List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

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13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


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List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[bird_man]

Where do we play Coffield?

Are we going to go through the whole side?

Coff is probably battling for a spot against Highmore at the moment. He hasn't shown he can play the role of a running defender unfortunately.

Hind would take Hills spot on the back flank. Hind is a much better defender. Hill had some good games when we got the footy in his hands but is a liability as a defender unfortunately.

Honestly, anyone that genuinely thinks Hind wouldn't get a game in our side is a fool.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Hw many times during the naughties dis you think to yourself, gee I wish we had two Riewoldts. Well we can get our wish.

I'll counter 2 x roos with a Locket and a Loewe

 

[Tyrian Lonestar]

I heard that they had pretty much promised him the job then a whole lot of various interests threatened a spill and they shat themselves and decided on a "process". I think Lyon just started to realise he'd climbed into a snake pit of idiots and scrambled back out. Carlton coaching gigs look good from a distance but they have so many stupid people with a lot of clout that it's never a good place to land.

Caaarlton, ever the entitled mob

 

[Joffaboy]

Danny Sexton just got promoted

Trout and the Pelican has returned?

 

[Bill Mohr]

Are we going to go through the whole side?

Coff is probably battling for a spot against Highmore at the moment. He hasn't shown he can play the role of a running defender unfortunately.

Hind would take Hills spot on the back flank. Hind is a much better defender. Hill had some good games when we got the footy in his hands but is a liability as a defender unfortunately.

Honestly, anyone that genuinely thinks Hind wouldn't get a game in our side is a fool.

Correct, You can always play 2 good half back flankers in the one team- no problem at all ( I dont include Hill) It will be a watershed moment for Coffield in 2022 and probably a couple of others.

 

[bird_man]

To be honest and this is my 2 cents, I think the style of game we play impacted how we use him with Ratten.

under Richo that last season. We went that Melbourne style of numbers around and behind the ball and tried to slingshot.

makes it easier to play a smaller tall like battle at CHB.
Ratten/Rath have us playing a very attacking style, where we openly encourage players to cheat a contest to run forward.

that means you need to win 1:1s to get the ball back. Hurts Battle as he would be standing a Tom Lynch as an example without support.
So they have opted to use him as a link on the wing or a high half forward as a mismatch for the opposition and try to use Battles tank as a strength.

That would be understandable if we didn't have to use Wilkie as a key defender. Wilkie is almost an inch shorter than Battle.

He's probably better in that role for the short term but I think if we had have chosen to develop Battle similarly to how Sydney have with MacCartin we may have seen some good results.

I could be wrong obviously, but right now I think a key defender is still one of our biggest needs for this list.

 

[Joffaboy]

I'll counter 2 x roos with a Locket and a Loewe

Yes true, but a slightly different era and Roo could play both back and foreward with a huge tank. Roo also had Kosi, but couldn't play like Roo.

Maybe I'm going a bit overboard thinking the Kings are like Roo. Different player types.

 

[Joffaboy]

Are we going to go through the whole side?

Coff is probably battling for a spot against Highmore at the moment. He hasn't shown he can play the role of a running defender unfortunately.

Hind would take Hills spot on the back flank. Hind is a much better defender. Hill had some good games when we got the footy in his hands but is a liability as a defender unfortunately.

Honestly, anyone that genuinely thinks Hind wouldn't get a game in our side is a fool.

Where does Highmore play? Thats the point. We lost Hind because he was going to be behind a few. He is not better than Sinclair, Coffield or even Highmore. We would not be a better team with him.

 

[Saintbloke]

Coff CHF?? Time to think left field.

 

[stavro#4]

Does world Soccer have a Salary cap?
To get something really big in AFL you have to give up something.
Do you think it didn't cost Sydney big time to get Buddy?

Financial fair play is ****ing with a lot of clubs. Plus Real Madrid and Barcelona are shadows of themselves now with the salary cap in play at La liga.

Hw many times during the naughties dis you think to yourself, gee I wish we had two Riewoldts. Well we can get our wish.

I always imagined one on the wing and one up forward. Then I’d wake up just before the siren went in the granny. Mess in my pants.

That would be understandable if we didn't have to use Wilkie as a key defender. Wilkie is almost an inch shorter than Battle.

He's probably better in that role for the short term but I think if we had have chosen to develop Battle similarly to how Sydney have with MacCartin we may have seen some good results.

I could be wrong obviously, but right now I think a key defender is still one of our biggest needs for this list.

I agreed it’s a huge need. Just not sure Battle fills that need.
If we don’t get a Talia or a Tarrant. He might be the best alternative we have.

 

[bird_man]

Where does Highmore play? Thats the point. We lost Hind because he was going to be behind a few. He is not better than Sinclair, Coffield or even Highmore. We would not be a better team with him.

Yes we would. As I said, he's a better option than Hill he spent the 2nd half of the year there because he's also a good defender.

If Coff is good enough he gets a game, same with Highmore.

We have plenty of 3rd tall options right now, especially if we find a key defender in place of Wilkie.

I think whether we can play all of Wilkie, Highmore and Coffield in that role is a different discussion though.

I'm not sold that works.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yes we would. As I said, he's a better option than Hill he spent the 2nd half of the year there because he's also a good defender.

If Coff is good enough he gets a game, same with Highmore.

We have plenty of 3rd tall options right now, especially if we find a key defender in place of Wilkie.

I think whether we can play all of Wilkie, Highmore and Coffield in that role is a different discussion though.

I'm not sold that works.

Disagree. No he is not. You are overselling Hind like crazy

 

[gringo2011]

Where do we play Sinclair if we had Hind?

Elite midfielder.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Financial fair play is ******* with a lot of clubs. Plus Real Madrid and Barcelona are shadows of themselves now with the salary cap in play at La liga.

I always imagined one on the wing and one up forward. Then I’d wake up just before the siren went in the granny. Mess in my pants.

I agreed it’s a huge need. Just not sure Battle fills that need.
If we don’t get a Talia or a Tarrant. He might be the best alternative we have.

I'd take Talia but I know where I'm really looking.

Matthew Allison - 196 cm, sub 3 second for the 20 metre sprint and 6.17 for the 2km time trial.

So a taller faster more athletic version of Josh Battle.

 

[gringo2011]

It’s the the most used tactic in world soccer.
The big clubs launch these types of campaigns in the media 12-18 months before a player actually joins.

plus, I bet you had no issue with the amount of pandering we did to Roo during his career.

we are talking about 2 generational talents at the club. I don’t think we have ever had 2. We had Lockett. We had Roo.

but never 2 locketts or 2 Rooeys.
Imagine in 04-10. One Rooey at half forward and the other deep. Sharman and Membrey legit become one on one threats. Higgins Butler Gresham get to run amok and have to worry about ensuring they are applying pressure for most of their deep 50 ball and Not worrying about when they get their next meal as there are 2 big talks that will attract so much attention that they just need to be at the fall of the ball half the time.

It sounds like we are removing the annoying midfield and going to play a team of forwards.

 

[gringo2011]

As I’ve already said. There would have to be something monumental that occurs for him to leave this off-season.

ambassador payments. Suns needing to show they are legit andtrying to play finals in 2022 etc.

What I think will happen…

They’ll miss finals next year.
dew will get sacked
King and a few others leave
They poach Clarko and pretty much they rebuild again. But they have the GOAT of the modern era leading this rebuild. Probably have half the top 10 picks next year.

What if they make finals and we drop off?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Are we going to go through the whole side?

Coff is probably battling for a spot against Highmore at the moment. He hasn't shown he can play the role of a running defender unfortunately.

Hind would take Hills spot on the back flank. Hind is a much better defender. Hill had some good games when we got the footy in his hands but is a liability as a defender unfortunately.

Honestly, anyone that genuinely thinks Hind wouldn't get a game in our side is a fool.

So the player that we drafted as a flanker who may be able to make midfield, can now only play as a third rate , short, tall defender.

If that's true, he's a washout, time to cut our losses.


This is what we drafted.
------------------------------
STRENGTHS

• Athleticism
• Work in tight spaces/evasiveness
• Efficiency
• Versatility
• Leadership

Coffield tested as one of the fastest players in the draft pool with a sub-three second 20m sprint time. Add to that his sizable vertical leap, 190cm frame and strong hands, and you have a ready-made AFL athlete. The most promising thing about Coffield is that he combines his athletic traits with a high-level football IQ, which has inevitably seen him draw comparisons to Scott Pendlebury.

Like the Collingwood skipper, Coffield provides a cool head amidst the mayhem of stoppages, weaving his way through traffic and turning on dimes. His clearance work has improved out of sight this year and more midfield time has really aided that side of his game. And with one of the most accurate kicks in the TAC Cup this season, Coffield’s efficiency has seen him stand out even more as clubs at the top level try to claim the best ball users.

Draft prospects: Nick Coffield

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ESPN's AFL draft expert Christopher Doerre - aka Knightmare - casts his eye over the players who impressed in the junior competitions. Who boosted their draft stocks?

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[Bill Mohr]

Yes we would. As I said, he's a better option than Hill he spent the 2nd half of the year there because he's also a good defender.

If Coff is good enough he gets a game, same with Highmore.

We have plenty of 3rd tall options right now, especially if we find a key defender in place of Wilkie.

I think whether we can play all of Wilkie, Highmore and Coffield in that role is a different discussion though.

I'm not sold that works.

Wilkie Howard Webster

Coffield Highmore Sinclair


cant find room for battle, Clav, Paton or Allison

 

[bird_man]

Disagree. No he is not. You are overselling Hind like crazy

I'm surprised anyone would argue that to be honest.

Hind is clearly a much better defender than Hiill, who is a liability in a one on one

 

[gringo2011]

Yes true, but a slightly different era and Roo could play both back and foreward with a huge tank. Roo also had Kosi, but couldn't play like Roo.

Maybe I'm going a bit overboard thinking the Kings are like Roo. Different player types.

I guess it would be more like Kennedy and Darling. There are only so many forward 50 entries, converting more than you miss makes a huge difference but Kosi was used as a deep forward target to pull the play in around him which left room out wide for Rooey to run free.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Disagree. No he is not. You are overselling Hind like crazy

What has Hill been doing at the Saints that's remarkably better than what Hind has been doing at the Bombers.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I'm surprised anyone would argue that to be honest.

Hind is clearly a much better defender than Hiill, who is a liability in a one on one

Can't believe we're back to Hind.

Longer v Hickey was more entertaining.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I guess it would be more like Kennedy and Darling. There are only so many forward 50 entries, converting more than you miss makes a huge difference but Kosi was used as a deep forward target to pull the play in around him which left room out wide for Rooey to run free.

Kosi was very lucky to have Schneider and Milne yappin round his ankles.

 

[Bill Mohr]

That would be understandable if we didn't have to use Wilkie as a key defender. Wilkie is almost an inch shorter than Battle.

He's probably better in that role for the short term but I think if we had have chosen to develop Battle similarly to how Sydney have with MacCartin we may have seen some good results.

I could be wrong obviously, but right now I think a key defender is still one of our biggest needs for this list.

McCartin has always been a good mark from day 1 that is the difference.

 

[CaptainRisky]

WTF ,, Just in case you cant remember Hind has left the building