List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

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Heaps of fun said:
That's basically like trading 32 year old Tarrant for 22 year old CCJ. They can go ahead.
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Its not just me who thinks this or this and a swap of later picks is the way to go about it?
 
krakouers85 said:
Its not just me who thinks this or this and a swap of later picks is the way to go about it?
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I’d say so, I’d doubt it’d go nuclear
 

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RobZombie said:
And if we got 39 for Taz we’d probably end up giving it to Richmond for CCJ. So for us, Taz FA vs straight swap for CCJ is effectively neutral. For them, Taz FA is worse as it costs them the Chol compo and risks us using the PSD.

Straight swap is the sensible option for all concerned.
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Depends on RFC putting their ego to bed long enough to get a sensible deal done. Can they accept one of their promising kids wanting to go to a "minnow " club?

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krakouers85 said:
Its not just me who thinks this or this and a swap of later picks is the way to go about it?
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I bet thats what we are asking for.
maybe a late pick like 69 we are not going to use otherwise.
Its going to be a pick with about 20% success rate either way.
ie not much.
 
the Ziebull said:
Tarrant is a free agent so they could just take him for free now but it could dilute their compo so yes they could also take him PSD but I doubt we care

in that situation we’d take CCJ PSD also so it’s effectively CCJ for Taz
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Don't free agents offered contracts have to go to the main draft?
 
 
Rooboys Rool said:
Couldn't Richmond also use the PSD threat against us, saying they'll walk Taz there if we don't play ball on the CCJ trade?

I think the whole dynamics around Taz to Richmond vs CCJ to us will centre around whether or not Richmond's offer for Taz will net us a compensation pick.
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They need us to trade Taz to protect their potential Chol compo. He is a FA so he can walk without the PSD.
 

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ferball said:
They need us to trade Taz to protect their potential Chol compo. He is a FA so he can walk without the PSD.
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Once the 8th of October comes around Richmond will just take him as a FA.
They wont take the chance on picking him up in the draft.
Thats when the FA window closes. If North are refusing to trade him he will go on the 8th as a FA.
If Taz is involved in a trade it will happen before the 8th.
Richmond can only play ''hard ball' so long.
 
We need to take three picks in this draft. We should use the lowest picks we have available in that case and not trade them. Its pretty simple really.
 
King Corey said:
Unusual situation. Caveat emptor?
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If there is any chance of playing, Noble should bring him over like he did with CC to the Lions.
 
giantroo said:
If there is any chance of playing, Noble should bring him over like he did with CC to the Lions.
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I’m not sure and it’s the risk with small forwards he has skills but also goes missing a lot I mean if he was keen to play, move to melbs, we could shake a low pick for him.

I get that small fwd is a need but I think we look to the draft for it , I mean we have tried drafting Mahony and Spicer but they aren’t the flashy weightman types. I mean if we can acquire him for a nominal pick sure have a shot but i feel the desperation for a small fwd leads to otherwise average players being coveted
 
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Carlton is set to hand over a second draft pick in addition to pick 6 to land Adam Cerra.

The Herald Sun understands Cerra will officially pick Carlton as his club of choice in the next 48 hours despite Melbourne’s strong recent interest.

The Demons had always been keen to land Cerra, a move which prompted the Dockers to ask for Luke Jackson as part of a potential deal.
Jackson is going nowhere, but players like Angus Brayshaw and James Harmes, who could have been parts of a swap, are now premiership heroes who are untouchable.

So Carlton will be able to broker a deal that will require them to again hand over a top-10 pick after giving up pick 8 for Adam Saad last year.

The Dockers will demand another selection as well as pick 6, and will likely secure it after strong early talks between the two parties.

The No.6 pick will filter back to pick eight after father-son bids for Sam Darcy and Nick Daicos, and will come in a draft that has three or four standouts then perhaps a dozen even players in a bunch from picks five onwards.

The Dockers will be taking a player who has played as few as six official games in the past two seasons if they take a Victorian in that part of the draft.

While WA and SA-based players have barely been affected by Covid, most Victorian teens have played such little football the draft could be a lottery.

If the Blues were taking Cerra in the draft they would be prepared to use pick 3 or 4 so clearly will have to hand over more than the pick which will secure the eighth-best player in the draft.

That pick could be a later selection in this year’s draft or a future pick, with Fremantle keen to go to the draft as well as secure Geelong’s Jordan Clark.

Carlton’s draft hand this year is 6, 25 and 61, but they would be reluctant to give up both 6 and 25 for Cerra.

Most clubs who have secured ready-made talents of Cerra’s calibre have given up a first-rounder and a second-rounder, or two first-rounders and secured a second-rounder back.

Cerra at 21 is set to record another strong best-and-fairest finish in the Doig Medal on Saturday night after finishing equal third alongside Andrew Brayshaw last year.

Melbourne’s chase for Cerra, who is best mates with Demon Ed Langdon, would also have been tough from a salary cap perspective.

Luke Jackson, out of contract next season, has suddenly becomes one of the hottest commodities in football after his exceptional Grand Final.

The Demons will have to find cap space for him and Bailey Fritsch, who is also out of contract next year, with West Coast sure to make inquiries given Nic Naitanui is coming to the end of his career.

Clark set to walk away from Cats

Geelong’s last-ditch efforts to keep Jordan Clark will come up short as Fremantle prepares to offer a mid-20s selection for the contracted Cats wingman.

Clark is set for key meetings with the Cats this week, having already spoken about his desire for a move in his exit meeting.

It is understood senior Cats figures including coach Chris Scott and chief executive Steve Hocking have contacted him in the past week to assess whether he would remain at the club.

But he is expected to officially ask for a trade, with the Cats already fully aware of his intention to move to Fremantle.

Departing defensive coach Matthew Scarlett was reluctant to play him in his backline at times which left Clark feeling it would be extremely difficult to break into the team.

The Herald Sun reported on Monday the Cats were prepared to let him go for a pick in between Fremantle’s first and second-round selections – 8 and 27 – to release him from his contract.

Fremantle’s view is that the No.15 draft pick in the 2018 national draft is worth a pick around the early 20s after an 18-game debut season but only 14 games in the past two years.

And given clubs can easily interchange picks with a series of complicated pick swaps, moving up from 27 to a slightly earlier pick would be easy enough.

It would allow the Dockers to take pick 8 and Carlton’s No.6 selection to the national draft to bolster their exciting playing stocks.

Rory Lobb told the club in his exit meeting he had no intention of asking for a trade despite speculation about his future.

If a Melbourne suitor had emerged he might have been keen to assess whether he could find a way to Victoria, but given his $700,000-a-year salary and age (28) he will almost certainly stay put.

If Geelong was able to secure a pick at around 20 for Clark, the Cats would have picks 30, 32, 34, 52 plus the Clark pick and a later selection for Nathan Kreuger, who is likely to land at Collingwood.

The Cats handed over pick 42 to Carlton for SANFL player Kreuger three years ago to select him as a state-league player after the Blues were handed access to several state-league talents as part of an AFL assistance package.

They believe having given him three years of coaching and development he is ready to blossom so will be reluctant to let him go for a pick later than 42.
 
giantroo said:
If there is any chance of playing, Noble should bring him over like he did with CC to the Lions.
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Heaps of fun said:
Injured and unmotivated? Where do we sign?
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HoF kind of covers it. A kid on his home turf in WA at a strong club doesn't have his heart in it (assumedly), we'd have to do one hell of a jolt to his motivation to get him up and running for a wooden spoon team on the other side of the country.

That's said from afar though I know next to nothing of his circumstances.
 
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