
#6 and #19 for #4 and #33

Then;
#4 and #8 for #2 and #13

The big question would be... do we skip bids on Daicos and Darcy and just take Callaghan? Trading a future pick from Collingwood and the Dogs for our later picks to cash in.

We have two top 10 picks, it would be typical Dockers for us to trade them to get only 1 player who knowing our 25 years of luck would end up a worse player than the other two we could have drafted.

 

[wakojako]

Are people seriously suggesting swapping 6, 8 and 19 for 2, 13 and 33?

Just to get a Vic mid at 2?

Unless we have mail that JHF will slide to 2 this is one of the worst suggestions I have ever heard.

We coveted pick 19 a short time ago and now we're just chucking it in on a whim?

Nothing with this makes sense.

Callaghan has all the attributes we are looking for in a mid. He is the best possible investment into our future with Fyfe, Walters and Mundy becoming injury prone and getting old. Name a better draft haul than Callaghan (2) and JVR (13).

 

[rgauci]

Just go ****ing nuts

6 and 19 into 4 and 33

4 and 8 into 2 and 13

2 and future 1st into - 1 and future 2nd, and future 3rd

JHF (1), JVR (13) and hope our rebuild is complete.

PS the eggs all in the one basket is a disaster, I don’t advocate for this at all.

 

[wakojako]

Just go ******* nuts

6 and 19 into 4 and 33

4 and 8 into 2 and 13

2 and future 1st into - 1 and future 2nd, and future 3rd

JHF (1), JVR (13) and hope our rebuild is complete.

PS the eggs all in the one basket is a disaster, I don’t advocate for this at all.

Man Bell has been real quiet since this post dropped.

 

[GingerDocker]

Callaghan has all the attributes we are looking for in a mid. He is the best possible investment into our future with Fyfe, Walters and Mundy becoming injury prone and getting old. Name a better draft haul than Callaghan (2) and JVR (13).

My fear is we trade a lot away to get a Vic metro mid.

He could be an absolute jet and have a 12 year career at Freo. I'd love for this to happen, but a lot has to go right for this to occur.

The alternative is he is not a jet (same could be said with any draftee) or wants to go home in the short/medium term. If I'm a bookie, the odds I'm offering are shorter for the second scenario.

Paying more for a less likely outcome is very risky. I'll back Walls in, as I reckon he knows his shit, but even the most optimistic observer would say it's a "balls on the line" play.

 

[freo99]

Callaghan has all the attributes we are looking for in a mid. He is the best possible investment into our future with Fyfe, Walters and Mundy becoming injury prone and getting old. Name a better draft haul than Callaghan (2) and JVR (13).

Erasmus 6 (8)
JVR. 13 (15)
Goater or Johnson 15 (17)
Bazzo or Sheldrick 23 (25)
Trade 19 (21) for F1
Benning whenever

 

[Sewell21]

One of the key issues that we will need to address in getting back into the 2022 draft. At the moment we have 1st and 4th round picks only. Our 2021 pick 19 will be the key this. Ideally pick 19’s trade value is something like a 2021 2nd + 2022 2nd.

The biggest complication in this is that the point at where pick 19 has maximum value available is after the end of the first nights draft. This is where clubs will be able to re-review their boards and see the slider that they want and want to pay overs.

So we need to hold 19 overnight, and not get sucked into fixating on a slider ourselves and use the pick. To do this whilst minimising risk, meeting our key needs before the end of round 1 will be the correct pla.

Brisbane’s 14 + 18 would be ideal for this strategy. I would think that a swap of 6 for 14 + 18 might not be enough, but a swap of 2022 1st picks might swing it. So 6 + F1 for 14, 18 + F1 might be the right deal.

If we could pull this off we would have 8, 14, 18, 19, 61 going into draft day. On draft night we go as follows;

8 (10): Erasmus/Rachel/NWM/Amiss
14 (16): Johnson/JVR/Goater
18 (20): JVR/Goater/Motlop/Butler/Hough/Sheldrick

Overnight we trade pick 19(21) for Sydney’s pick 31 + F2 (using Sydney, plus StK and Port below as realistic example cases).

Go into Day 2 with 31 + 61 but then trade 31 for St Kilda’s or Port’s F2, and pick up something 60+. We then have the 2 picks in the 60s remaining for project players/NGA matching.

This should meet our 2021 draft needs and leave us with the following for 2022;

F1 (Brisbane)
F2 (Sydney)
F2 (St Kilda or Port)
F4

We then pop our collars, pour ourselves a cool beverage of choice, lay back and dream of round 1.

 

[freo99]

Brisbane’s 14 + 18 would be ideal for this strategy. I would think that a swap of 6 for 14 + 18 might not be enough,

More than enough

 

[Tbonefreo]

Jesus it's hard being a freo supporter.

I expect Goater

Willmot

Something like that

 

[Puregold]

I think we will be attempting to make a deal on each night of the draft
DAy 1 - trade down pick 6 or 8 to someone like Richmond for 15 and a future 2nd (tied to NM would be nice)
Day 2 - trade 19 and a future 2nd to Geelong for their future first and 22.