List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


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List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[gringo2011]

That's exactly the same as we did with our recruiting in 2019 when we traded in Hill, Butler and Jones and drafted Byrnes.

I find it funny that you list those guys as fast but the ones I listed aren't.

No point arguing I guess.

We don't have much line breaking pace apart from Jones. That's why I don't understand losing Hind, he was a proper high speed line breaker.

 

[bird_man]

We don't have much line breaking pace apart from Jones. That's why I don't understand losing Hind, he was a proper high speed line breaker.

There aren't that many of those types in every team. I wouldn't call most of the guys you said had pace at Melbourne line breaking.

I think that has a lot to do with where you are playing on the ground to get that label tbh. It's mostly half backs or sometimes mids. Hill definitely looked line breaking coming off half back to me.

Yes, we made a mistake with Hind, but we aren't allowed to mention that.

Apparently we will draft a quick half back this year with our first, hopefully that cheers you up

 

[Rors]

He is quick.

probably the worst pair of hands I have ever seen though. Literally, I get surprised when he marks one

Agree. Both aerial & ground - its like he swapped the grippo for baby oil

 

[Omin]

There aren't that many of those types in every team. I wouldn't call most of the guys you said had pace at Melbourne line breaking.

I think that has a lot to do with where you are playing on the ground to get that label tbh. It's mostly half backs or sometimes mids. Hill definitely looked line breaking coming off half back to me.

Yes, we made a mistake with Hind, but we aren't allowed to mention that.

Apparently we will draft a quick half back this year with our first, hopefully that cheers you up

To be fair if you look at a best 22 I struggle to see whos spot Hind takes. He was always depth, good depth but thats all.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

If they cant play alongside Marshall, then there is no point playing them at all because Marshall would be better than them playing as the sole ruck.

Then we would be finding a VFL ruck to play incase of emergencies.

I'd be perfectly happy if we had a starting ruck spending 70% of the game rucking with Marshall playing 60% forward, 30% ruck and 10% bench.

Just because Smith hasn't flourished as a backup ruck doesn't mean he can't work well with a capable forward/ruck like Marshall

 

[bird_man]

To be fair if you look at a best 22 I struggle to see whos spot Hind takes. He was always depth, good depth but thats all.

It's been discussed enough here so we'll just agree to disagree mate.

 

[Yawkey way]

It's fine but I'd like more speed, I think we have a bad combo, messy skills, poor fitness and lack of speed out of the middle.

I’d really like some height, speed and skill out on the wing.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I’d really like some height, speed and skill out on the wing.

Coff is the man

 

[bird_man]

I’d really like some height, speed and skill out on the wing.

Sticking Coff on the wing might teach him to start using his pace a bit more

 

[Bill Mohr]

Thats why im suprised we havent offered a contract to Kent

I'll bite....why would you offer a contract to kent? The side is trying to improve - not go backwards. Out with kent, Lonie, Geary and Long. These blokes are too small, or to slow or just not good enough. Imagine the grin on the opposition players face having to play on one of those players....

 

[stavro#4]

Coff is the man

Sticking Coff on the wing might teach him to start using his pace a bit more

Or the game passes him by entirely.

I just don’t see a midfielder in coff.

I see more a Luke Hodge that needs to learn to dominate as a back half general.

 

[prophetic1]

Sticking Coff on the wing might teach him to start using his pace a bit more

Yes damn it! Get the whip out!

 

[bird_man]

Or the game passes him by entirely.

I just don’t see a midfielder in coff.

I see more a Luke Hodge that needs to learn to dominate as a back half general.

I definitely don't see him making it on the inside as a mid, but I think hes clearly got the attributes to play on the wing. It's just whether he could learn to use them.

Half back is definitely his best role though, I've got no doubt about that.

 

[Bill Mohr]

You need your eyes tested , You don't think Kent is fast OMG

How come he cant get a kick then

 

[bird_man]

Great for Tom that he’s gotten all of those individual achievements at the club - all the while our midfield is a mess at times because we have too many of the same type of midfielder and lack x-factor in the middle. Hence why losing him may be a blessing in disguise -
Our midfield could have looked one-paced because of how poorly it was performing.
Post bye, it and the team performed better. Add Nash and Jai and perhaps another and I think we will be better again.
Mitch gets more possessions than anyone. Not easy to replace.

Yes damn it! Get the whip out!

Am I the only one wondering what this post is about?

 

[prophetic1]

Am I the only one wondering what this post is about?

sorry i accidently included a bit about Tom MITCHELL that i was researching regarding the fact that different club with similar questions about midfield but it had nothing to do with COFF or your post....i corrected it now...apologies..the whip bit just a light hearted one liner re COFF.
Those lines above were Hawthorn posters that had formed that opinion about their midfield and loosing Tom MITCHELL and I couldn't help but see a similarity in the loss of say DUNSTAN and the sameness of our midfield and how we need that extra pace and skill execution upon acquisition/extraction.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Am I the only one wondering what this post is about?

Tom Nash and Jai - Hawforn

 

[Bill Mohr]

Sticking Coff on the wing might teach him to start using his pace a bit more

C'mon Bird........How does that work? A player who is not quick as shown in his previous games all of a sudden gets faster because he is put on the wing. How do you teach someone to use their pace when they change positions? Why wasnt he using his pace on the HBF if he had any? So is he another of our quick players? Jeez , some of our players are getting around in disguise, making out they are slow but are actually quick......In one forum page they have gone from plodders to the quickest team in the land........

 

[Premium]

So Jones is our only quick player?

Right...

But there mids are like Usain Bolt - Viney , Brayshaw , Oliver , Pettracca , Langdon , Harmes they might want Dunstan for outside run he could most probably keep up to them.

All teams look fast when they win.

Melbourne are running hot and I expect them to win the flag but having 4 or 5 quick players in the team doesn't make them quick.
Bullen , Spargo , Salem , Bowey , Pickett (no game changes here except Pickett)- what makes them quick is there midfield win the ball and create overlap - beat them in clearance's it will be a different matter.

● Ranked 1st in Team to Opponent Hitouts Per Game Diff.
● Ranked 1st in Tackles Per Game
● Ranked 1st in Hitouts Per Game
● Ranked 2nd in Inside 50s Per Game
● Ranked 4th in Clearances Per Game
● Ranked 3rd in Kicks Per Game
● Ranked 3rd in Disposals Per Game

To me Oliver the game changer for them
● Ranked 1st in Total Contested Possessions
● Ranked 1st in Total Stoppage Clearances
● Ranked 6th in Total Effective Disposals
● Ranked 2nd in Total Clearances
● Ranked 4th in Total Centre Clearances

Then add on Petracca
● Ranked 7th in Total Contested Possessions
● Ranked 7th in Total Clearances ● Ranked 11th in Total Time On Ground %
● Ranked 5th in Total Centre Clearances

and of Gawn

 

[Premium]

I'd say he's our only really noticeably fast player who actually puts it on the park. Guys that are quick and don't use it aren't quick. Guys like Howard are quick for their size but a lot of our pace isn't utilised. Kent is supposed to be a fast player but looks stodgy. Butler can get away from players but he needs to wind up. You are better to use the ball quick any way. I think Snags is slow of foot but quick of mind and I'd take him over Butler any day.

Membrey was mentioned to be one of our quickest over short distance , it's just a pity when he takes a mark he usually stops and never uses it.

The thing is if the win the ball and use it well , it will make any player look fast - this what made Diesel Williams and a guy like Barry Cable so good - they won the ball and dished it off to a player in a good position and they were far from fast.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Membrey was mentioned to be one of our quickest over short distance , it's just a pity when he takes a mark he usually stops and never uses it.

The thing is if the win the ball and use it well , it will make any player look fast - this what made Diesel Williams and a guy like Barry Cable so good - they won the ball and dished it off to a player in a good position and they were far from fast.

Would'nt say it made them look fast. Those 2 you mentioned are 2 of the most skilful players who ever got on the park who were brilliant handballers. The general topic is a player who has a either a quick burst of speed or who can maintain good ground speed for the majority of a game. Two differnt things altogether.

 

[Premium]

It's fine but I'd like more speed, I think we have a bad combo, messy skills, poor fitness and lack of speed out of the middle.

Winning the ball and ball use were the major problems - fitness I don't know but they would surely know from GPS data.

 

[bird_man]

C'mon Bird........How does that work? A player who is not quick as shown in his previous games all of a sudden gets faster because he is put on the wing. How do you teach someone to use their pace when they change positions? Why wasnt he using his pace on the HBF if he had any? So is he another of our quick players? Jeez , some of our players are getting around in disguise, making out they are slow but are actually quick......In one forum page they have gone from plodders to the quickest team in the land........

Well he is quick Bill. That is a fact. You just have to look at his draft videos and his combine testing and it will tell you.

The issue is, whenever he gets the footy, instead of using his space he stops and props.

I'm not sure whether getting him up the ground would make him want to use his assets a bit more but maybe being under less pressure and having more pace might get him taking the game on a bit.

Instead of carrying on like a peanut have a look through his draft profiles.

"Coffield tested as one of the fastest players in the draft pool with a sub-three second 20m sprint time."

 

[Premium]

Would'nt say it made them look fast. Those 2 you mentioned are 2 of the most skilful players who ever got on the park who were brilliant handballers. The general topic is a player who has a either a quick burst of speed or who can maintain good ground speed for the majority of a game. Two differnt things altogether.

I realize that but if you plant it on the chest of a player constantly it should get from A to b a hell of lot quicker , Gawn tap , Oliver handball , Petrecca kick you couldn't get any faster play.

 

[bird_man]

But there mids are like Usain Bolt - Viney , Brayshaw , Oliver , Pettracca , Langdon , Harmes they might want Dunstan for outside run he could most probably keep up to them.

All teams look fast when they win.

Melbourne are running hot and I expect them to win the flag but having 4 or 5 quick players in the team doesn't make them quick.
Bullen , Spargo , Salem , Bowey , Pickett (no game changes here except Pickett)- what makes them quick is there midfield win the ball and create overlap - beat them in clearance's it will be a different matter.

● Ranked 1st in Team to Opponent Hitouts Per Game Diff.
● Ranked 1st in Tackles Per Game
● Ranked 1st in Hitouts Per Game
● Ranked 2nd in Inside 50s Per Game
● Ranked 4th in Clearances Per Game
● Ranked 3rd in Kicks Per Game
● Ranked 3rd in Disposals Per Game

To me Oliver the game changer for them
● Ranked 1st in Total Contested Possessions
● Ranked 1st in Total Stoppage Clearances
● Ranked 6th in Total Effective Disposals
● Ranked 2nd in Total Clearances
● Ranked 4th in Total Centre Clearances

Then add on Petracca
● Ranked 7th in Total Contested Possessions
● Ranked 7th in Total Clearances ● Ranked 11th in Total Time On Ground %
● Ranked 5th in Total Centre Clearances

and of Gawn

Spot on Premo.