List Mgmt. 2021 NAB National AFL Draft

[Lore]

Scuse the intrusion folks. Thought you might like to have this resource in your thread

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare

Just rewatched the VM v VC game from earlier in the year.I’d love to know your thoughts on on these two guys:

•Paul Curtis (Western Jets/Vic Metro, 183cm, 73kg)

•Ben De Bolfo (Northern Knights/Vic Metro, 188.9cm, 86kg)

They both really impressed me.

Curtis with his creativeness and elusiveness up forward. Ben De Bolfo with his intercept game and precise kicking.

They both got invited to the national draft combine, so they must be relatively highly rated by the clubs. Even though no one is talking about them on Big Footy.

They're not likely to be early picks and they could be available late/rookie, and in that range I'd class both as suitable for consideration.

Curtis is a good marking target and can be a threat i50 on his better days but lacking in the way of contested capabilities at this stage to be a consistent footballer.

De Bolfo can intercept well though he's one of those where it would be great if he were key defence height. He's also a year older, so while he's good compared to a number of those eligible this year, you do have to reduce down your projection slightly.

 

[partypie]

he isn't? Odd, given that no more sanfl finals for him. Does he think he is too good to play with those his own age now? lol

After playing SANFL seniors all year and his performance in the prelim he really has nothing more to gain or prove to recruiters by playing one more rep game against U18 opposition, but he does have everything to lose if he happens to get injured whilst doing so.

I don't think this (JHF not playing this final rep game) would be a surprise to anyone, especially after two fairly highly rated prospects did exactly that (pick up an injury) in the GF curtain raiser.

 

[PMBangers]

Personally I quite like Patrick Voss as a key back option. Plays with a real physicality even though he’s small for a key back. Not too dissimilar to a player like Steven May.

But he is a Gws academy/zone player so they could match any bid.

We'll only have the 3 list spots for National Draft picks which will be 2, 13 and Fahey, so if he's bid on the the National Draft then the club bidding will get him, which is disappointing for us

 

[Scodog10]

I find it quaint to refer to our deficit before a bid has even been received. We can’t carry in a debt we don’t have!

Very true! Unfortunately it’s my default position because Daicos is the best kid in the draft, IMO, and I can’t see myself shifting that mindset until North or GWS pass.

 

[Jen2310]

We'll only have the 3 list spots for National Draft picks which will be 2, 13 and Fahey, so if he's bid on the the National Draft then the club bidding will get him, which is disappointing for us

yeah I know how much you liked him in the games he has played for the chargers.

 

[PMBangers]

yeah I know how much you liked him in the games he has played for the chargers.

I was starting to get worried he'd kill a kid with a stiff arm

 

[Pie 4 Life]

My feel based on what’s now coming out is that we’ll carry our current deficit into the draft. Then as you pointed out we’ll have trades lined up depending on different scenarios. If a bid comes at 1 we move say a future 3rd for GC’s, if a bid comes at 2 we move a future 4th for Brisbane’s etc.

I did like Curtis that day. He had some tricks! I’m curious about Rentsch and whether he played because I don’t remember him being out there? Good size and he’s just taken out the NAB league B&F like Callow I think there’ll be a knock on his ability to improve at the top level.

Also Pie 4 Life what’s the knock on Trudgeon? Pace? Size? Skill? Those tackle numbers are insane at that level and I dare say the best ever recorded?

Trudgeon is one of those Jack of all trades but really lacks that hurt factor. He’s big, strong, can play inside mid or be a marking forward, but largely an accumulator with a defensive mindset. Think Rupert Wills with a bit more scoreboard impact. Could he make it to AFL? Absolutely. Could he end up the fans’ whipping boy? Yep. A rookie pick for mine and that’s reflected in the lack of a combine invite.

 

[Rusty Beam]

We'll only have the 3 list spots for National Draft picks which will be 2, 13 and Fahey, so if he's bid on the the National Draft then the club bidding will get him, which is disappointing for us

In that case I hope we steal him from you with our likely late picks . Especially since he is a Chargers boy and they may as well be our feeder club.

What’s your thoughts on Curtis and De Bolfo?

De Bolfo appeals to me as we need to start planning to replace Howe in the medium intercept marking area.

Off limited vision Curtis seems like a lesser version of Rachelle (particularly in the kicking department), but still is dangerous around goals.

 

[PMBangers]

In that case I hope we steal him from you with our likely late picks . Especially since he is a Chargers boy and they may as well be our feeder club.

What’s your thoughts on Curtis and De Bolfo?

De Bolfo appeals to me as we need to start looking planning to replace Howe in the medium intercept marking area.

Off limited vision Curtis seems like lesser version of Rachelle, but still is dangerous around goals.

And what a feeder club it is to have.

I'm not high on De Bolfo, think there's plenty of better options in a similar role around the country, but I also just expect a lot more from 19-year-old players at U18's level. Without doing too much thinking or checking my lists, there'd be quite a few guys spoken about even less that I think would be better options, even Luke Cleary I think offers more offensively and the same amount in defense.

Curtis I struggle with, he's more of a small marking target than a traditional small from my viewing, not great at crumbing/ front and centres which I value highly in my small forwards, inconsistent goal kicking and can fade in and out of games. However I think if he live up to his full potential he could play a Charlie Cameron style role, anywhere from 30 onwards is suitable for him imo

 

[Harry O]

I was starting to get worried he'd kill a kid with a stiff arm

He was like a man playing under 14’s when playing for Wesley

 

[PMBangers]

He was like a man playing under 14’s when playing for Wesley

I like looking at our academy boy at Wesley and Oakleigh this year in 194 cm Voss, and then comparing him to the one for next year in 174 cm Angus Curry

 

[jonbe54]

He was like a man playing under 14’s when playing for Wesley

for his sake he translates that into the big time - many man childs haven't

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Rusty Beam]

And what a feeder club it is to have.

I'm not high on De Bolfo, think there's plenty of better options in a similar role around the country, but I also just expect a lot more from 19-year-old players at U18's level. Without doing too much thinking or checking my lists, there'd be quite a few guys spoken about even less that I think would be better options, even Luke Cleary I think offers more offensively and the same amount in defense.

Curtis I struggle with, he's more of a small marking target than a traditional small from my viewing, not great at crumbing/ front and centres which I value highly in my small forwards, inconsistent goal kicking and can fade in and out of games. However I think if he live up to his full potential he could play a Charlie Cameron style role, anywhere from 30 onwards is suitable for him imo

Thanks. Interesting that they both got national combine invites then. Shifter seemed to be quite keen on Curtis in the commentary.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Thanks. Interesting that they both got national combine invites then. Shifter seemed to be quite keen on Curtis in the commentary.

Is there any record of Shifter saying a bad word about any draftees?

The bloke would rate an Onkar Judge like performance on X Factor with a.. 'yes.. you're through to the next round re'.. forget about it mate.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Smoocher]

JHF has told the media multiple times he set himself the goal of being the number 1 draft pick and would love to achieve that goal

Nothing surer than my club taking JHF at 1. The kid has made it clear in several interviews he wants and thrives on that pressure.

His finals series consolidated the opinion of many that North will give him that wish.


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[Harry O]

Nothing surer than my club taking JHF at 1. The kid has made it clear in several interviews he wants and thrives on that pressure.

His finals series consolidated the opinion of many that North will give him that wish.


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I hope so. It will make matching the eventual bid a little easier and might even give us a second pick in the 25-50 range

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Looks Sudanese. I wonder how he ended up with the name Mac Andrew.

Probably to save himself having to repeat his name 100 times for Anglo-Saxon that refused to comprehend his real name?

 

[Quicky]

With the points we've lost because of FA compensation picks, does anyone know which pick we get Daicos with no deficit?

 

[Jen2310]

With the points we've lost because of FA compensation picks, does anyone know which pick we get Daicos with no deficit?

Maybe Pick 4

 

[Jen2310]

It will be 20 years next month since Geelong used pick 40 in the 2001 national draft to add Gary Ablett jnr to their list as a father-son after using the three picks before him on Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly

James Kelly

Age

41

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.8

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

10.5

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

5.6

5star

MG

273.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

20.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

6.8

5star

and Steve Johnson.

The father-son rule that year allowed clubs to make one father-son selection in the third round, giving Geelong the chance to make three era-defining picks before selecting Ablett, who, in truth, would have probably only attracted a second-round bid under today’s rules before becoming one of the game’s greats.

Now, of course, the potential advantages inherent in gaining a father-son prospect have been reduced with clubs allowed to bid on other clubs’ father-son prospects at the draft pick that they think reflects the player’s standing in the draft.

That reality has tempered - to some extent - the excitement Collingwood supporters feel about landing Nick Daicos, the son of club legend Peter and brother of fan favourite Josh, in this year’s national draft.


Everyone knows that either North Melbourne, Greater Western Sydney or Gold Coast will make a bid on the precocious Oakleigh Chargers’ midfielder at pick one, two or three, meaning the Magpies will need to pay close to full tote odds for the 18-year-old born on January 3.

The good news for Collingwood fans is that Magpies football manager Graham Wright has guaranteed, on AFL Trade Radio, that the club would match the bid for Daicos wherever it comes, having committed to doing so when they announced his desire to follow in his dad’s black-and-white footsteps in August.

“We have got to prepare ourselves for the worst there and try to get points in and how we do that is going to be interesting in the next few weeks and leading into the draft,” Wright said.

It is a conundrum they face with the Western Bulldogs who, for the second year running, will need to match an early bid when opposition clubs select Sam Darcy, son of former Bulldogs ruckman and media personality, Luke, in the first five selections.

To claim Daicos, Collingwood have to use draft picks to match the number of points minus a discount allocated to the selection where the bid arrives that is found on what is called the AFL draft value index.


This is where life becomes complicated for all but the most devoted football tragic with a double degree in nuclear physics and mathematics.

If North Melbourne bid on him with the pick one they have earmarked for South Adelaide’s Jason Horne-Francis, then Collingwood will need to stump up 2400 points to match the bid.

That figure is arrived at because under the index, pick one is allocated 3000 points but, after the 20 per cent discount is given for father-son selections, that figure becomes 2400. At pick two, they need to find 2014 points, at pick three, 1787 points and at pick four, 1627 points and so on.


Having drafted out their first-round selection in last year’s draft to the Giants (now pick two), they have been left with picks 36, 39, 41 and 45 which totals 1707 points right now, but will become less as compensation to Richmond, Adelaide and Carlton for Mabior Chol

18

Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

, Jake Kelly

29

Jake Kelly

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

157.8

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

104.1

2star

D

14.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.2

5star

MG

107.0

2star

and George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

sits in the middle of those picks.

With the Bulldogs’ Patrick Lipinski

1

Patrick Lipinski

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

10.2

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

18.3

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

11.3

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.3

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.2

4star

and Geelong’s Nathan Kreuger coming through the door, too, they will expend further draft capital - albeit they hope to only use late third-round picks or future picks on those players - before any bid comes for Daicos.
That means some juggling to ensure they don’t have to dip into next year’s draft to find the points for Daicos.
Collingwood plan to trade in other clubs’ selections that currently sit in the third and fourth round of the 2021 national draft if points are required, with the Magpies able to either hand over future second- or third-round picks, or trade one of their third-round picks for a package of later picks other clubs hold later in the national draft that carry more points when combined.
With list spots tight, such picks will be available, but to make those trades the Magpies need a vacant list spot for each pick they gain in the 2021 national draft, one of the reasons half-a-dozen uncontracted players remain in purgatory during the trade period.


The Bulldogs, who have pick 17, having held on to this year’s first pick after accumulating enough points to land Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (a next generation academy graduate) in 2020, are reportedly eyeing off Richmond’s picks in the 20s in exchange for pick 17 in what would be a win-win trade to land Darcy.

The Bulldogs’ timing has been impeccable as they would not have been able to match a bid for Ugle-Hagan under this year’s new rules relating to academies, where clubs can’t claim priority access to a graduate if they are selected between picks one and 20 this season, which will extend to picks 1-40 in 2022. This change will deny Melbourne their graduate Mac Andrew this season.

But Daicos is the player all eyes will be on, as the Magpies attempt to systematically work their way through the conundrum between the opening of trade period on Monday and the national draft on November 24 to land a special talent with a name that is music to Collingwood fans’ ears.

Get out the calculators: How Collingwood land son of a gun Nick Daicos

Collingwood face a juggling act to land father-son prospect Nick Daicos, as well as trade in Nathan Kreuger and Patrick Lipinski, but they are confident they will have enough points to match a bid.

www.theage.com.au

 

[jamieb1983]

Would definately be keen on Jacob Van Rooyen if we get back into the draft.
Pretty good set shot and mark.
He wont make it past freo and eagles late 20’s picks though.


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[Gabbo64]

Just a thought on the draft, there is too much scope to influence the draft by picking a father son prospect just to make it harder (or spite) for the destination club to get their man. I don't think this is in the spirit of the draft. How to solve this?? Change the rules. If a club picks a father son and it is matched by the destination club, then the club who made the selection drops back one spot thus risking the player they really want. Simples!

 

[lenny&carl]

Probably to save himself having to repeat his name 100 times for Anglo-Saxon that refused to comprehend his real name?

Welcome to foreign countries.