List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Aside from the midfield, we're pretty desperate for another high quality tall forward and key defender. duck

It’s why I think our 2023 1st should be on the table to give us 2 x top 10 this year
Eg. Tsatsas/Ryan and Lemmey/Scully

 

[Viva la Mattner]

It’s going to be more unlikely than likely we’ll get Keeler cheaply
Absolute typical farce… year it changes we lose out

Swear that John Reid did a deal with the devil for 97/98 and we’re cursed haha

 

[Mego Red]

It’s going to be more unlikely than likely we’ll get Keeler cheaply
Absolute typical farce… year it changes we lose out

Swear that John Reid did a deal with the devil for 97/98 and we’re cursed haha

I thought Keeler wasn't having a very good year?

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[Canuck_Crow]

Alex Witherden coming off a badly broken leg and no football at all in his draft year would have been a brave selection. Didn't test at the Combine.

Jye Caldwell very similar with numerous serious hamstring issues in both his underage year and top age year, so virtually no football in his draft year. Of his 3 games for the Bendigo Pioneers 2 he didn't complete off with a hamstring and his one and only Vic Country game at the Nationals he lasted about 5 minutes before he pinged his hammy again. Again recruiters had to take plenty into consideration and would have had to put a big emphasis on his dominant U16's season. Did not test at the Combine.

Holland's coming off a preseason ACL so no top age football and did not test.

what I am getting at is that our current system isnt working and by just by using a simple formula we would have better results than anything we are currently doing. you are absolutely right these would be huge risks, and I am not advocating for exactly this formula, what I am advocating for is a better system that results in better players. besides last years draft you would have to say our drafting of first round players currently is C- at best. sure people might come on, but right now they are all middling players.

 

[Canuck_Crow]

You've got 2 half backs there and a small forward, so only 2 mids in your selections.

I'd also take Jones over Cladwell with what they have produced so far, and Thilthorpe over Hollands on output so far (though, I am a big Hollands fan), plus Rachelle is well head of Ward.

The issue is it's not all about performance in their first year, it's about who will be the better player on projection. The computer picks Ebert and SPP over Dangerfield and Bolton due to their greater physical development as kids.

Essentially what you are suggesting is what Binuk has been recruited for, so we are doing that, but doing it with the subjective/expert assessment too.

All of the players that i mentioned were classified as midfielders in their draft year according to Callum. They may have gone into different spots but the thought experiment was to grab players who played mainly in the middle in their draft year.

if you break down each pick you will always find better players, what I was getting at was a broader approach that results in more consistent hits. and you will end up missing out on some players but overall you will be more successful. I am promoting a thought that it can be done differently. because god knows its not currently working. as i mentioned else where I dont know exactly what system to use, but i wanted to demonstrate that by using a simple process you could end up with better results. I dont have the time but you could also look at just drafting the player with the most goals in his draft year. these are simply rudimentary examples, but they end up with better results overall than our specialized recruiters, for first round picks.

On Binuk, according to his Linkedin profile he has been apart of the club for four years. would you say that has been successful? and would you say that the club has picked players that differ from the types of people hammish would normally pick ? because to my eye the club hasnt changed its drafting philosophy at all in the past 4 years, we continue to get players that fit the hammish mold (try hard, small midfielders, low footy IQ, low skillset, good runners) maybe that will change with Taylor, Parnell and rachelle but only time will tell

 

[glengowan]

I’ve only seen one game live and some glimpses on TV, but Nigel Lockyer from North looks supremely talented as a mid-sized leaping forward. Would pay money to watch him and McAdam leaping for the ball each week.

 

[MarcusP2]

Aside from the midfield, we're pretty desperate for another high quality tall forward and key defender. duck

Thats what happens when you fail at talent ID and development as we should already have those (we drafted KPPS at pick 6 and 12 and traded one in on a 4 year deal FFS).

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[George Kramer]

It’s going to be more unlikely than likely we’ll get Keeler cheaply
Absolute typical farce… year it changes we lose out

Swear that John Reid did a deal with the devil for 97/98 and we’re cursed haha

I’ve always said that

 

[Carmo]

It’s going to be more unlikely than likely we’ll get Keeler cheaply
Absolute typical farce… year it changes we lose out

Swear that John Reid did a deal with the devil for 97/98 and we’re cursed haha

Tell Keeler not to nominate until next year.

 

[DJ75]

Tell Keeler not to nominate until next year.

Tell Keeler we will guarantee to pick him if his form drops off and he has a bit of off field trouble

 

[Kezza86]

It’s going to be more unlikely than likely we’ll get Keeler cheaply
Absolute typical farce… year it changes we lose out

Swear that John Reid did a deal with the devil for 97/98 and we’re cursed haha

He’s not even ranked in the 10 SA prospects for this season. Not even playing senior footy yet unless in the last couple of weeks. Crows will get him. They will be loading up on talent via trade period with Luka this year and have a look at JHF next year.

 

[D Style]

It’s why I think our 2023 1st should be on the table to give us 2 x top 10 this year
Eg. Tsatsas/Ryan and Lemmey/Scully

Don't hold out hope for us using 2 x top 10 picks this year - Likely 1 or both for a sniff at JHF or Luko coming home

 

[hey shorty]

I thought Keeler wasn't having a very good year?

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He isn't really, I'm not sure where that particular poster got his opinion from.

That said, he's at the wrong club for promoting youth too. Keeler would be a 2nd rounder at best currently and needs a good champs

 

[Jeffcrowe]

So if we went the KPD path, who are the options for the MSD?


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Durdin pass

Ballenden maybe

Not many others

 

[Jeffcrowe]

He isn't really, I'm not sure where that particular poster got his opinion from.

That said, he's at the wrong club for promoting youth too. Keeler would be a 2nd rounder at best currently and needs a good champs

Keeler Kicked 3 and was leading goalkicker in the SA internal trial last week

Barnett was best on ground

 

[hey shorty]

Keeler Kicked 3 and was leading goalkicker in the SA internal trial last week

Barnett was best on ground

Which is fine, but I think there's better options than he in the SA setup alone.

Barnett I really like

 

[Vitalogy]

Mutaz El Nour - apparently you're a sniff: 'Long levers', big dreams: Sudanese star on footy, family and hope

 

[DaKids]

Mutaz El Nour - apparently you're a sniff: 'Long levers', big dreams: Sudanese star on footy, family and hope

Thank you that was good watching. Nice young man

 

[CrowHop]

Durdin pass

Ballenden maybe

Not many others

Cheers Jeff


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[DJ75]

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Mutaz El Nour - apparently you're a sniff: 'Long levers', big dreams: Sudanese star on footy, family and hope

Seems like a good lad. Hope he gets picked up and achieves his dream.
Not sure he plays in a position of need for us though.

 

[ams4crows]

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Seems like a good lad. Hope he gets picked up and achieves his dream.
Not sure he plays in a position of need for us though.

We do have two picks you never know we might be looking at him and Turner the Glenelg lad

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Surely we just take the best 2 players we think have the most upside, based on talent rather than position.

We are not contending for finals, so we don't need experienced depth, rather the best available young talent to build our list.

 

[hey shorty]

Surely we just take the best 2 players we think have the most upside, based on talent rather than position.

We are not contending for finals, so we don't need experienced depth, rather the best available young talent to build our list.

Parnell was a bit of a bolt from the blue and certainly not the most ready to play type.

Hopefully we do that again.

 

[DJ75]

Surely we just take the best 2 players we think have the most upside, based on talent rather than position.

We are not contending for finals, so we don't need experienced depth, rather the best available young talent to build our list.

True, but if we could do that in a position of need as well, then it's even better.
We don't need more small defenders, half back flankers or slow small forwards

 

[Danger in Texas]

Parnell was a bit of a bolt from the blue and certainly not the most ready to play type.

Hopefully we do that again.

He did get linked to us a little pre-draft, not nearly as much as a guy like Ollie Davis though